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11 hours ago, NFLfan said:
I thought so too until I read the whole article. I will read it again after I am off from work.
The point was that QBs that run are not more likely to get injur d than those that don't.
But that’s because they are in the pocket something like 8 times more according to the first chart. It appears to show that the rate not the number but the rate is higher outside the pocket.
AR was drafted to run 10 times a game like Hurts and Jackson. Thats a lot of accumulated damage.
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1 hour ago, NFLfan said:
I found an article but it is long. It goes in depth about injuries. The author is a doctor in physical therapy and he said shoulder injuries are the most prevalent. I did not realize that. Anyway, here is the article.
https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/season/2021/mobile-quarterbacks-and-injury-rates#/
Am I missing something or doesn’t that article show that injuries outside the pocket at more than twice the rate of in the pocket injuries?
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4 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
Last night she reported he would get multiple opinions no matter what. This isn’t new need news.
If you look at QB injuries most happen in the pocket.
Pocket QBs don’t get the pounding running QBs do.
And so far I don’t believe any of Anthony’s injuries came in the pocket. If it is true that most QBs injuries are in the pocket iits because the great super majority of the time is spent in the pocket.
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50 minutes ago, SR711 said:
Good points and I agree with what you said.I guess my whole irritation with the read option stuff is that there is a lot of data, historical examples where teams that rely on those plays routinely in their offense usually end up with a dinged up QB and, subsequently, it’s hard for the offense to be effective and thrive.
Off hand Jalen Hurts is only example I can think of and he’s only in beginning of his 3rd year starting.
Kaepernick is another one I guess, but IIRC he was also missing a decent number of games towards the end of his run there at SF.
Jalen Hurts is the model. Other guys have done this with success for a time, LJ, Kap, Wilson, Tebow, and the best example is Super Bowl QB Cam Newton. But there is clearly no evidence and long term success with read option guys. But I’d take 5 or 6 competitive years and a SB appearance, Ala Newton from Arich wouldn’t you?
but if he doesn’t learn to protect he won’t last that long.
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3 hours ago, Myles said:
AR has missed a lot of time
That’s about 2 TDs per game.When you watch Minshew, the passing game is clearly more efficient as as a passer, just as the passer rating suggests. The offense opens a little. AR is a little less in QBR so the overall play is closer.
AR has not been great. He’s been encouraging in ways. His numbers are OK, his play is OK. He really struggles outside the numbers. He throws over the middle well. He moves and runs well but so far plays recklessly and gets hurts.
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7 hours ago, SR711 said:
1) Its unlikely that he needs surgery if its only an AC sprain. Xrays would've indicated a more severe type of injury for which surgery would be necessary. However, the MRI will tell if the ligaments are torn and/or if there is any other soft tissue injury involving the shoulder joint. If its AC sprain requiring no surgery, my best guess is that he is out 2-4 weeks.
2) Do not, without exception, put AR back on the field until he is absolutely pain free throwing a football with all throws. We do not as a franchise or fanbase need a repeat of the Andrew Luck 2015 season which altered his career.
3) At the risk of belaboring a point, no more read option plays in this offense. If Richardson busts a run off a broken pass play, fine. However, its pretty clear that using him as a RB is going to lead to problems long term. If he can't be developed into a guy that can win throwing the football (which BTW I absolutely think he can), then we drafted the wrong guy anyways.
To the bolded, he was drafted to be a read option/RPO QB. I don’t see him being good unless he is.
He’s got to grow up quick, stop playing this man’s game like a kid with “enthusiasm” and all that nonsense, learn techniques and times to get tackled less violently.
Yesterday was a great example. No where to go, go down on your own terms.
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Just now, Narcosys said:
This things hurt bad. I've done it to both my shoulders. The pain can hit you in waves.
I did that doing a back hand spring way past my prime lol. Waves of heat went through my body. I could see passing out from it.
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25 minutes ago, kymd82222 said:
Yeah, I think Minshew might get another shot as a starter somewhere else at some point. I'm sure he wants another shot at it, so I don't see him signing an extension to be a backup. He's better than at least 10 starters out there in my opinion. I don't think he will ever be a career starter, though. His ceiling is only so high, so he's never going to lead a team to a Super Bowl, and that's the problem. At some point teams move on from him.
I’m surprised he’s not starting. He’s decent. Limited but decent.
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9 hours ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:
Imo, too many fans worry about money that isn't theirs over acquiring/keeping talent and playmakers.
In the NFL the pool of money is finite and pretty defined. So “worrying about money that isn’t” mine is the same as worrying about “acquiring/keeping talent and playmakers.”
