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LOL! Best result of Sunday with Fitz throwing 3 picks on his last 3 possessions. Steelers are the better team anyways and will make for a better playoff team. AFC is going to be fun ride this post-season.
Good for Rex!
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Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:
No, Denver beat Cincy!
Cincy only has 4 losses. Denver would have 5 if they lose today.
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6 minutes ago, chad72 said:
Do the Bengals move ahead if the Broncos win?
No. Only if Broncos lose. They would get 2 seed. But Chiefs could also West if Denver loses. Lots to still be decided.
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I don't think the Pats were tanking but they were definitely resting all their injured guys which was the smart move. They have been doing that for the last 2 weeks. IMO they are in better position as 2 seed as they will either get Houston, KC or Cincy. And Pitt has already beaten Cincy and Denver back to back. I am just hoping the offense can get going. It has been putrid the last few weeks. We will see if Edelman and Vollmer coming back can be the boost it needs.
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3 minutes ago, NFLfan said:
You are still talking about the last game. I did not ask for a summary of that game.
If the Vikes cannot stop the running game, then yes, they will lose. I am hoping Joseph will play, as that will bolster the run defense.
As for the penalties, that was out of character for the Vikes. We had been the least penalized team up to that point. All of a sudden, we got penalized for over 100 yards. That is not likely to happen again. Without the penalties that extended drives, we could have won.
You asked for why it is a bad match up? I am basing that on the only game they have played this season. GB dominated them up front on both sides. I don't see that changing as teams don't win when they can't win up front on either side. We will see how it plays out. GB has been vulnerable at home on top so maybe Minny can get an early lead or a turnover and gain momentum early. But just looking at the last game, GB should win this without much issue.
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Just now, dw49 said:
Is 8-8 and being a bad football team down the stretch after the great years headed in the right direction ? Quick hook yes , but stop arguing as I'm correct as usual. Yeah... Keep is crazy. I think maybe it was an example of the NFL "figuring it out." He and RG3 both went from great to terrible in a hurry. Do you remember those talking heads drawing their X's and O's on their chalk board and showing us how "this and that " could not be defensed ? The answer somewhat was kicking the snot out of the QB when he pulled it in and ran. Also I think maybe they made sure their LB's were a little more athletic ?
Jaws needs to make a national, public apology for declaring Kaep could be the greatest QB of all time. lol. He never gets called out on his extreme hyperbole. Why is that?
NFL defenses always figure offenses that are not predicated on traditional offensive football. The idea that a running QB was going to be more effective than a passing QB AND stay healthy was a myth that was proven rather quickly. I have always said and continue to say that the easiest way to beat a defense consistently is to have a QB that can drop back, read the defense, make a good decision and a good throw. It is fairly simple but so few guys that can do it.
You know with Manning riding the bench this week, I was thinking how a QB like him may never get looked at again because the colleges are so keen now on having athletic QBs. It is a shame as I think we are going to miss the cerebral brilliance of guys like him which will be a real shame for football going forward.
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17 minutes ago, NFLfan said:
You wrote that a couple of times. Please expound on the bolded. How do the Packers match up well? Then we can see if you were right. (Saying they lost the last game is not enough. Talk about the match ups.)
Both GB lines (O and D lines) dominated Minny which is what made the game so lopsided. GB rushed for 124 yards and its Dline sacked Teddy 6 times. Football is pretty simple game. If you can't win up front on either side of the ball you will lose badly and that is what happened along with Minny committing 110 yards in penalties to GBs 19.
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I do think GB is ripe for the picking but not vs Vikings. They match up really well with them. I expect Arizona to beat Seattle so we will be looking at the rematch of last years NFCCG in the wild card round which would be awesome.
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8 hours ago, dw49 said:
Harbaugh seemed to lose the team in 2014 and it finished the season at 8-8 . They looked terrible the last 5 games. So why am I wrong saying they are headed in the wrong direction ? Plus if he had any say in the draft process , that was blown big time. The niners had a bevy of draft picks in 2013 and blew that one. Plus their 2012 class was horrible also. Who's to say why he was fired but IMO you can't just come to the conclusion Curran threw out at us.
The owner of the niners cited a conflict of interest between him and Harbaugh and some of that was the culture Harbaugh created. I am not sure you can look at an 8-8 team and then say the team was headed in the wrong direction after 3 NFCCG appearances and a SB appearance.
I think with the niners the biggest issue was Kaep's regression. I would have been interested to see what Harbaugh would have done. He sat Smith down in what was a career season for Smith for Kaep and it was the right move as they got to the SB. He was very good at developing QBs and may have been able to find the next guy. He did pretty well at Michigan with a team he inherited.
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18 minutes ago, dw49 said:
OK... here's what I'm missing the point on.
