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4 minutes ago, BOTT said:
If Barkley is selected 3 by the colts I never post again.
If the Colts bypass Barkley at 3 you never post again.
everthing else is a wash.
I have no no idea what bet you made with crazycolt.
Your deal is bogus and I would have never made that deal.
Why are you backing out now?
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7 minutes ago, RomanianColtsFan said:
That doesn't make it a good decision.
I would take Nelson over Chubb in a heartbeat!
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4 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Disagree....
I think Ballard is far more interested if defense than Polian ever was. Plus zbalkard is a believer in FA, which Polian never was and still isn't.
Bill Polian was interested in defense. He just saw more value in keeping people in the seats (small market). And he knew he could sell tickets by putting points on the board. It worked, and it's the reason why the Colts are still in Indianapolis and not in LA or Cleveland right now. There were a lot of politics with Polian's decision making.
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2 minutes ago, BOTT said:
How is it playing out like you said? Barkley blew up the combine like everyone knew he would? What a game changer....
2 months before the draft and the quarterbacks havnt even had the private workouts yet. And Ballard isn't dumb enough to waste a #3 pick on a rb in 2018.
Everyone did not know Barkley was going to blow up the combine 2 months ago. I predicted he would though.
He is going very high in this draft. IF we do not trade back and Barkley is on the board, then he will suit up for the Indianapolis Colts.
Now the bet we have is....If we stay at No. 3 and make a pick - I said that pick would be Barkley. I also said I think we would have many opportunities to trade back, and that trading back might be too much too pass on.
Because Ballard is a smart man, he will either take Barkley or trade back.
Now if memory servers me correctly, if we do take Barkley then you guys have to leave the forum forever. If we make a selection at No. 3 and it is not Barkley then I have to leave the forum forever. However, a trade back would create stalemate. Another way you guys lose is if Barkley is off the board before we pick.
So basically, if Barkley gets selected in the top 3 then you guys are calling it quits here forever.
Now keep in mind, you guys made this bet with me. I did not initiate it. But I can tell you right now that I am right, and the only thing that can save you guys is for quarterbacks to go 1 & 2 and for us to trade back. That would result in a stalemate, and we all get to stay.
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Just now, ClaytonColt said:
No doubt. A positive set of results will always help draft stock obviously.
Him being drafted in the 2nd round wasn't caused by his combine results though. It's where he was always predicted to be even before those results.
It hasn't stopped him becoming a very effective player which is why I think you're putting too much empahis on that particular result. We will have to see though.
The risk and value was weighed. In the end they undervalued him a little.
However, a team cannot afford to overvalue a player. That is how you end up like the Browns for so many years. Although I think the Browns have the right people to change things now.
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Just now, RomanianColtsFan said:
You can’t take a guard in the first round, not a game changer no matter how good.
Chances of Nelson getting drafted in the top 10 = about 95%!
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7 minutes ago, BOTT said:
Didn't we make a bet or was that someone else?
I made a bet with CrazyColt. Are you in the bet too?
LOL
I am going to miss you, because this is playing out exactly like I said it would. We either take Barkley or we are trading back. I have said that since week 16 of the 2017 regular season.
It is all playing out just like I thought and said it would.
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6 minutes ago, ClaytonColt said:
Was he projected as higher pick than that before the combine?
If he flat out smoked the 3-Cone then it would have improve his draft stock. Probably not top 3 or anything, but that kind of thing will get a player drafted higher than they would have been.
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1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:
Any more the Combine is more for the fans and guys like Kiper who don’t always have access to team info than the teams
That is just not true. yeah the NFL has more access to these players, but they need the combine to run these drills and do all the testing.
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1 minute ago, ClaytonColt said:
Demarcus Lawrence is another one. Ran a 7.46.
A slow time in that drill isn't helpful. Obviously. But it doesn't stop a player being an exceptional pass rusher.
You're right though. We'll have to wait and see.
And he was a second round player because of the times. The rule does not always apply, but mostly it is correct on predicting players careers.
We will see how things play out.
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Just now, BOTT said:
You won't be here after the draft.....
What do you mean? Why do you think that?
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10 minutes ago, OffensivelyPC said:
Im not ignoring history when I say the film is the single most important thing in player evaluations. You, however, are ignoring all the prospects relevant history if you see his cone time and trash his tape because of it.
9 minutes ago, ClaytonColt said:Not sure he classifies as an edge rushed per se but Calais Campbell ran a 7.45 and I'd take his sack production all day long.
8 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:Art
Film is the most important part of game preparation at almost every level
It looks like minds are not changing here.
So for the record, OffensivelyPC, ClaytonColt, and PrincetonTiger all believe that a 7.37, 3-Cone will have no impact on Bradley Chubb's draft stock.