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13 hours ago, Indianapolis-Colts-Fan said:
under thrown because of the hit. It wasn’t an ill advised throw as there is no way to know where darnold is. AR was trying to make a throw with his eyes down field because he felt the pressure. If you take his attention off down field, then he stops being the player you hope him to be, and becomes too worried about the chaos directly around him. It’s elite because he feels the pocket, and got the pass off to a WR that was going to be open by the time the ball got there. Alec had his man beat which was why the pass was being thrown, and which was also why the CB was holding Alec’s arm back. All which wouldn’t have been seen, if AR was SEEING the chaos around him, vs FEELING it.
everything that happened there is showing us signs of how legit AR actually is.
there are a lot of ifs. If the CB didn’t trip. If speed didn’t commit a penalty. If our players weren’t injured. If AR didn’t fumble. If Shane didn’t go for it on 4th and 7. And the ravens fans were doing the same thing after their loss to us. It makes no difference. It is what it is. AR Got the ball out with enough power, the CB fell, and Alec caught the ball regardless of all that.
AR looks Ok so far.
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8 hours ago, Superman said:
To the bolded, I don't understand how you could possibly see it this way. From the opening two minutes of each presser, they're totally different.
JT: [walks up to the podium and looks around, waiting for someone to talk, takes a sip of water]
Q: 'JT, I guess I'll start, do you want to be a Colt?'
JT: 'First of all, it feels good to be healthy...' [30 seconds of talking about being healthy, never addressing the question that was asked]
So if you wanted that to be the first thing out of your mouth, why'd you stand up there and not say anything, when everyone was giving you the opportunity to make your opening remark?
In contrast, Ballard's presser.
Ballard: [about a minute of standard stuff about the roster, and then...] 'All right, now let's address the elephant.... It sucks for the Colts, for the fans, and for Jonathan.... We're going to work through it and try to repair the relationship.... Did we give him permission to seek a trade, yes we did.... I'm not just going to let him walk out of the building, I'm going to do what's right for the Colts....
How is this the same approach in your mind? Or what about when asked if they could have done something differently?
Ballard
Q: 'Do you think you could have done more to resolve this?'
Ballard: 'I feel like I've been honest with him.... I'm sure both sides would have done some things differently.'
JT
Q: 'If you could do it all over again, would you change anything?'
JT: 'Everything I've done to get healthy I would do the exact same.' [proceeds to ignore the questioner trying to clarify the question while giving an answer that everyone in the room knows is off topic]
I could keep going... But we're probably never going to agree on this, and that's fine. But I don't think it's because I'm closed minded, or because I had improper expectations.
He’s gonna be president some day lol.
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1 hour ago, Stephen said:
For Reed Alex Smith had a career year so there was no need to start mahomes right away
But I think he’s opposed to it philosophically.
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On 10/3/2023 at 5:59 PM, Stephen said:
I'd rather have davonta adams than Higgins. Adam's rout running is much better. Higgins would be like having two pittmans.
Yep there is no reason to have both of those guys on the same team at the same time with the money each will earn.
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6 minutes ago, Solid84 said:
Needs more proof!
Solid I don't want you leaving your woman and everything else behind to come seek me out in my skirt and bloomers, but I will say it's a life changing experience.
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28 minutes ago, Superman said:
LOL, all he's done so far is speak into a microphone.
By the way, I'm hopeful that he plays soon, and plays well. I've never been upset with him, even though I think his strategy was ill conceived. I'm not unhappy. I just think his presser was bogus.
Ditto. Don't do pressers, but they generally are bogus anyway. Lip service. I never had that skill or at least I never had the willingness to practice that skill.
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5 minutes ago, Superman said:
Yes, that's what he could do. No question that the Colts would pursue a grievance if he did, though.
And sadly, there's no question that he'd get offers in free agency. I don't believe for a second that teams would stay away. Assuming the Colts decided not to tag him.
I'd like to be a fly on the wall of the owners' meeting. They might need to stand together on this or they will lose a lot if not all the advantage they have over players. (And for the record, I think owners have a disproportionate amount of power over rookie contract guys.) JT could undermine just about everything in the collective bargaining agreement with this if he'd pull it off.
I was incredulous when this started when I realized that he was serious and didn't see the writing on the wall with RB contracts, etc. I know denial is a powerful sometimes all omnipotent phenomenon even in very smart people like JT.
But I was like come on dude.
I really think JT might think of himself as a sort of Savior/Martyr for RB contracts. I guess I am in denial of a dude like him being that far in fairy land if not. The funny thing to me about this martyrdom though it's goofy.
More money for RBs means less money for other positions with the finite dollars under a cap system.I don't know I guess he's a martyr for RBs not the union lol.
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20 minutes ago, DougDew said:
I don't know how we all should be, but a lot of us like to have discussions based upon the facts or the reasonable interpretation of the facts we have, and that leads to nonpositive comments...because that's reality.
