CopenhagenColt
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What don't we need, except a QB?
We're a very long way from being "The monster".
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we need a ss really bad zbikowski has been awful. we have a nt in chapman just have to get healthy.
Sure Chapman needs to get healthy, but the notion that this loss was down to Zibi is just plain stupid. Our defense doesn't blow because of Zibi, it just blows. We have average talent overall and without Freeney/Mathis firing on all cylinders we have zero elite players on the defensive side of the ball. Even players who are better than average (Vontae & Angerer) are out injured.
Why isn't anyone on here hammering Bethea? He has been performing well below what we should be able to expect and is easily as much at fault as is Zibi for our defensive problems, if not even more,
Today was just plain awful, attacking and defending.. This years Colts are a mediocre NFL team with a few top players/prospects, nothing more
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*.. So Tommy's not a Pro Bowler, but he didn't make any major mistakes today. Is there better safeties out there? Sure there are, but Zibi has done okay for us.
Before Tommy became the favorite scapegoat on this forum, a short while it was our entire CB crop that just blew chunks, just like Donald Brown/Anthony Castonzo and our entire O-line has had their share of critics, and some players are apparently beyond criticism, despite making errors, because of past performances and being forum favorites, like Bethea who, this season, hasn't played at the level we have come to expect from him.
It's a team effort out there, and unfortunately they can't all perform like Luck/Wayne did today all the time.
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None of our losses can be put down to the state of our safeties. So they haven't been perfect, in any possible meaning of the term, but what part of our team has?
So, yeah we could use an upgrade at safety, but doesn't that ring true for all other position with the exception of QB (provided we allow for Luck to grow and learn)?
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Funny how before the season everyone, well almost, was all about Amerson.
His stock has fallen, and you'ld be hard pressed to find someone on here that wants him picked first these days.
Let's wait and see how Chapman turns out before deciding we'll pick an NT (Hankins, Lolutelei) with an early pick.
Collie just got hurt bad, and may never play for us again -> Brings up a new situation and with a Reggie Wayne not getting any younger, we might consider a WR early
O-line could clearly need an upgrade.. Warmack seems interesting
Are we resigning Freeney? If not we need an elite OLB prospect (Jones, Mingo, Werner)
Do we believe in our CB's or go for elite prospects there? Doesn't seem like it should be top priority at the moment, and the quality is deep in the CB class.
For me, right now, I would like:
Warmack OG
Jones OLB
Mingo OLB
Te'o ILB
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Can't watch this anymore... Horrible
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Unbelievable...
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Seriously?
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The defense blows...
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Wasn't their D-lineman offside?
By a mile.. How the he.. did the refs miss it?
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Great start.. and great play by Powers there!
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Two weeks ago, "everyone" in here wanted Amerson to be our top priority in the draft. Now, after a single pre-season game, everyone is all about our O-line.. Just goes to show how quickly things can change.
Maybe our O-line will improve and gel during the season, and maybe our CB's will do just fine.. We might end up needing something completely different when it's time for the 2013 draft.
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teo is a good player but he's not worth picking when we have angerer who was top 5 in the nfl in tackling. we drafted fleener over upshaw even though upshaw was rated higher because te was a glaring need. the biggest need on our team now in order is cb,nt,rt,ss. most analyst have us at 6-10 which will be #7pick and if that happens will draft jarvis jones,mingo,or even keenan allen. i think will go 10-6 and draft eric reid ss out of lsu or nt star loutelei from utah.
And yet the analyst don't "know" where we will pick in the draft. It's a guess. Maybe we'll pick earlier, maybe we'll pick later.
Other teams might pick Jarvis Jones ahead of us. Some of the players mentioned in all these draft threads, could have serious injuries before then, just like players on our roster could (just like Ijalana).
What we "need" right now, might be quite different when it's time for the draft. Maybe we'll sign a couple of CB FA's, Chapman could very well be turn out to be our new NT and if Zbikowski/Bethea does well at safety, like I think they'll do, I doubt that we'll go for a SS in the first round.
All I'm saying is that there are way to many factors that could change before the 2013 draft, for us to claim with any kind of certainty what we need in the 2013 draft, or who we should be picking at that time. Let's not pretend otherwise.
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we will not draft a ilb no matter what pick we have angerer and conner are good. amerson and woods most likely will be off board so i think will go ss eric reid or nt star loutelei.
1 - We don't know when we'll pick.
We could pick first, we could @ number 20 and anything in between. At this point, it's way to early to call and it's pure speculation to try to predict anything before a single down has been played of the season. Maybe we will win 7 games, maybe we'll win two or three or maybe we'll witness "a perfect storm" and we'll reach the playoffs.. But at this point it's just guessing.
2 - You might think Angerer/Conner is "good", but speculating about how Grigson et al feels about them, compared to Te'o, is just that - Speculation. Some might argue that picking Patrick Willis @ 11th was a good move for the 49ers. Maybe even the best pick they could have made. Who's to say that, say, picking Te'o @ 11th wouldn't be the best move we can make when/if that time comes? So categorically dismissing that we'll pick a ILB/MLB seems a little premature.
If we pick first, there's no way we'll pick Te'o, but if we pick around 10-15th it's a completely different matter. Amerson, Woods, Rhodes, Allen, Jarvis Jones, Olutelei might very well be gone by then and that opens up a whole new perspective
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You may be entirely right....
