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Being in Virginia I've gotten to see a lot of Logan Thomas. He is a specimen but my opinion is that he does not have fire in his belly. I was always waiting for him to take over games and more often than not, it never materialized. Just another guy. Kinda womp womp.
Not sure if we're looking at him for QB or some other position.
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I find it hard to believe that any Colts fan into football enough to have even heard of this guy, doesn't also know that he does not have the tools necessary to play in our Defense.
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Right and he could have learned to drop back but at 32 at that time it was more beneficial to him to let him walk and go to a team that was going to have him go forward pass rushing instead of dropping back and holding containment on 1st and 2nd down
So was Jerry Hughes.
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I hope your right, But Sam is clearly a talented pas rusher
As was Dwight Freeney.
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Cool deal.
Like I said, I disagree.
"Et Nos Dissentire"
We both disagree.
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both Freeney and Hughes could flip there hips and were athletic enough to drop back, They lacked spacial awareness...Thats because they almost always went forward instead of backward or side to side, Grigson spent a 1st last year on a player who is a bit tight in the hips....Not as much as Sam but he is clearly stil tight in the hips on tape, the difference is Werner did stand up and drop back some in college, Werner showed a few times he can make plays going side to side dropping back but that was off of play recognition and he didn't have to travel out far to do it
I'm not sure you even know the point you are attempting to make there. Nevertheless, Grigson isn't drafting a less talented pure pass rusher when he dumped two guys who were more talented pure pass rushers.
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I'd love it if we picked up Asomoah or Saffold. But I'd be happier with a quality Center.
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I think you know very well how uninformed some people are about what the Colts do on defense. And it's not surprising that people would be less than familiar with the skill set of a college prospect. What has happened as a result of the media attention is that more people know his name, which leads to more discussion about him. That's different, though, from people just wanting the Colts to be the ones to draft him.
When a player is receiving extraordinary attention based on something other than his football skills, that doesn't translate into discussions in favor of drafting him based on football skills.
That doesn't even make sense.
However, what Balzer40 said does make sense.
And I think most Colts fans know what we run scheme-wise. I think most Colts fans know this guy does not have the skill-set required to operate in our system. I think most Colts fans know that both Dwight Freeney and Jerry Hughes are better players than this guy and they know we showed them both the door. Therefore it would make absolutely no sense to draft him based on his skill-set.
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I can see the Colts drafting him actually, Would I do it? No....He wont ever be able to flip his hips and drop back but I could see Grigson drafting him for his quick first step, I'd say Grigson could trade down to the 4th to get him...But if he did I strongly believe there will be better players available
Grigson sent Freeney and Hughes packing but he is going to spend a pick on a guy who is distinctly less talented than either of them but with the exact same skill set. ;)
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My initial post was in response to Balzer's claim that the reason he keeps coming up on this board is because some Colts fans want their team to pick the first openly gay player. That's what I disagree with...
If he both does not fit our system (your position) and is projected as a mid to late round selection (the consensus from all legitimate talent evaluators), then why is he receiving the extra attention (your position) here?
The only explanations I see are either our users are uninformed about our system of defense & this player's skill set OR Balzer40's assertion is correct.
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ok then I was wrong.
Not wrong. Just wasn't understanding what the argument was. You're right in that many times, a pure listing doesn't mean a lot.
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Thoughts on him going to the Texans?
I cannot remember if it was Mayock or not but I heard someone say he does not fit the kind of OLB description that the Texans employ in their defense.
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That doesn't really mean anything.
The original assertion was that Sidbury was picked up by the Colts has a pure pass rushing LB. He obviously was not. And where he was on the depth chart supports that fact.
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Didn't Maurice Clarrett, Christian Peter and Eric Crouch all have a great deal of attention coming out? Every year there a few late round prospects who receive attention for one reason or another. Would Sam be getting this kind of attention if he wasn't openly gay? No. But there are a number of players who receive publicity for reasons other than their ability.
Lets not forget catfish Manti Te'o
Both of your remarks are outside of the narrow scope of conversation that SuperMan and I am having. Nobody has asserted other players have not received an inordinate amount of attention from the media. We're talking about both the media and the Colts.com forums. And Chad you have again cited a player not taken in the 3rd round or later.
Perhaps you both should go back and read the exchanges between Balzer40, SuperMan and myself before making further comments regarding our remarks.
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Yeah, I disagree.
