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11 minutes ago, RollerColt said:
I guess I just feel that if Minshew was living up to his hype (all because of hair on his face) that the Eagles would've kept him.
His stats are decent. Very few turnovers, good completions and such. But even watching him when he was the starter for Jacksonville he just... didn't seem to have that killer instinct. That will to win....
Like all backups... he's just... meh...
I don't see it. I don't see how meh gets you a better chance than Richardson.
I guess my question is why do we think Richardson gave us a better chance to win? Especially in the small sample size that he didn't win any games?
If there is someone who is a big GM advocate on here, I haven't seen it. His limited by his arm strength and that's been clear since he came into the league.
In a good situation he can move the ball and has really low TO numbers for a career. He has 21 TOs including lost fumbles for a career of 38 games. That means almost 25% of his TOs for his career happened Sunday. That probably isn't likely to happen again.
But what has Richardson done on the field stat wise that makes anyone feel he was a better option for winning?
It must be feel stuff, because the results do not support that position as far as I can tell.I've NEVER personally thought of Minshew as anything but a fringe starter/backup guy.
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10 hours ago, OLD FAN MAN said:
if shane can use our main weapons in 2 back sets minshew can win for us , if shane can call the plays for a 2 running back set we can be unstoppable
Minshew turned it over 4 times. Doesn't really matter what sets we call if that happens.
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13 hours ago, compuls1v3 said:
Do you still have this take, or was the Jags just a bad game?
And I looked it up. This was an outlier for GM in the TO department. He has thrown 47 TDs v. 17 INTs in his career.
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21 hours ago, Superman said:
I didn't see this poll until today, and I voted decreased, but you can look at my history on Minshew and see that I've never been high on him.
I probably should have made 5 possible answers including slightly increases and slightly decreases. I'm not high on Minshew either. I just thought and still do think, he gives us a better chance of winning games this year by a slight margin.
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12 hours ago, compuls1v3 said:
Do you still have this take, or was the Jags just a bad game?
It was a really bad game from Minshew. That's for sure. He did finish and win the 3 games we won though.
I'd say if I had to yes Minshew still gives us a better chance of winning than AR would at this point. I thought he gave us a slightly better chance of winning and still do.
Although, there are some impressive signs from AR, he didn't really play very good QB over all, 45 QBR. Not that anyone expected that level, but some here inflated his contributions I think.
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1 hour ago, Breeze said:
I really like what I’ve seen from him in the pocket, and he’s nowhere near his ceiling. And without the designed run aspect, he’ll always have a great awareness in the pocket with tremendous escapability. You can also still have some designed runs and not put yourself in bad positions. His best runs garnered over 10 yards before contact. I’ll take 10 yards with a slide at the end any day. The question is whether he can learn to give up when it’s not there. Regardless, I think we give him more than 10 quarters before assessing his career trajectory.
But you are assessing his career trajectory lol.
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1 hour ago, Breeze said:
I really like what I’ve seen from him in the pocket, and he’s nowhere near his ceiling. And without the designed run aspect, he’ll always have a great awareness in the pocket with tremendous escapability. You can also still have some designed runs and not put yourself in bad positions. His best runs garnered over 10 yards before contact. I’ll take 10 yards with a slide at the end any day. The question is whether he can learn to give up when it’s not there. Regardless, I think we give him more than 10 quarters before assessing his career trajectory.
Agree on the sliding. I think the shoulder injury was in a called run too. It was totally shut down and he needs to give himself up in that case too. Even though it goes for no gain.
he feels the pocket pressure . But I don’t think he will ever be a good nfl QB without liberal use of the wheels. He doesn’t have the accuracy to be a pocket guy.
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3 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:
I think those 2 will be out of reach but for me it wouldnt be a hard decision. Im not in a hurry to get rid of AR and look for another qb either but if they were sitting there on the board i dont think i could pass.
Dont want to get too deep into this but i do wonder if AR could be a running back or WR. He would be tall and lanky for a RB
He’d be tall lol, but there ain’t nothing lanky about that dude lol.
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22 hours ago, danlhart87 said:
That's funny dude. IT did feel like that lol.