Grigson may decide that drating Patrick Willis 11th overall has only been a good thing for the 49ers, and since we've been public about being good running the ball and good stopping the run, maybe that's what we do. I wouldn't ruled it out.
But I'd be somewhat surprised....
Fair enough?
Absolutely ;)
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Don't take my word for it.... I'm OK with that.... but look what the NFL says...
In this most recent draft, 2012....
DE taken... 19
OLB taken... 28
ILB taken.......... 8
We're talking the entire NFL draft... 8 inside linebackers. That's it. Half in the first 4 rounds. The other half in the last 3 rounds.
What does that tell you?
I hope it's clear, I like Manti Teo. I'm not a hater. But the NFL game has changed. His position is less important unless he can stay on the field for all 3-downs. And, he's got work to do to make sure that he can. Pass coverage is not a strength of his -- at least, not yet. It maybe by next April... but he's got to show it his senior year.
A wise man once said that statistics is similar to miniskirts.. It shows you something, but not the important parts.
Doesn't matter how many was drafted at what position. You still need great ILBs, just like you need great OLBs, CBs, WRs, QBs etc. Teo is pro-ready, and has the potential to be one of the very best at ILB in the league in a few years. If, and it's a big if, we draft around where he's expected to be drafted, he might very well be the BPA. Amerson will be gone, Woods will be gone and so will several others that would be great picks. The draft looks deep in the CB department next year, so why not grab a CB in the second, if Teo is BPA in the first when we get to pick? Heck, we might not even "need" a CB or an OLB by then...
If we pick at 1, 2 or 3 there will most likely be better options available, but if we pick around where Teo is expected to go it's a different story
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Whats Conner done to deserve being yanked out so far? If Amerson and Rhodes are both gone then I wouldnt be mad over the Teo pick but I still think there are better options based on needs that will be available
It's not about what anyone has deserved.. If a better player comes along, he starts and the player that used to start doesn't anymore, and I think Teo is the better player.
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Of course it matters.....
Context is everything. Back when Lewis was drafted, teams ran the ball more. You needed the inside/middle linebacker more. Now, with all the passing, you need to pressure the QB more. You get less pressure from an ILB than you do an OLB or a DE.
And yet Willis/Lewis still produce, and are still rated among the best football players on the defensive side of the ball in the NFL.
As for improving the defense... of course Manti would improve the defense. Not saying he wouldn't. But other players might improve the defense more. And that's the difference.Look... if Grigson loves the guy, and wants to trade back and collect more picks and take Teo a little bit lower in the first round, then I'm OK with that. But the modern NFL says inside linebackers are less important -- they've devalued the position -- and made other positions more important.
It is what it is....
It is what it is - That's true.. It's a difference of opinion between us.
I would still love having a truly elite ILB like Teo, and I think he would be better value than the best available CB/OLB if we pick around where Teo is expected to go.
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And what about Conner?
He wouldn't be in the starting lineup if Angerer was
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And what if Angerer has another year very similar to what he had last year?
Then he'll partner up with Teo and we'll have a solid defensive unit
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That's not what I said...
First, Ray Lewis wasn't even drafted in this Century. The game has changed quite a bit.
Second, both guys are exceptions to the rule...
Doesn't matter when Lewis was drafted.
What's exceptional about the two, is that they're true elite players. Not "run of the mill" NFL players, but among the very best defensive players. I think Teo has the potential to become a real elite defensive NFL player as well.
What really matters is that they produce on the field at the position we're talking about.
I'd prefer to take an ILB in a lower round than the first, and use the premium rounds on premium positions.... and on defense, that's pass rusher and corner...Hey, I didn't make the rules... that's the new modern day NFL....
Well, I don't agree. I think he would vastly improve our defense and I'm all about going for BPA, The depth in quality at WR/CB is much better than at ILB at the draft, so there's much more sense in drafting those in later rounds than the ILB position.
I would have Teo start for us and have Conner/Angerer battle it out for the other position.
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Wouldn't touch him..
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I'm not in favor of using a #1 pick on an ILB. The new era of the NFL has rendered the position less important.
Someone call Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis and let them know that they're not that important anymore....
I love the draft and player personnel decisions, but it's just so early now. Speculation now is just that. Speculation. So I try hard not to get too worked up about this one way or the other.Agree 100% - We have no idea when we'll pick in the draft, we don't know what will happen with regards to FA's, current players might leave, have breakout seasons, be cut, or quit football for one reason or another. So what we "need" right now, might not be a "need" when the 2013 draft comes along, and other "needs" might have become more pressing.
So while the top CB or WR all seems like interesting picks right now, we might have different needs come draft time, and if Dwight Freeney is no longer with us, we might want to focus on getting an elite prospect to replace him, even if there's a big step from being an elite college prospect, to being an elite NFL player like Freeney obviously is..
On topic - I would absolutely love Teo joining the Colts. He's a beast, and I have no doubt he will become an elite NFL player. I'm certain he would be a starter from day 1.
after this game what are your new season predictions for the colts? (resurrected)
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Even thinking about the Colts making the playoffs is just laughable.. You can't have seen much of the games this season if you think that's a viable scenario.