Your comment is suggesting that we should come to the forum to be uplifted, as if it exists to function like a Sunday Church Choir.
I like talking ball. There are some here I enjoy talking ball with whom share a lot of my views, and there are some here that I enjoy talking ball with that do not.
I have no interest in joining the cheerleading squad even though I look really good in a mini skirt and bloomers.
Cheerleaders who enjoy themselves I have no issue with at all. Enjoy.
Militant cheerleaders I be like
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5 minutes ago, Superman said:
I'm fine with you being happy, and anyone else who wants to join you.
How dare you not share the happiness?
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7 hours ago, Stephen said:
The qbs that sit are usually because they can't handle the adversity of being in the fire right away. Richardson has shown he can handle adversity. You don't sit a guy that shows that.
i don't think Reed sat Mahomes for that reason. As a matter of fact I think that he has said he would never go into a season starting a rookie QB. It's only very recently that many QBs have started right away.
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4 hours ago, BeanDiasucci said:
Frank has had success but I wonder if his coaching and concepts have fallen behind where the league is now. He seemed to be talking about a run-first approach to set up the passing game offense after that was out of vogue. And I wonder how much influence he had in the Colts picking big strong receivers instead of more dynamic ones. I don't think they'd have Josh Downs if he was still here and I'd bet the wr core will change and improve in the years ahead.
Don't you think the improvement in the offensive game plan and execution with the change in coaching has been apparent? Wouldn't Richardson be less effective in Frank's offense?
I like what I've seen so far from SS. Game plans I'm not sure, I like some of the stuff I've seen, but game plans usually effect the 1st half more than the 2nd and we've done most of our damage late other than the Texans game. Scheme sure. The running QB is the most difficult thing to account for when playing defense.
People seem to gloss over the fact that Frank's teams that weren't led by Matt Ryan were good offenses. Even the Jacoby year we averaged 23 points. Point being I am not overly impressed by our offense this year. It's been OK. I am interested in seeing where it goes. Frank's Os 2018 27.1 ppg, (Luck) 2019 22.6 (JB) 2020 28.2 (Rivers) 2021 26.5 (Wentz)
Frank's teams scored points consistently and at times prolificly.
Doesn't mean I don't like some of what I see from SS so far.
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2 hours ago, Stephen said:
Experience is the best teacher. It helps him get used to the wear and tear of a full season while also learning from how defenses play him. Can't learn that sitting. Ar's potential is going to be dependent on explosive plays.
Why can’t you learn from sitting?
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4 hours ago, Superman said:
I initially thought your point was specific to Richardson, as a strategy to protect him from himself and curb his recklessness. Now I see you're thinking much bigger than just one player and scenario. But to address your points...
1) Other sports are doing load management, but the physical toll from other sports is different than it is in the NFL. The NFL is very taxing physically, but games are once a week, the offseason is much longer than other sports, and you only play one side of the ball. To this point, load management has not been pioneered in the NFL, and I don't know that it's on the way, given the characteristics of the sport. That's not to say that it's a bad idea, but right now, it would be considered pretty radical.
2) I'm not one who thinks a QB must play right away. But I do think that once you hand it over to a young QB, it's likely to be detrimental to pull it away from him, so you don't do it unless it's absolutely necessary. And I think the main consideration about when to play a QB is if he can function in the offense, and protect himself. I don't agree with putting any arbitrary timeframe on his development and playing time, he doesn't have to sit for a year first, I don't care if he's the Week 1 starter or doesn't play until Week 10. Just judge when he's ready to go. But from that point forward, there's so much more to be learned and gained by having him on the field. I think this is true of most young players, but especially at QB.
And NFL QB has an outsized impact on the team's ability to win every week, so limiting your performance by benching your best option in the name of load management doesn't seem like a good strategy. I think Richardson's development is the primary factor, not wins, but I'm not interested in undermining the team's ability to compete in each game. (Now, in the Colts case, we can survive a game or two with Minshew, but I still don't think we should just sit our starting QB if he's healthy and ready to play.)
3) As for the concussions and other potential injuries, I'm fully in on that point. But that's only relevant if he's trying to recover from an injury. It's probably good practice to just automatically give a player a week off after a diagnosed concussion; I'm not sure we're there just yet, but so far this season, no player has played a game the week after entering concussion protocol.
Same thing with the Achilles. The Bengals should be talking to Kevin Durant about his injury, and should probably have shut Burrow down until he was 100%. I'm fine with erring on the side of caution, even extreme caution, when there's an injury. But load management implies 'we're giving this guy the day off because we don't want to physically tax him too much,' and that's not something that's present in the NFL so far. At least not outside of preseason.