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34 minutes ago, Superman said:
I'm not as concerned as the majority of fans here seem to be, maybe that's a necessary qualifying statement. Some people are way overboard, IMO.
As for his health going forward, I said after the concussion game, he's going to learn his lesson, or he won't. He's been throwing his body around with reckless abandon, and I don't care who you are, that's going to cost you in the NFL. Especially as a QB, because defenders love to hit QBs, and because QBs have to judge whether to make a business decision or to try to make play. His judgment is skewed so far. Especially against the Titans, he just has to be more aware of the situation and where the defenders are.
I agree that he still has a lot to work on, and again, people are a little effusive in their praise so far. But what we've seen is that his ability will translate to the NFL, and that was one of the big question marks. I'm nowhere near as bearish on his ability to be an effective passer as you are, though.
I'm bearish on his ability to be an effective passer if he isn't using the wheels. I'm not bearish on him having a chance to be a good, possibly great, read-option/RPO QB. I am totally hibernating on what some here seem to suggest and that is having few if any designed runs for the kid. That won't work IMO. Not at all. He is not good enough of a dart player for that to work and I don't see him getting better enough at darts over guys that are already really good at throwing darts.
If he can run and stay healthy we might have something here. IF not. I don't see it at all.
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14 minutes ago, Superman said:
I think his inaccuracy is a little overblown. He'll never be Drew Brees, but he's also not Derek Anderson. Richardson has a higher baseline for being an accurate passer than Josh Allen did, IMO, based on what we've seen so far.
But I agree with the main point, which is if you're not going to weaponize his athletic ability then you're not going to get a high enough level of QB play.
I think completion percentage might be overblown. But his inaccuracy even when throwing on air at the combine to the boundary really struck me.
Teams would not pick a guy like him that high with that issue without the size and athleticism.
I like the way you put weaponize athletic ability.
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15 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
Also like Steichen said today they want to make sure this does not happen again which is why surgery might be the best option so he doesn’t hurt it again next season. Especially when he has had this injury before.
He has been more accurate then college BTW
Maybe, but a lot of people are conflating accuracy and completion percentage. They are not the same thing. One can have a very high completion percentage and still be an inaccurate passer.
There is no serious debate about this BTW. AR is and was inaccurate as a thrower of NFL footballs.
I've been a tepid advocate of doing the zone read thing like other teams are experimenting with again and liked some of what I saw with AR running it BTW.
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8 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
Are you serious? First of all they haven’t even run him that much. Second you don’t take a QB that high and try to make him something he isn’t. He will get it figured out.
Relax CHloe. Breathe in/ Breathe out.
YEs I'm serious. AR has played less than 3 games quarter wise and has 25 rushing attempts. That's almost 10 a game. That's a ton for a QB.
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6 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:
I will never critisize Ballard for picking Richardson. I felt that even if Stroud and Young were there, I would have picked AR. The one thing that sticks with me recently is this. Polian once said that he wants 3 years of tape on a player; especially qbs. Anthony only played 13 games. All of us used that to evaluate his game. I was listening to a Colts podcast, and this guy also loved AR. He said maybe if AR would have played 3 seasons, injuries may have been a big issue with him. I'm not going against the pick, but maybe further highlights the need for game film when making a pick this valuable. I think all of us saw a 250 athletic freak and it never really crossed our minds that he maybe the most brittle of the 3.
I don't really judge CFB guys coming into the NFL. It's hard and I don't watch much CFB anyway. But I do occasionally pay attention to what is being said.
So I don't necessarily criticize the team for picking the dude. In his brief appearances, it's clear that he has the raw tools and demeanor of a NFL QB.
But I do feel confident about this. AR will not be a good NFL player if he is made to play from the pocket and not have designed zone read type plays
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1 hour ago, Superman said:
Agreed. I would have never anticipated that he'd be concussed after being hit while crossing the goal line, at the end of a play in which he showed a glimpse of how special he is athletically. Just a fluke, but it doesn't happen if he has a greater understanding and respect for how fast NFL defenders are.