1) Curran did an apples to oranges IMO. BB never pooped the bed like all these coaches that were fired. Harbaugh , Kelly and Shanahan all appeared to have their franchises heading in the wrong direction. I'm not sure they were fired because owners wanted their players "coddled."
2) As to Kraft's feelings being hurt and that made him loyal to BB. He got a SB win in Belicjicks 2nd year .. then another and then another. Three SB wins in his first 5 years. It's rare that Kraft let him do his thing ? Poppycock ... love that word.
Harbaugh did not have the niners headed in the wrong direction and was fired in part because his players did not like him. But let's face it he is also an egg head. Still, the niners are a mess now.
This is the thing. I am not sure you can draw linear lines with this which is why I liked the article. I do think the NFL is a culture of win now or else. That being said coaches like Marvin Lewis and Jeff Fisher seem to have nine lives.
I also think the Pats are an exception somewhat because of the luck of hitting on Brady and winning that first ring so soon. That being said, I wanted Bill fired in 2001. After the 5-11 season and Bledsoe's recession, I did feel like he was repeating what was happening in Cleveland. When he put Brady in, the media circus was unreal. Bledsoe was Kraft's boy, often referred to him as his son. So it took a lot for Kraft to stand by and let Bill make that decision. Of course when the SB came in just a few months later, Bill pretty much had free reign but many still did question if trading Bledsoe was the right move and keeping Brady especially after the Pats failed to make the playoffs in 2002.
I think owners are quick to give the hook but I also don't think the next Belichick is being prevented either necessarily. I do think Kelly should have gotten another season in Philly with a new QB.
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15 minutes ago, NFLfan said:
Nope. We play to win.
Of course. I was just suggesting that given how badly Seattle beat Minny a few weeks ago. More favorable match up with Skins I would think. But I am sure Minny would like to win the division. A home playoff game is also pretty sweet.
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13 hours ago, Bogie said:
If Minnesota plays as awful as they did the first game, GB won't have any problems.
The important factor here is that either outcome will probably end up being a wildcard rematch a week later. If I was Minnesota, I wouldn't even bother, just rest starters and play for next week when it's the playoffs. GB typically is weak in the playoffs.
If Seattle loses to Arizona then they are the sixth seed. So Seattle would travel to either GB or Minny for the WC round. If I was Minny I would lose and take my chances going to DC to play the Skins.
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53 minutes ago, -JJ- said:
True. I would add the general themes is 3 years to build a winning team. He was surprised it happened in 2 years with 2001 SB.
His real dream tho was a plug and play team. Ever mindful injures are a fact of football life. When they won Carolina SB with one starting safety left and that was Harrison with a broken arm, he doubled up in secondary the next year.
Not sure when the plug n' play actually started but I saw it in around 08-09. He wanted a team he could plug in pieces as they went down or didn't play well. He achieved that "entire" plug n play somewhere around 2010
He was fortunate though to win in 2001. That was not a championship team with a 6th round pick in Brady coming off the bench and all the FAs that played above their heads. That defense was probably the worst of the run and yet played its best football in the post-season. I don't remember looking at 2001 and thinking Bill had done this amazing job as a GM or a coach. Everything kind of fell into place and Brady played well above everyone's expectation with the comebacks in the post-season and of course Adam.
I do think that one thing that makes the Pats unique is Kraft. He had said when he inherited Parcells that he had no intention of ever hiring another coach. When Parcells told him he was leaving after the 4th season it really hurt Kraft who is a man that believes in loyalty. So I think with Belichick, he was willing to give the rope he was not willing to give Parcells or Carroll in terms of the GM position and then let him do his thing. I do think that part is rare and probably not fair to compare to today's landscape and ownership.
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15 minutes ago, The Old Crow said:
Its a good stretch , no doubt. Think about the 58-71 Baltimore Colts though. You are right , they aren't considered a dynasty , but they won three NFL Titles and a Super Bowl during the Packers dynastic era. The Landry Cowboys and Allen Rams were also around. Some very tough rivals back then .
What do you want to see the Ravens do this off-season?
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Just now, csmopar said:
It is a really valid topic and good article. I'm agreeing with it and the Bill is a great coach thinking. Just editorializing a tad. I'm a history buff, in everything including sports. I love a Dynasty team and as much as I can't stand the Pats, they are the one. Just sucks with all the hoopla taking away from it is all I'm saying.
But back to the topic.
Pagano is a decent coach, not sure he'll ever be the next great coach, nor Kelly. Question is, who is most likely to develop if given the chance
I am a history buff too. That is why I enjoyed this piece. I do wonder about Kelly. I was not a fan of many of his moves but he was trying to build something and change a culture and then dismissed. Perhaps he was hurting the team but much of what Kelly was criticized for was said about Bill early on minus the racial stuff.