Ultimately, if you're talking about a fundamental shift with NFL players, that's an interesting discussion. But it's different from what I thought you were saying about managing Richardson's playing time.
I part a little company on 3. It’s pretty much accepted that CTe is repetition not necessarily injury injury.
sports are evolving. I’d be surprised if within a few years if there aren’t guys taking healthy weeks off. soccer plays once a week most weeks and they rotate out.
just cause it ain’t happened before doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea.
also the trend in sports is headed in that direction.
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55 minutes ago, Superman said:
The primary thing is that he's the starting QB. We named him the starter, and anything that undermines his standing should be avoided, unless it's absolutely necessary. Once you hand it over to a young guy, you just have to live with the growing pains while he develops.
I would have rather had Minshew as the starter, and work Richardson in gradually, than do a version of the opposite. I'm fairly convinced that would be bad for him, and the team.
But I will admit that one of my concerns with Richardson was that he wouldn't be able to handle the speed of the NFL from a mental standpoint, and it could make it difficult for him to protect himself. I don't know if that's an issue, but if he's not protecting himself for any reason, then that could be a reason to try alternative methods.
Another big reason is that he needs all the reps he can get, both for development and for proper evaluation. And not just evaluating him -- that's the big one, of course -- but evaluating the rest of the offense. The OL protects differently for Richardson than they do for Minshew; do we have the right kind of OL for a player like Richardson? Will our pass catchers work? I feel like any time he's not on the field is a waste.
Not trying to be a (insert here), but you really haven't listed any reasons why not to rest a QB. You've got some ideas, but no real reasons. Other than reps. Which I can understand on some level.
But just consider the following. (To be clear I am suggesting the possibility of healthy scratch a couple few times a year.)
1. Other sports are doing load management in some form or fashion. I can see someone saying there are 162 baseball games and 82 football and hockey games. But to me the best comparison is Soccer. From the MLS to the top of the table in the EPL, teams are resting guys regularly, sometimes even in "big" games. Club teams usually play between 35-to 40 games a season depending on their performance in cup games and play about a month or so longer of a season. So about twice the number of games. But only about .7 more a week. Soccer is a lot rougher than some Fooball only guys think, but yeah, no it's not American Football rough. In this league I'd guess players get a game off at a minimum every 2 or 3 weeks and many players get subbed off late, though that is often strategical. They often try to stagger this rest against weaker opponents or
So if you consider this, then extrapolating over a 40 game season, at a minimum players get 5 or six games of rest. That would equate to 2 or 3 games a season in football. Point being, what makes football unique that players don't need rest.
2. Why does a player need to play all 17 to develop? Is AR really going to be that much more developed if he plays 17 rather than 14? It used to be conventional wisdom to sit a QB a whole season or more before he started. Getting an couple of games off doesn't have to hurt his development IMO. I still think there may be some value in sitting and watching at the NFL level. I don't think it has to be an all or nothing. I know this is the convention but is it necessarily ironclad gospel truth?
3. CTE and other injuries to joints etc. are often chronic not or not only catastrophic in nature. Achilles were being discussed yesterday. Seems there are more. We know that achilles tendonitis makes it more likely to blow an achilles. It is smart to rest an achilles period let alone if you feel it a little.
The same applies with head injuries. CTE and recurring concussions are often the result of repeated not necessarily catastrophic blows to the head. It is also pretty much known a major part of the problem is not allowing it to heal completely. We also know that we cannot yet detect full recovery or when damage is being done etc. So why not take the guesswork our a bit and give a guy like ARs head a rest.
You say the goal this year is not necessarily wins but ARs development. A completely rested body and head would be a good tool for development. The sideline is a great classroom. I don't think max games logically always indicates max learning.
Just something to think about.
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Just now, Superman said:
My fear during draft season is that he would be incapable of executing the offense, and that his functional shortcomings and inaccuracy throwing the ball could potentially undermine the entire operation. But he has a good enough grasp on what they're asking him to do, and he has a good clock in his head which allows him to produce yardage even when the passing options aren't working out. Compared to what I thought when I first watched him back in January or whenever, I'm impressed.
Compared to what he needs to be for the Colts to contend, he has a lot to work on. Accuracy in general, and recklessness. The accuracy is all about timing and footwork, and he'll probably always struggle with it. Josh Allen cleaned up his technical issues, but still regresses at times.
We'll also need to see how he does as the playbook opens up over time.
Bout the same as me then. There is a lot to like. There is a lot to be skeptical about.
SS and RPO is easier to learn scheme wise over traditional offenses. Lots of no read, 1 read, and half field reads.
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At one point I remember he hit an impressive gear for his size. Accelerating past the LB. TE production is down across the NFL in general probably as a result of smaller speedier LBs, but he looks like a tough match up with that ridiculous size.