And while I'm concerned about his recovery from the shoulder injury, I'm not overly concerned about his durability. Anyone who gets pancaked like that has a strong chance of sustaining a serious injury. I'm more concerned about him underestimating how capable an NFL DL is of catching him from behind.
I was worried he might be overwhelmed by NFL speed and be unable to function, but that hasn't really been the case. There's just a few plays where he seems to rely on his superior athleticism, and that's not going to get him as far as it did in college.
Supe we were just discussing AR and injury. And sure enough, he has nowhere to go with two defenders, and goes down. He needed to give himself up there. Hopefully he learns that.
Now I get if you mean grand scheme kinda Zen not letting things "concern" you about anything in the unfeeling universe. That being said as a Colts fan I am not sure how one could be "unconcerned" with AR's health going forward since he has gotten injured in every NFL game he's played thus far and only finished one. They were all different injuries too.
I think I totally agree with your assessment of AR. He's getting all this praise about how "great" he's been and he's been less that starter material by most statistical measures. He currently has a 45 QBR according to ESPN, and one of the worst passer ratings of NFL starters.
He looks like a legit NFL player/starter, but other than that he looks just like he did in college. Flashes of incredible talent marred by inaccuracy. Still not sure about this kid going forward.
I don't see a pathway of him being any good though unless he's as running type of Hurts, Jackson, Newton type of guy
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1 hour ago, Superman said:
I don't think we'll ever know, because the Colts probably don't wind up with the #1 pick. But I stand by my statement.
Just listened to Schefter's comments, apparently he's hearing that the AR injury is slightly less serious than they expected at first, maybe a Grade 2, and doesn't necessarily require surgery. But I don't think they know for sure.
I also think there's a legitimate question about Richardson's ability to protect himself at NFL game speed, which might mean that we need to be more methodical about the way he gets used moving forward. I don't think he's ready to just have the offense put on his shoulders yet.
Yeah, me personally, if the club believes AR isn't going to be able to be a running QB and stay healthy ala Jalen Hurts so far, Newton for half a dozen years, LJ, then we need to move on and move on now.
There can't be a legitimate argument for a dude with that kind of inaccuracy becoming a pocket QB. He is going to be a running QB or he is not going to be a legit NFL starter IMO.-
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2 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
We aren't picking a QB no matter who is available, I can't see Ballard or Irsay giving up on AR after 1 season. Not only that, when he was in, he played well. More than likely we win 8 or 9 games and pick around 17th or so. By then, Williams, Maye, Penix, and Nix will all be gone anyway.
If Caleb Williams is available when we pick. We almost certainly pick him. You can trade AR for a decent return, and Williams is widely considered one of the best prospects at QB that has been seen.
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14 hours ago, chad72 said:
You are talking arm strength for the out routes on the opposite side of the field or down the field. I am talking which ones are more difficult to execute, not draftable traits.
The above article says:
Middle of the field passing, despite being the most efficient area of the field for an offense to pass into, can be difficult to execute as it may require the quarterback to hold onto the ball longer to get through progressions or be an area of the field where a safety is present.
This could be why Jalen Hurts, who wasn't farther along with his progressions in Year 2, wasn't making those seam throws in Year 2, it is not like he grew taller between Year 2 and Year 3. Drew Brees threw down the seams well too. That is also a reason why AR is starting, because the coaches felt he was farther along going through his progressions, IMO.
Tom Brady was not uber accurate down the field on long balls down the sidelines like a Russell Wilson or Carson Palmer, who both throw a pretty sideline and deep ball, so does Aaron Rodgers that is thrown more on a rope. Moss' catching radius helped with Brady's deep balls, more than his precision, he just got it in the vicinity. But down the seams, Brady was king, taking advantage of leading/throwing to Edelman and Gronk and his pass catching RBs so many times by navigating the pocket.
Well there’s more than arm strength involved.
Brady through fine to the boundaries. And every other throw.
And there is nothing in that article that suggests that the throw to the boundary is easier than the throw over the middle.
