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Here is Paye's week by week grades. Paye - 74.1(27/106), 75.8(29/107), 69.8(43/112), 65.9(53/111), 65.9(51/114), 62.5(66/111), 63.2(63/109), 66.8(52/113), 67.4(51/107), 67.6(52/106), 68(48/106), 71.7(43/109), 73.1(38/108), 75.3(37/111), 75.6(38/113), 74.3(37/114), 74.3(37/114) Started a little slow, but after missing week 5, he dropped to his lowest ranking in week 6, but pretty much improved every week till week 17, when he had small drop off. #37 is a pretty solid grade. High #2 DE grade. Ekubam was clearly our #1.(14/112)

I'm ok with picking it up, the good thing right now though, is no decision needs to be made till after the draft. So if we add any new Edge(s), either through FA or the draft, we could opt to not exercise the option. $13.3m next year(2025) isn't a bad cap hit though, especially after the cap will go up by another big margin, in all likelihood. Top Edge will be $30-$35m, so $13m really isn't anything. I think Paye played some good ball last year, especially after he came back from his 1 game he missed. Took a game to get back going then his performance improved pretty much the rest of the season.(PFF grade wise) Would like to see what our new DL can do with him, and all of our DL for that matter.

I moved all of these post in this thread over from a Colts thread, on 2 separate occasions. So they were actually were in a Colts thread at one point. It's not a big deal either way though. So many post, a lot slip through the cracks, I probably haven't even been in a good majority of the new threads for the last month. usually only move post, if it is blatantly not about topic at hand, or there is a report or someone mentions it in a thread. like I said though, a lot slips through, especially in the slow season.

Really like the team, potential is through the roof, and I can't wait to see Walker get more action(probably won't be till next year, but that's fine) Looking forward to next year, they are building the G League Mad Ants, new arena in Noblesville(where I live), so will be checking in on a few of those games throughout the season. Still can't believe Haliburton got robbed for All Star MVP. Had 7 less points on 11 fewer shot attempts than Lillard, while having 4 more rebounds. That was trash, even more trash that Doc Rivers coached the game after having Bucks job for 1 game... Like why? How does that happen? Mazzula wasn't an option because he coached last year....

Good thing is we are up towards the top(6th) Only (17) teams have over $30m in cap space at the moment. We all know there will be a lot of cap manipulation going on to free up more funds though. Better to start at $70m+ though. (13) teams have $20m or less, while (6) are still over the cap currently.(Bills $41m over the cap even with the extra $13m)

I say we would have anywhere between $18m-$31m, depending on Pittman (tag/ or extension), prior to FA beginning.(that's if we signed Pittman, Stewart, Lewis, Moore, Blackmon and Sermon to numbers or range I posted) That number would actually be higher as 1st year of contract will probably be lower than the AAV of the contract. So maybe add another $5-$10m that way. $28m-$41m(plus 6 players dropping off top 51, would save another $5m(ish) $33m-$46m potentially heading into FA. Could still free up $5.9m with Cox being moved(released/ or traded) Even more with Buck 1-2 year extension.($5-$10m more potentially) I posted the breakdown on last page. Only top 3 rounds will end up counting against top 51 cap. I came up with around $2.7m needed for rookie contracts (top 51)

Seems as though you already found the draft pick monies needed. We are currently at (62) If we signed the (6) I listed we would be at (68), then add in the (7) picks we have currently. That gets us to (75). Leaves (15) spots for FA's and UDFA, to fill out 90 man roster. Although I'm sure we will end up with more than 7 draft picks.

The cap was already projected to go up $17m. Which was what the cap space was projected at. It went up $13m more than anticipated so our cap space only goes up that $13m, as the other $17m was included. He might make a couple splash moves, with the extra money.

Hard to argue it. I'll still take JJ though. Lol. Anyway, prob need to get back to Colts talk. Getting a little off course. I started it with the talk about how the cap would effect the Vikings and Cousins. My fault all.

Won 2 SB's since trading him.

I pretty sure I have heard it outside of Florio talking about it.? But maybe it has just been Florio, he likes to repeat and repeat himself over and over again. Lol. I agree though, it works in the NBA because they can go over the cap. Don't have that luxury here. Hunter is rumored to be looking for $25m per season. I'll trade for JJ, right now. Does seem to me like Kirk might be on the way out?

Yeah the Chiefs are actually sitting a lot better than some might think. $28m in cap space, can save $12m more by moving on from MVS. That gets them to $40m before even looking at Mahomes reworked deal. Snead - $18-$20m CJ GJ - $8-$10m Queen - $17-$20m $43-$50m Of course those are AAV numbers, 2024 numbers would probably be $10-$15m lower most likely. So $28/$33m-$35/$40m in 2024? Then of course would have (3) players drop out of top 51 to save an additional $2.7m against the cap. Could make it all work. Might need an extension for Buckner to create some more cap room. ** who knows on those projections just kind of throwing down numbers out there.

So many different ways it could go. I'll throw a couple of my thoughts out though. I've been pretty quiet on here lately as I've been busy and it was the real slow season, so haven't really posted much yet.. Re-sign: Pittman (or work out tag and trade) Grover Lewis Moore I would release Mo and sign Henry. Would love to find a way to get T'Vondre(sp?) Sweat, the DT from Texas, to town. Maybe move up in round 2, if he falls? So thin there after Buck right now. Even thinner at the 1tech. Currently with no moves being made, I would probably be looking CB, Edge or WR(if Pittman is moved) in round 1. A lot will change once we start filling out the roster though, so this is subject to change. Heard rumblings of CJ Gardner Johnson(typical off-season projections), he would be a solid get on the back end to take over Blackmon's spot. L'Jarius Snead would be high on the list as well. Young OC for the future. Start that growth process. Guard as well Would love a couple new LBers. Patrick Queen? 😆

Draft Picks:(Salary Cap Implications) 1.15 - $3,034,753 2.46 - $1,510,581 3.82 - $1,045,776 4th-7th round won't count against top 51, so won't affect the cap. Top 3 picks currently count for $5,591,110 - 3 x $950k = $2,850,000 Draft picks will only count $2,741,110 against top 51 off-season cap number. * as we know things are likely to change when it comes to our draft picks, but as it sits now we only need to save $2.7m to account for draft pick contracts. Took $950k as an average by the time the draft comes(probably looking at $985k in all actuality). Every player we sign from now to then will drop a guy off the top 51, unless their salary is already below top 51. (8) signings turns to $985k dropping off per signing.