So you like Pagano? I think he is a pretty good coach. It is hard to tell how limited he has been due to Grigson. It is difficult for any team to find that right GM/HC relationship.
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Just now, csmopar said:
Yeah, that's why I'm thinking the Colts need to wait out Pagano, get rid of Grigson.
As good as hoodie is and he's great, he's hurt his legacy to everyone outside of Pats fans with his cheating or accusations of cheating. That's what gets me with Spygate and the Deflategate, Bill is a football genius and never needed to cheat or attempt to cheat, bend rules whatever you want to call it. He'll beat 99% of coaches/teams straight up. That is what angers me so badly about him and the Pats.
You have stated your anger over the Pats cheating time and again. Can we try to keep this thread to the topic at hand as I think it is a really good one with black Monday approaching.
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This is a very insightful piece by Tom Curran who is a reporter for the Pats and also a Pats honk. That being said, he raises some great points in this story about whether the NFL has the patience to let the next "Belichick" develop. Much of what Curran speaks about here was alluded to on the Chip Kelly firing thread. Would love to hear what folks think about Currans assumptions in this story. I think he is spot on in many respects. The "win now" mentality and players being coddled could prevent the next great coach.
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10 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
I have been saying Brady for a few weeks now and was thinking the only way Cam gets it is if the Panthers go undefeated but after the Pats lost again last week I have feeling Cam will get it now. I know Panthers lost as well so who knows? I think it's a 2 guy race between Cam and Brady. I haven't voted yet at the top. I want to see what happens this Sunday first. They may end up being Co-MVP's like McNair and Peyton were in 2003?? Brady still has the much better stats regarding Passing Yards and Passing TD's.
Brady has a couple of things working against him. His W/L record and the fact that he has won MVP two other times with 2 of the most historic seasons in football history. I think things may come down to this final week. IF Cam loses again or has a poor showing even in a win then I think the door opens for both Brady and Palmer if the both win and win impressively. I believe it should be a split between Brady and Newton at this point but I doubt it happens. If Cam wins it then he deserves it. He has had an unbelievable season.
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I can't imagine Manning would ever want to work for Irsay again. I think if he stays in football it will probably be with the Titans.
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11 hours ago, The Old Crow said:
I have, Rosenbloom had the same amount of Championships in
less years.
Sure, equal on championships but Kraft has 7 SB appearances, 7 conference championships, 14 division championships and his teams have appeared in 36 playoff games with 24 wins. There is no other owner in a 20 year span who has achieved more.
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11 hours ago, The Old Crow said:
The Patriots didn't win when there were a dozen teams. My point is historically, the NE franchise with 4 titles in 55 years pales next to Green Bay, for example. When I look at teams or franchises, I take a longer look than a ten year window.
I had already agreed with your point on history. Pats have only been around since 1960 and even though they have made Super Bowls every decade since the 80's, they are not the Packers for sure. My main point has been this dynastic run which has been in the best in NFL history and still going. Bill and Brady are the best HC/QB duo in NFL history as well. But, I am not arguing overall franchise history. Pats have not been around long enough but if their success continues post-Brady then they can make a legit claim as the best of all time. We will see how it all pans out but this run which has occurred during the prime of my life (I am 41) has been absolutely thrilling. I know you lived through Unitas so I am sure you can relate.
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1 hour ago, The Old Crow said:
In your opinion
No, it is fact. Look at each owners records.
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1 hour ago, The Old Crow said:
The Patriots also had many a lousy stretch between 1960- 2000. The bad stretch of the Baltimore Colts you referred to occurred between 1972-1983, but still included three AFC East Division Championships . By the way, as you know, the Patriots were in that division. Between 1984-1995, we had no football, and since 96, the Ravens have had 2 Super Bowls in 20 years, versus 4 Championships for the Patriots in 55 years. Obviously, this is the best era of Patriot football, but overall it pales in comparison to Packer history, or the two separate eras of NFL football in Baltimore that produced 6 NFL Championships over 50 years .
I am not really sure what you are driving at. The dynastic teams of the NFL are the Steelers, Niners, Cowboys and Pats. Colts are not on that list. That is not to say you don't have a rich history but winning when the league was comprised of a dozen teams back then is not comparable to the 32 of today and no cap or FA either. That is what makes the Pats run the best of them all - the era where the league is designed for every team to finish 8-8 where teams turn over every 3 years.
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2 minutes ago, The Old Crow said:
I will point out that owner Carroll Rosenbloom won three NFL Championships and a Super Bowl between 1953-1971, over 18 years as Baltimore Colts owner.
A great run but still second to Kraft.
Are the Patriots tanking the #1 seed?
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No Pats are 2. They have tie breaker over Cincy even if Denver wins. Pats locked up bye after they beat Tenn.