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2 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Meh. Context. I think others' persistent and almost giddy usage of the word WRONG to immediately label his opinions over the years has earned him the capital to use the word RIGHT when its later shown he was.
There is certainly been a liberal use of the word wrong on this site lol.
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17 hours ago, Superman said:
The Cardinals hired Kliff Kingsbury right after he got fired by Texas Tech, so yeah. A lot of times they wind up taking a year off, like Doug Pederson. But not always.
By the time he got fired, I was out on Reich as a HC, but he's still well respected around the league, and has ties to Carolina. Some people even though he was undermined by Irsay and Ballard, especially with the Jeff Saturday stuff. I wasn't surprised to see him get hired, but I didn't expect him to suddenly be a great HC. Still, kind of surprised it's been this shaky so far.
You watched any of them Supe? What’s going on over there?
I’m surprised at the record. I didn’t like Young’s height and in the couple games I watched he just looked like a typical BAMA QB carving up inferior defenses, but his numbers so far are as bad as it gets really.
Evidence supports Frank being kind to QBs. I wasn’t a huge supporter of FR overall, but his QBs outperformed themselves under FR. He’s been using vets not rooks though.
Not surprised a rookie would come in looking bad but it looks pretty bad on paper.
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12 hours ago, chad72 said:
See, normally not so polished passers struggle between the numbers. Hurts couldn't hit a seam route if his life depended on it the first 2 years. Then, Year 3, he was throwing dimes to Goedert and having A J Brown and DeVonta Smith outside definitely helped open up things underneath too.
I’m not sure if I agree with this. Like at all. The hardest throws to make are to the boundary. Seams are easier, more direct throws. Maybe Hurts struggled with it but that doesn’t necessarily that it’s harder to do for most. Hurts is short by NFL standards which would increase the difficulty by making it harder to find windows to throw through.
Do you have some evidence of that? I’ve never heard that before.
Traditionally, that was the determining factor if a player could be an NFL QB. Did he have the arm strength and accuracy to push the ball downfield to the boundary from the pocket.
12 hours ago, chad72 said:Compared to that, AR is ahead because the seams generally have more traffic that result in more INTs or concussions (ask Peyton's WRs/TEs) but that suits the "I am accurate when I can zip it to a spot" thrower like AR while the arc and trajectory has to take some off the zip throwing outside the numbers. AR can throw the fast ball well and thus he has been able to make some unbelievable throws between the numbers.
Yes AR has thrown some really nice balls down the middle.
But again man I part company. Throws to the boundary are sometimes floated but they also often need to be electric * rockets that arrive when the receiver opens up.
12 hours ago, chad72 said:He does though have the ability to make out of structure throws on the move to outside the numbers look easy like that throw to Josh Downs in the Titans game, that was really well thrown.
He’s pretty good outside the numbers on the move and often throws side Arm when he does and seems really accurate when throwing from the side.I’ve said in a post maybe it is not as necessary to hit those throws from the pocket with Next Gen QBs.
The jury is still hearing testimony on that one.
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This is when I would have started considering playing Richardson anyway. I am for developing AR when healthy at this point.
However, I think it's somewhat clear that Minshew is the more effective NFL QB right now and gives the team an increased chance of winning games right now.
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Do we have a better chance to win games this year with Minshew?
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5 hours ago, chad72 said:
He is effective because he is part of a "spread it around" concept. He is good but not Travis Kelce good that he manages to get open by reading Ds at a high level that he can demand more targets.
A couple more per game, maybe?? But if our bread and butter is going to be running, controlling clock and tempo and playing D, his target level is acceptable to me. If that is our game plan, there are only so many targets to go around. Snap increase first, targets next.
When AR plays again he struggles outside the numbers and will likely heavily target tight ends, throws he’s already good at.
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Well that's about what I think. And I wasn't talking for moving forward, I was just talking about that current time. Obviously the shoulder changes things.
I still don't think we are a very good FB team regardless of who is behind center right now. That being said though, there are a lot of bad FB teams right now, so I still think we have a chance, even this year.
Not if GM turns it over 4 times though lol. Man he had almost 25% of his total career TOs Sunday. That's kind of hard to believe.