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Just now, krunk said:
The same guy that you saw out producing all these others with a so called higher 3 cone they are now better. I guarantee you nothing will change.
These drills takes everything out of the equation. Such as the talent level they played against and the type talent they played with.
This 3-Cone just changed Chubb's life.
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1 minute ago, BOTT said:
How is Ballard a Polian clone?
He thinks a lot like him. They have the same kind of philosophies to build a football team.
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Just now, Tracy Denton said:
I think GM'S will pay more attention to the film than the combine results.
The numbers say they don't. Not when it comes to bending around the Edge.
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2 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:
If we trade down to #6 woth Jets and 2 additional 2nd rd. picks. Would you get him at #6?
I think there is a VERY good chance that Chubb will be there at No. 6 now. He might fall further than that.
I would take Nelson over him in a heartbeat at No. 6 though.
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1 minute ago, krunk said:
Wont have an effect on anything I guarantee.
Sorry brother. I love your passion and your football knowledge.
I think this stings right now, but in time it will make more sense.
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Just now, krunk said:
Blue that's flat out ridiculous
Time has shaped the way front offices think about this. In today's NFL teams cannot afford to use a No. 3 overall pick on a great run defender. This is a passing league and if you take a defender in the top 5, then he better be able to be destructive in the passing game.
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Just now, LJpalmbeacher2 said:
It's what I've been saying. Chubb's floor is high. He will be a good, solid all around DE. But the ceiling is questionable as to him being a very good pass rusher. When it comes to pass rushing, he's no Freeny, Mathis, von Miller.
I'd also rather trade down than draft him at #3.
Yeah. You are absolutely correct. That is why we have these drills at the combine. It helps tell the story.
In my mind, there is no scenario where we take Chubb at No. 3 overall now.
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1 minute ago, CheezyColt said:
Lol, we go from his 40 time where Twitter blows up saying he could end up a #2 overall, to his 3 cone time where now people here are saying he's no good now. Busy day in crazytown.
Welcome to the NFL Combine. It is where the truths come out.
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Just now, krunk said:
its not a big deal. So that just erases all the film and everything? That's ridiculous
It is a number that translates to the NFL. It is a proven predictor of how Edge players will translate to the NFL.
It is always the case? No. But most of the time it is.
I doubt Bradley Chubb is going in the top 5 because of this drill. There is a scenario in my mind where a team might be willing to take Edmunds in front of him now. Maybe even Davenport is the first Edge player off the board.
This is really bad for Bradley Chubb. It sucks for him.
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Just now, krunk said:
OMG unbelievable. All that over running around 3 cones. Just stop
It is a big deal man. If he had ran a 7.1 then it's an easier choice, but 7.37 is really bad.
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7 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:
Darn Chubb!
The 3 cone & short shuttle bit Disappointing! Those were drills we wanted you to score well in incase we Draft you which I think we will.
Draft Chubb at 3?
i don't see it. I see Ballard as a Bill Polian clone. No way Polian would touch an Edge player who ran a 7.37 3-cone at No. 3 overall. Not a chance in hell Polian would do that. Could I be wrong about Chris Ballard? Sure. But I don't think I am.
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5 minutes ago, Qcolts said:
We need a pure pass rusher more than we need a run stopping defensive end. You can’t teach Landry’s bend and get off. You can teach Chubb’s hand technique.
And that is exactly the point.
You hit it right on the head.
We could literally trade back into the first round and get a better Edge prospect than Chubb. I see that as a real possibility now.
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5 minutes ago, Superman said:
I think 3 cone is very important, but an unimpressive result doesn't outweigh the results from all the other testing. And there are plenty of very productive edge rushers who weren't impressive in the 3 cone.
I expected a better result from Chubb because I saw plenty of bend on his tape.
That is going to be a difference of opinion.
I think about this the way Bill Polian used to. Sure, he missed on some guys. But much more often than not, Polian was right to pass. The percentages do not lie.
I would never take an edge rusher with a 7.37, 3-Cone at No. 3 overall. Too big of a risk!
Right now, Nelson is a MUCH safer prospect at No. 3, but it's too soon to take Nelson, because of the dynamics at quarterback that will likely play out. Too much value at No. 3. I think we have 2 choices now. We either take Saquon Barkley at No. 3 overall OR we trade back.
But that is also what I said we would do back in week 16 of the 2017 season. I saw this playing out this way back then.
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2 minutes ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:
Wheres the kid from San Jose St.?
I did not show all of the UDFA's. Still have some work to do on most of the later prospects.
I am assuming you are talking about Frank Ginda, correct? Right now I have him going un-drafted, but that could change after I study him more.
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Just now, Superman said:
I disagree with the idea that he can't get after the QB. He's still an elite edge rush prospect.
Possibly, but typically that number holds true.
While it is not the tell-all sign, I am only willing to bet on the side that is usually right.
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4 minutes ago, Superman said:
Yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised by the 40 time. But equally disappointed by the 3 cone, so it's kind of a wash.
Good 40 and broad jump, though. He's shown himself to be more athletic than Bosa and Barnett, though not quite as bendy.
I agree. Completely backwards from what most people expected.
I don't want to have any single drill make up my mind, but I am drifting (even further than I was) away from taking Chubb at No 3. overall. It doesn't do us much good to take an Edge player who excels at run defense, but cannot get after the quarterback.
I am all in on Barkley, or we trade back!
Preferably we trade back and get a ransom. Hopefully the draft falls in one of the many ways that we could cash in.
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Hubbard with a 6.84, 3-Cone!
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That is a surprise. I thought he would do much better.
Davenport 3-Cones at 7.2.
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2 minutes ago, chad72 said:
Tampa Bay Buccaneer, is what he could end up being, unless Barkley falls, which I doubt he will.
Agreed!
Davenport might be too talented for Tampa to pass on him.
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3 minutes ago, stitches said:
Sweat, Davenport and Chubb are all doing great.
Agreed! Sweat is sort of a surprise to me.
I was Extremely high on Josh Sweat going into the 2017 season. However, he really did not stand out. He under-performed. In these drills, he is looking like the player I thought he was.
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Official 40 time is 4.38 for Shaquem Griffin.
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6 minutes ago, stitches said:
Josh Sweat is having himself a GREAT Day!
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27 minutes ago, King! said:
Does he play inside or outside linebacker?
He could end up at MIKE or on the EDGE.
FREAK! Much like Urlacher was.
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And none of these off-ball linebackers can catch the ball. LOL
This is crazy. 9 out of 10 drops here.
Bradley Chubb 3-Cones at 7.37
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Build through the draft and keep your own.
They don't really take a lot of chances on players, especially early.
They both build a football team in a conservative way.