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4 minutes ago, MPStack said:
SMH
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11 hours ago, MPStack said:
You lost me at Cam Newton!
He's broken or will break quite a few QB rushing or rushing and passing records that will probably remain unbroken for a while.
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23 minutes ago, NFLfan said:
I agree with you but a large percentage of Vikings fans want him fired, as he has not done a good job with the OL.
Why do you believe he is a top GM?
This is probably at least partly on the contract/cap guy the Vikings have but Vikings extensions to their own players have been outstanding, maybe the best in the league. They were proactive when extending Thielen, Griffen and Linval and this got them for less guaranteed money or total money or both. Thielen contract is probably the best in the league. Hunter and Diggs deals were fantastic compared to similar players at their positions. Zimmer as HC probably helps a lot when it comes to defensive players but they don't usually sign big time busts in FA. Greg Jennings was probably the worst miss. Wallace trade was bit stupid as he had pretty big cap hit. Bradford trade was bad and the OL has been an issue for years but other than that, he doesn't really have flaws imo.
Zimmer helps in this too but he's been there only since '14 but I think Spielman got the full/final say in '11 and since then, only two defensive players he's drafted in the first 3 rounds have been busts, 3 if we count Mackensie Alexander who is only decent. I don't count Floyd since he was on his way of becoming a great player before a failed surgery ruined his career. Rhodes and Smith are among the best at their position and both were pre-Zimmer.
And on offense, only Ponder was a truly terrible pick. Kalil mysteriously started sucking after rookie year IIRC, but he was a decent starter for a while. I guess he's a relative bust, like Treadwell and Patterson and the latter is a pretty good gadget player.
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10 minutes ago, Superman said:
I hadn't figured out our ranking. Have a link for that?
I know we should be pretty high on that list, only giving up 17 points/game over the last seven games. Of course, that includes 5 points to the Bills with Derek Anderson, and 6 points to the Jags with Cody Kessler... Take those two games out and it goes up to about 22/game, more in line with our season average.
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We are #1 points allowed too. HOU is within 2 points, LAC 4. HOU has also had soft Schedule, LAC a bit harder. DEN is 8 points behind us but they've played against Mahomes, Ben and Rivers in that stretch, along with Watson.
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8 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:
I havent seen these studies, but wonder if the DE position is more risky than the DT position.
It SEEMS that the DEs flame out moreso than DTs (Non scientific thought)
Might be but it's hard to seprate between them for these studies. One would need to look at everyone individually. As DE might mean 4-3 DE or 3-4 DE.. And it's fairly rare that one player can do both succesfully.
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31 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:
I've been following the draft closely since 1997 and in that time WRs have also been a crap shoot, especially at the top of the draft, even when you remove the Matt Millen factor
Yeah but almost every position is more or less a crapshoot.
Though via quick google, I recalled a bit wrong as WR is the 3rd riskiest position to draft in the 1st round, behind only DL and RB. That study looked at 25 and 10 years back from 2010. WRs were tied with DL for the 2nd riskiest pick among top 10 picks but were among the safest in the top 5.
Another study , though I'm personally not the biggest fan of their criteria but it's hard to come up with a good one for all positions. They looked at 05-14 and found these success rate in terms of finding starters:
Quote1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
And since 2015, success rate for 1st round WRs seems to have gotten even worse. Possibly because of increased need for receivers in todays passing game.
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16 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:
The flip side of that, is that WR seems to be one of the hardest positions to draft. For example, on your list, in the last 4 years 48 WRs have been drafted in the first three rounds of the draft. I know there are no guarantees when drafting but WRs also seem to have the most "busts" or at least the most players not living up to their draft status.
I think there was a study done on this and it was linked and discussed on this forum. WRs used to be among the safest positions at the top of the draft. But since 2015, busts have been increasing.
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12 hours ago, chad72 said:
This was an interesting read from someone on Philly.com, not the glowing endorsement I thought I would read about DeFilippo:
www2.philly.com/eagles/john-defilippo-fired-eagles-carson-wentz-doug-pederson-mike-groh-20181211.html
FWIW, Philly fans (he writes about 76ers too at least) think that dude is a hack and not reliable at all.
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19 hours ago, Pacergeek said:
Vikings should have fired their GM. Kirk Cousins was a horrible signing
He was obviously not going to be worth the money but that GM is still one of the best in the business.