And I am saying that there is no way in Hades, that an Edge rusher who runs a 7.37, 3-Cone is going in the top 3 overall.
That is pretty much the summary here. You are never going to change my mind on this. That is not going to happen. Obviously I am not changing yours either.
Agree to disagree, and we can revisit this when the draft actually rolls around.
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Just now, PrincetonTiger said:
Stop BecausevI don’t need an explanation
Then why are you fighting me on this?
This is not me against you. This the way the NFL operates.
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4 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:
If the combine was the only thing to draft a person why did some teams send skeleton crews and the NFL not invite everyone
Because this is how the NFL has standardized the process. Using the same equipment, and the same people to test all of these players in the same way.
The information is more accurate this way. It is also more efficient, because all teams and players can be present at the same place, and at the same time.
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Just now, PrincetonTiger said:
You can’t have it both ways
How do you mean both ways?
On one hand a player is trying to improve his stock. On the other the players stock is already predetermined.
It is the way it works.
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1 minute ago, OffensivelyPC said:
No, it is where truths are over exaggerated. The film is where the truth comes out. These guys arent even running in pads.
You can choose to ignore history all you want to..
OR
Hear me out, because this might be a tough concept for some people. You could look at what history tells us.
Go tell me how many Edge Rushers who ran a 7.37 3-Cone have been drafted in the top 3.....
There is a reason for that. A Damn Good reason for that.
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Just now, PrincetonTiger said:
Better not draft Darnold then because he didn’t work out
Yeah. Funny thing about that. When you are the stud, you don't have to workout.
I am not happy that he decided not to workout, but he is the No 1 overall pick so what does he have to gain?
And make no mistake about it. Sam Darnold is the No. 1 overall pick in this draft.
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1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:
T is a factor but not the end all
It is the "end all" for players going in the top 3 overall! LOL
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4 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:
Coaches and Scouts rely much more on Fïlm and personal interviews
Coaches and scouts are looking for a reason not to take a player at No. 3 overall.
An Edge rusher running a 7.37 3-Cone pretty much does their job for them.
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Just now, PrincetonTiger said:
That is what I said and you didn’t answer my question
I am not sure what your question is then.
The fact is that Bill Polian spent a TON on free agency early in his Indy career. And he had to. Much like Chris Ballard has to now, and for the same reasons.
But that was a side-note to the real discussion going on anyway. Not sure why this is even going that far away form the actual topic. your facts are wrong about the past, and you need look up the history, because you are all over the place with things.
When it comes to this draft, there is literally no way we can take Chubb at No. 3 now. It would be irresponsible. It's too much of a risk. Especially when Saquon Barkley is sitting there. And if Barkley is off the board then we have a bidding war that could buy us a championship.
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Just now, richard pallo said:
PFF has him rated the 21st. player overall. Landry is at 9 and they have Davenport also rated higher than Chubb. I'm sure he's a solid player but I really question him in the top 5 rankings now. I have always like Landry better because he reminds me so much of Freeney. His down year this year was due to his injury. Davenport actually reminds me of Mathis. I can see a number of players rated ahead of Chubb when it comes to BPA especially if we are picking at 3. I don't think it's a given he's the 1st. ER off the board. If Barkley is there at 3 he becomes the sure pick and if not Nelson jumps in front of Chubb although I would rather trade back a few spots to take Nelson. Edmunds moves ahead of Chubb IMO.
Agree!!!!
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Just now, PrincetonTiger said:
The Combine is a joke
That is your opinion.
The NFL hosts the combine every year because they believe it is a very important part of the draft-season process.
I believe it is Extremely important.
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1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:
T
Who
Dilger, Harrison, Pollard, Wayne, Glenn, and Manning were here or came through the draft
Glenn, Dilger and Harrison were here. We drafted Manning in 1998 and did not draft Wayne until a few years later.
We had no defense at all. We only had 2 good offensive lineman, Glenn and Meadows.
Go back and look at how many players we brought in through free agency in 1998 and 1999.
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3 minutes ago, BOTT said:
Everyone builds through the draft and hopes to draft enough good players to keep. Hell, Ballard did more in FA in year one than Bill did in a decade.
Actually, I think you are forgetting how much Polian built this team through free agency in his first couple of years. He had too, because we didn't have any talent. Ballard is stuck in the same situation.
The only reason Ballard and Polian ever go into free agency hard, is because they have to,
Polian spent a bundle in free agency in his first couple of seasons in Indy. Brought a lot of his Carolina guys over too.
Bradley Chubb 3-Cones at 7.37
in NFL Draft, Scouting, and Free Agent Talk
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I Barkley is selected 1 or 2 then they have to call it quits here.
They are the ones who said Barkley would not get drafted in the first 3 picks. I said that as long as we stay at 3 then Barkley will get picked in the top 3.