DougDew

Goodness, misunderstandings all over the place. I don't have a weird issue with off structure. What I don't do is place the ability to go off structure over the ability to play within structure. In-structure is superior to off-structure and the first priority. Off structure play is not the goal, but the residue of bad in structure play. Hurts is not a physical specimen in terms of size, speed, agility, compared to football athletes. Look it up. Apparently, he's an elite squatter...big deal. He does not have the strongest arm compared to even "near elite" NFL QBs. He is not a gifted all around athlete. And none of that has anything to do with how many yards an NFL QB puts up. You seem to think that because I call him not a gifted athlete and call him a game manager that it is some sort of shot. No. Its praise. As far as AR vs Minshew, I have no opinion...not enough sample size. But what I see is this: Before AR started, this entire board thought that Minshew would give us the best chance to win. Now, after throwing 40 passes to the short and right quadrant of the field in a losing effort, then scoring two TDs on scripted play drives, AR is somehow equal to Minshew in his ability to win games, despite the fact that Minshew has actually scored points through the air and won both games he's played in. Some may even feel that AR gives us a better shot to win than Minshew. How does that make sense?

Well, you'll have to ask another poster why this thread includes a Nyheim Hines discussion. It was to use Moss' play and trade to dig up an opinion I had of Hines, then claim I was wrong bout it. Hines sucked as a runner, and everybody finally figured it out. Moss doesn't. There is the difference, which is why using Moss to attack my opinion of Hines makes no sense.

Its nice to see Raimann grade in the 70s...I think its been each game. Consistently higher pass blocking grade than run blocking too.

I don't think teams script plays for the whole game, just the first two series. I'm just pointing out that the good things AR really did in the passing game thus far came on the scripted play drives. I think its a passing league, so the running talent isn't a consistent winning component without enough passing talents, so there is a reason for the bias.

Sorry. Yes, there is another perspective to have. It would be called the wrong perspective. Two players. The big play maker has value in open spaces created by a QB and Diggs having to be defended all over the field. As opposed to being useless on a team with a statue and no receiving threats going against a stacked box. The other guy is much better at being a backup RB. GMs know this stuff and make equitable trades between teams. OTOH, fans might think that one fleeced the other.

You attack me out of the blue. I swat it away. And now you pretend you didn't read it. You wrote your post like you were not planning on agreeing with anything I said. LOL Moss and Hines are two different players. Moss is a backup RB, and Hines is a player that makes big plays when the defense is spread out, but he kinda sucks when it isn't. Allen's running ability and arm talent makes the defense spread out. To BUF, Hines has more value to them than a backup part time chain mover. BUF got two great kick returns when they needed big plays. And gave up a guy who didn't add much to their kind of offense. And during a SB run, a team always pays a more expensive price, so the Colts got more than we gave. It was a great trade for both teams. Both teams knew exactly what they were getting in each player. The trade makes sense.

No, it isn't possible. BUF traded a guy who wasn't playing for them, plus a draft pick, for a player that is good for kickoffs and being able to make an occasional big play because of speed. Moss is showing you what a backup RB should be, which is why I was always correct in not liking Hines, and so many others got it wrong. Ballard finally figured it out, and some fans are starting to as well. BTW, its nice to see how our LT play is elevating the entire oline success. You know, because LT is the only oline position that, by itself, is impactful. So when we had AC the line was good. When he left, it sucked. Now we have a LT who gets better grades than the LG position, and the line is pretty good again. Its almost as if the LT play is the key to the oline and LG can be journeyman quality....almost. Go figure.

This is the third year in a row where Smith has had a bad start to the season. He usually starts playing better about game 4 or 5.

This has pretty much been his grades for all three games. And better PB than RB. He's been grading out as our best Olineman?

Moss. He's a quality RB. What he lacks in the more popular athletic traits I think he makes up for with vision and balance. Body control to avoid getting a direct hit, and he was able to make that catch. I thought he was a good RB in BUF, but I think they got tired of him getting hurt and being unavailable.

My comments in this thread are in context relative to Stroud. In college, Stroud was a thrower, and it appears HOU is not bashful to use him that way. AR was not really a thrower in college....we all know it wasn't NFL quality. SS hasn't used him as a thrower, so in the context of what I think it takes to be a competent and then a very good NFL QB, AR hasn't provided much outside of one early drive. We can make assumptions about what he's reading and what he could be doing, but he's not performing like Stroud in the passing game (after three games. LOL).

Like Edleman used to, I think Downs is showing the value of being able to get separation, at any size. But doing it with height is preferable.

Yeah, but its not like its a 15 yard back shoulder play design...which is a little more intended and executable. Throwing it 40 air yards so that your well-covered WR gets the pass higher than two defenders that are right on him is not what I would call play design. JMO.

The table has always been set for an amicable return, if I followed this soap opera well. While JT has asked to be traded, I thought it appeared driven by the lack of an extension moreso then any real deterioration in the relationship. The chatter has been more angry, but the words said by both sides have been generally business like and cordial. And both agreed that he was injured, although most believe he was exaggerating the ankle. I'm saying that underneath all of this chatter by people, if you look at the actually words said by the Colts and JT, there is really no position either has taken that puts them into an unchangeable corner. I think both sides have left plenty of room to come together.

Yes, but in about 7 months.

Yep, they score points by themselves. Of course there needs to be blocking and a hold, but points from a kicker are based on their execution and no one else's...unlike a TD.

I think there is a difference between that non call at that time and other PIs that get called. It really had no impact on the play, and the reason it was not completed was because of a bad pass by Lamar. If it was a good pass, it would have been completed, which is what typically happens (or should happen) with PI calls. I think that's what the refs saw, and chose not to aid BAL by giving them a FD when Lamar really threw and incomplete pass regardless.

That deep pass from Minshew to Pitt was pretty lucky. You don't make that play unless you throw the ball, but throwing that pass at that time as it was defended is going to result in a completion about 15% of the time. It felt like a Hail Mary shot at changing field position, and it worked.

Agreed on voice and style. Her style reminds me of old IU basketball broadcaster, Don Fischer...the "Flushman". There is a significant difference with how they speak as a person and then how they speak behind the mic. Vowels, enunciation, etc....and its annoying, IMO.

I thought maybe you were saying that you know AR is going to be Mahomes or Allen by the fact he played well during a scripted play opening drive. I think AR is showing to have the poise he showed in college. He has done better in the accuracy area than in college, but frankly, he seems less athletic then he looked...might have something to do with NFL caliber defender speed all over the field. I haven't seen him do any long balls to compare with what he did in college....against college speed defenders.

Yes, I know. And Young was great at a lot of things in college. Its very difficult to make that throw, and its obvious the way that HOU lit up JAX through the air, Ryans sees Stroud's passing ability differently than SS sees ARs passing ability...functions of what they want him to do.

I was talking about the concept of passing vs running for a QB. Never mind

That may be, but nobody is praising him for his passing right now, yet still are saying that he is a good QB right now.

Stroud dropped a 40 yard bomb between double coverage to set up a TD. If Trevor or AR tried that (college long ball "accuracy" aside), it would probably fall incomplete. Then they have to run about 10 plays to get that 40 yards, with lots of bad things that can happen.

Well, the good passers don't have to run as often as the bad ones. Stroud can run well enough, extend a play well enough. But successful pocket passing means that you don't have to do that. I mean, the ball gets across the Line to Gain sooner through the air than by carrying it, so give me the great passer over the great runner any day.