Starting to get pumped up. Couple more weeks.

https://nfltraderumors.co/top-100-2024-nfl-free-agents-list/ List of top 100 FA.(updated with Xavien Howard release) Pittman #12 on list, 3rd WR(Higgins, Evans)

The Ogletree situation definitely complicates it. I don't dislike Mo by any means, just isn't worth that cap number, imo(whatever that means; nothing), whether the cap went up $13m more than anticipated or not. I would much rather take that $5.9m and put it towards a contract with Hunter Henry, who has prior experience with Steichen.

@Superman Speaking of cap percentages. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/forget-guaranteed-contracts-tie-the-compensation-of-star-players-to-cap-percentages I'm really not a fan of Florio and his writings, but it has been a topic of discussion the last couple years. Maybe not in an official capacity, but it's been lingering. I think it would only work with QB though, if implemented.

Thanks, that's kinda where I was with it.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cba/minimum/ League minimums are set per the CBA through 2030 for years of service Here is the draft cost per draft slot:(estimates, although I think that is more of projected comp picks) https://overthecap.com/draft That's a good question though, and one I can't give a definitive answer off the top of head Found this on a quick search https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nfl-salary-cap-increase-is-good-news-for-everyone-particularly-contenders "Thirty-two teams each gaining $13 million in cap space adds up to $416 million in new bonus spending — an NFL stimulus package, if there ever was one. For teams trying to spend wisely and not use cap tricks like void years to create current cap space at the expense of future seasons, this is like getting notice that your credit-card spending limit has been raised, making it easier for desperate teams to take big swings as they try to get back to national relevance and playoff contention. The NFL's league-minimum salaries won't go up in conjunction with a higher salary cap — that starts with rookies making $795,000 this year. The biggest gains will probably go to the league's biggest stars. The league has only four quarterbacks making $50 million a year or more (Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Jamal Hurts) but that number could grow in the next month, with potential new deals for Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence and a few other top passers." Not a very good example for your question though. perhaps @Supermanwill have a better answer there. my answer would be no, but I could be wrong.

$5.9m, even better. I agree, regardless what happens with Ogletree, I think we need to move on, unless Mo is willing to take a pay cut.

I wasn't referring to the Pittman tag situation. You might not be talking about this either, but that's how I read the first part. That percentage of the cap is really a thing in the NBA, contracts are straight structured with those (max players) conditions. I was referring to all FA that might hit the market. Again, this might be what you are talking about as it fits how I read the 3rd paragraph.? Yes there is the set market value, but with the cap going up an additional $12-$13m over initial projections ($240-$242m), I think players and agents might be a little apprehensive about taking what they might perceive as a borderline low-ball offer(probably bad choice of wording), even if it's close to market value. I think it will definitely benefit a lot of teams in regards to retaining their own guys(definitely us), no doubt, but there will still be plenty of big names on the market. Bottom line is there is a lot more money on the market than was going to be at that $240-$242m cap projection(states Mr Obvious, me). So I think players are going to want to see what's out there. Thing I find interesting and might affect @NFLfan, is the Kirk Cousins situation. The extra $12-$13m over prior 2024 cap projections, helps put a dent in the dead cap of Kirk if he isn't retained. Does that make them more likely to allow him to walk away, instead of trying to resign him and get rid of the $28.5m dead cap if he leaves? Also as it relates to above(prior quote). Wasn't telling you anything you don't already know in regarding offer sheets (offered/ or signed), was just providing context for anyone else who might not know. Although I think most the forum is starting to be pretty well versed on these things.

So with the official cap in place, let's look at how the cap might look with our own FAs retained. Remaining Free Agents: QB: Gardner Minshew(walk) RB: Zach Moss (walk, although this might improve chances he may stay?) Trey Sermon $985k (minimum) WR: Michael Pittman tag - $21.8m, extension $15m(2024 cap hit, estimate) Isaiah McKenzie(walk) OC: Danny Pinter(walk) DE: Tyquan Lewis($4m AAV) Jake Martin(minimum or walk) Genard Avery(injury, will walk for now) DT: Grover Stewart($10-$12m AAV) Taven Bryan(walk) CB: Kenny Moore($6-$9m AAV) S: Julian Blackmon($7-$9m AAV) P: Rigoberto Sanchez (I would let walk for now, maybe look back later) So with $72.3m in cap space, if we retain the guys I put a number by we would be looking like this. Cap used with Tag: $49.8m-$56.8m used, minus $5.4m in contracts that drop below top 51. Cap Space Remaining with Tag: $21.1m-$27.9m Cap Space Remaining with extension:$27.9m-$34.7m Going into FA. Can always save $5.9m by moving on from Cox as well. All depending on my salary projections, which could be low or high?

She was responding to me saying he wanted to hit the market. I don't think her position has changed.

While I agree, there will still be plenty of guys hit the market. Goes both ways, players and agents know that teams have more money on the market, so they are not just going to settle, if they think there is more to be had on the market.