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1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:
No where did I say the Colts don't need better talent. I said if the Colts wanted better talent it would have to come from free agency. Any receiver taken in the draft will take 2 or 3 years to develop. Very few of the receivers you listed made much of an impact there rookie year or their 2nd year.
I was of that opinion in the past but the WR prices ballooned last year. FA should still remain at least an option but it would be expensive and to have more than 2 good receivers, we'd probably need to find them at the draft.
About 20 WRs of that list were good right away. And only about half a dozen needed more than 2 years to develop into an impact player.
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Just now, Coffeedrinker said:
About the same.
I'd be really interested in seeing the numbers.
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46 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:
it was the long pass down the sideline that I was thinking of but yes it was on 1st down not 4th. And the Colts used their 1st timeout when Jax had the ball on their 23, so if they had got the interception or had stopped Jax, they would have had 2 TOs left. So, yeah with a P. Manning run offense, I'd take that situation 10 times out 10.
Even with all of that, it still took a 59 yarder from Scobee to win the game (a low percentage kick Scobee was 62% from beyond 50 for his career) For all the analytics people out there, the TO gave the Colts the best chance to win the game in regulation.How about winning the game at all? And what's the math on those analytics? Jax had the ball on their 31 when the 1st timeout was called. If they had run it again twice, it would have used the TOs. Where the chances of INT or stop higher than the chances of getting two shots at converting two yards? There was also 50/50 shot that Peyton gets the ball to start the OT. Also if he really wanted to end the game in regulation, why not go for 2 after the Collie TD?
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16 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:
The timeout in the Jags game was a good call. After the TO in the Jags game the Colts dropped an INT and held them to a long 4th down which the Jags converted.
How? If we had gotten the ball back, we'd have had no timeouts and would have needed to go around 40 yards in 20 seconds. There was no 4th and long either. They ran for 8 Yards on first down. Caldwell called a timeout. Then came the Hayden drop INT, Jags converted the 3rd and short and another longer one after that and kicked the FG to win the game.
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On 12/8/2018 at 8:17 PM, ColtsBlueFL said:
The Lions were 60 -148 from 2001 - 2013 before Jim Caldwell, (under Marty Mornhinweg, Steve Mariucci, Rod Marinelli, and Jim Schwartz) with only 1 playoff appearance over 13 years, and 36 - 28 after Jim Caldwell with 2 playoff appearances in just 4 years.
He also had quite a bit more talented teams. Despite being an offensive coach, he's had only twice above average pts per game ranking league-wide in 7 years without Peyton Manning. Some memorable moments like the Hail Mary defense against GB, the final minute of the Falcons game in '14 don't look exactly good on his resume. Nor does allowing TDs last year with first 10 men on the field against the Vikings and then later in the season with 9 men on the field against the Ravens.
QuoteBoth of those teams were completely in Cleveland Browns misery territory until those guys got hired. Fact.
Lions had 24 wins and PO appearance in 3 years before Caldwell was hired and 30 wins in 4 prior years along with PO appearance. Current Browns never had the latter and managed the former once, over 15 years ago.
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I like Baker so I hope they don't hire McCarthy.
I think it's better for the game the less McCarthy's there are as HCs. But he won a SB so he will get another HC job.
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4 hours ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:
Would he still be on his rookie contract?
If the Chiefs released him, wouldn't his new team be signing him to a new contract?
How ironic would it be if he started making more money next year than he would have if he had stayed a Chief...
It's technically a new contract but he won't make more money, or at least not a lot more until after year 3. I think he can be RFA after year 3 which would be the real benefit as he would be eligible for offer sheet or high qualifying tender. But that's negated if he gets long suspension and/or the market for him gets smaller.
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21 minutes ago, NFLfan said:
I don't know. Remember the Pittsburgh-New England game last year? That was a bogus call. Had that been called a catch, Pittsburgh would have won the game and would have had HFA, if I recall correctly.
That was the right call at the time. Controversial for sure and part of the reason rules were changed.
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2 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:
there was no conspiracy. I said numerous times in that other thread that the Vikings were supposed to win. They were supposed to win the SB in their own stadium so it was the first time ever it happened for a team. The problem was the Eagles beat them so bad in the playoffs that the refs couldn't do anything about it, so the backup plan was a generic underdog story between the Eagles and Pats in the SB.