First of all, there was a thread about him after his news, and then there's this one. And it's being taken over by people complaining about him getting so much coverage, but the initial premise is that he's not a good prospect for our team. That's pretty much been it. He's not getting hype here. Some extra attention, yes, but mostly it's to the effect of what you see in this thread -- he doesn't fit our team, and at best he'd be a reserve pass rusher.
Secondly, there have been many late round prospects to get hype around here prior to the draft. I don't know how much time you spend here in the Draft section, but this is usually where they are.
I just disagree with the assertion that the people who have brought him up here have some kind of agenda as regards the Colts having a gay player.
There have been more than the two threads you’ve cited. With others having been locked or deleted.
Nobody said he was getting “Hype”. I said he was receiving extraordinary attention. You chose to term it as “Extra attention”. Therefore we agree.
I'm glad you agree that he does not fit our system.
I did not write that other late round prospects have not gotten “hype”…your word…prior to the draft. I said none of them have ever gotten the kind of extraordinary attention that this player has. And I am correct.
If you want to disagree with Balzer40’s assertion, or how you choose to characterize it, that is your decision. But in doing so you open the door to legitimate rebuttal. And I am not sure what other conclusions anyone could draw if they agree with you that he does not fit our system and is receiving extra attention.
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Tim Tebow did, except he got drafted in round 1.
So like I said, there has never been a 3rd rounder - Free Agent signing prospect that has gotten this much attention on this forum prior to the draft. ;)
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...it's not like every 3-4 OLB of today coming out of college had terrific pass rush skills as well as corner back - coverage ability. They were all tweaked and coached, so why can't the same happen to Sam?
Sams has NO coverage ability.
Not terrific. Not adequate. Not pedestrian. Not even CFLesque.
He cannot turn his hips around....that isn't coaching. That is physiology. He can't even turn them 45 degrees and deal with a quick up & out.
And "why not" is something less than an impressive perspective.
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I think anyone that can improve our pass rush has to be considered an option. I don't see how he's not a fit though since I've seen scouts say he's probably better suited as an OLB in a 3-4 scheme as opposed to DE in a 4-3
I have not seen a single "competent" source say he is better suited as a 3/4 OLB.
Not 1.
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Extraordinary attention where? From the media? You're absolutely right. They've covered him ad nauseum at the Combine, and it's primarily because of his announcement.
On this board, though? I disagree, for the reasons I stated before. People have mentioned Michael Sam here since well before the Senior Bowl.
From both.The nonsensical media coverage speaks for itself. As for here, there has never been a 3rd rounder - Free Agent signing prospect that has gotten this much attention on this forum prior to the draft.
Everrrrrrrrr. ;)
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He may be cut and available at a discount price..He and Mathis would be a scary combo next few years..
It's the offseason, and this is the kind of stuff we have to talk about. No need to bash thread for those who enjoy that type of thing..
I'd love to have him and I think he'd flourish in our system. I'd rather the Cowboys re-sign him at a relatively lower price than what he would probably get in the open market and then have us trade Angerer to them for him. Pat is a much better fit there then here.
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That's not true. Search the forum, especially the Draft section, and you'll see that his name had come up several times before he came out. And the answer then was pretty much the same as it is now -- he's a late round prospect that doesn't really have an ideal position in the NFL.
His name "coming up" before and the extraordinary attention this guy is getting right now is not the same.
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Tweener just means his body type is that of inbetween a DE and pass rushing OLB. Not really the archetype for either position.
Ehh yes, no. People use "tweener" when addressing skill sets as well. Just sounds to me like "Neither fish nor foul".
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Didn't see anyone talkin bout Montori Hughes last year
People talk about late round prospects here every year.
This issue though is a late round player that fits what we do. This Samms dude doesn't fit what we do unless we're intentionally drafting Special Teams talent in rounds 3 or 4. But even then you still try to prioritize guys who can fit your scheme.
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http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/14/5411014/nfl-draft-2014-michael-sam-tweener-scouting-report
While I'm on the subject, I wish the colts SB Nation Blog (the cesspool we know as Stampede Blue) was as awesome as the Seahawk's one is (FieldGulls).
Gonna check it out now.
Mel Kiper's take on how the Colts should approach the off-season.
in Colts Football
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That sounds good. Kiper is something less than the final authority on the draft in general and the Colts specifically, so I'll hold back my excitement. If Mayock said this, I'd be jumping for joy. But if what he says is true, then it is definitely good news for us.