Refs missed the memo in the divisional game against the Saints as Vikings could've gotten lot more calls on their way when they were getting carved up by Brees in the 2nd half and needed Minneapolis miracle to win it.
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39 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
Favre and Aikman played in an era when QBs were not protected. Saying they were better is not seeing the whole picture or hearing the whole story.
Aikman and Kelly were pounded into the ground and out of the league.
This who was better than the other is nothing but opinion.
That applies for other QBs in their era too and I'm comparing Favre and Aikman to their peers in their era... with a bit of a cavet that Brees and Rodgers had/have tougher comp as they have to compete against Brees and Peyton. Prime Aikman also had the best offensive line of his era, possibly ever.
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On 11/19/2018 at 5:38 AM, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Since this is an Aaron Rodgers topic. How many in here think he is a Top 10 QB of all-time?
-You have QB's like:
Brady, Montana, Peyton, Unitas, Graham, Elway, Favre, Marino, Staubach, S.Young, Bradshaw, Aikman, - that is 12 right there. Is Brees Top 10?
Brees and Rodgers are better than Favre and Aikman.
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3 hours ago, TheMarine said:
Luck is in the conversation, but thats it. Breezus is better this year with a much better team. Luck stands out as the best player on a not so good team (We're 5-5, lets be real). Breezus stands out head and shoulders above a team with a LOT of talent. I think Mahomes, Breezus, and Donald are in front of him.
Offensive Player of the Year: Brees > Mahomes/Luck
Defensive Player of the Year: Donald/Mack > All Else
Defensive Rookie of the Year: Leonard/LVE/Chubb
Offensive Rookie of the Year: BarkleyComback: Luck/Watt
MVP: Breezus > All OthersGood list but I'd add Goff with Mahomes/Luck for offensive player of the year.. He has great talent around him but just can't ignore the QB on of the top offenses in the game.
Donald > Mack > anyone else. Donald leads the league in sacks despite playing almost exclusively on the interior. He has almost twice as many sacks as the next interior player. And it's not just sacks, he's an absolute terror on every play. Mack also missed 2 games.
I'd also add Ward for DROY.. I'd give Leonard edge for that award right now.
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18 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
I’m not convinced of that. I think we’re going to have another targeted off season of spending. I don’t see us spending big money in FA until 2020.
That’s my read of Ballard’s comments. We’ll know by mid-March.
FWIW, Holder said in recent Q&A (at theathletic) that he 'really believes' Colts will be more aggressive next FA. But like you said, we'll know by mid-March.
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1 hour ago, chad72 said:
No, you are not the only one.
I feel like Aaron Rodgers is becoming more like Peyton and not taking check downs as much. The Seahawks left their RBs open on the flat several times but this dude has to go 20 yards all the time, he does have this ego/complex that affects his decisions making. Maybe he feels he has to compensate for his injury or justify his new contract, but Mike McCarthy is not helping matters much with his bad time management as well.
I seem to get the feeling that a lot of things are being done to keep Rodgers happy. The Packers will win once that approach is abandoned and Rodgers puts his ego aside and goes the "death by a thousand paper cuts" offense every once in a while like Brady. I have Davante Adams in 2 leagues and benefited from Rodgers' tunnel vision to Adams but if you look at it objectively, that is what I see.
Very much this.. He's always looking for the big play instead of taking what the defense gives you. On the first play of their final drive, 4 other receivers were open but he threw long ball to ESB and was way off.. He thinks he can always extend the play and make something magical happen (and pretty often he does) but when it fails, he takes sacks and those can be drive killers and too often there are easy completions that he could've taken.
This isn't just this year thing, he's been doing it for a while. Probably combo of his huge ego/talent/McCarthys outdated WCO/receivers who aren't good at getting separation.
He's also had unusual amount of missed throws (accuracy-wise) this year, like early '15 and '16. But he turned it around on the second half of '16. Hasn't happened so far.
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If there is 1 guy whose hype isn’t thanks to ease of the passing era
in NFL General
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Didn't say anything about him being elite QB. Just about his current/likely future records, which was the context where Newton was brought up in dgambill's post.