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No one is afraid to draft luck. If you can make your team exceptionally better OVERALL , why not do it? Look how being so qb dependant has done to us? Trading the pick and getting ANYTHING you want back from is better than drafting a backup qb 1st over for his 1st 2-3 years. and its not like Luck is the only franchise qb in this draft... There will be plenty more to come in the next few years. I personally think matt barkley has more upside than luck. We could snag him with one of the many picks we get back in the trade
LOL right. look at what having a QB dependent franchise has gotten us. The most wins out of any team in the past decade with 2 SB trips and 1 win.
Barkley displays less arm strength and struggles throwing to his left (I as well as the "experts" have pointed this out as well).
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In this situation..wouldnt you think manangement would give the entire group a year to make amends?
If you revamp the coaches...you're saying 2-14 was the real team and 10-7 and 16-3 were just flukes, right?
Yes because the 2-14 team didn't have Peyton while the other two teams did. This team should not of had THAT much of a dropoff due to Peyton being out.
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My whole arguement with the whole "Peyton would have to learn a new system and coach" is that look at what happened when Dungy came in. He was told to not touch the offense and really never did while he was here. Tell the new coach the same thing and go with it. I mean if he wants to critique manning on some things and give some suggestions here and there, im sure peyton wouldnt mind that.
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You haven't seen the tape? It was on channel 13 last night.
Don't really have time to catch the local news like that man. How was it since im assuming you saw it?
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So I'm sure by now we all heard Polian speak about Peyton throwing around in that "scripted" practice session.
My question here is how did Peyton actually look? Was he actually making good, accurate passes with the zip we are accustomed to seeing or did Peyton not have any of those traits?
Another question I have is if he did look good or not, does Polian not want him to play because it would be meaningless to the standings anyway?
I say Polian needs to put that video on youtube so we can see (kidding obviously) but still!
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I would compare it to a group of high school students that could basically do pretty much anything they want with a substitute teacher that they could run over as opposed to a stern hard nosed teacher who would be better for their overall well being. .
With Caldwell, Manning has carte blanche on the field, and I'm sure that is something that he relishes. He might not have that with a real NFL coach. With that said, he doesn't have control over Caldwell making erroneous decisions, mistakes and bad choices.
I would also view such a comment skeptically as Manning just being a professional and supporting his current head coach as opposed to an unabashed point of view.
I would have to agree with this. The problem is, this team shouldn't have to rely on Peyton and the other core players to be the leaders because it showed this year that when Peyton went down, no one else really stepped up. Its like Peyton was the President and Freeney and everyone else was his cabinet but when the President stepped out for awhile, no one had a clue wth to do.
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Okay this thread is just getting full of Luck haters.
My question is why are people so afraid of us to get him? Do people not get the idea that the NFL is a business and if you can secure your next 10/ maybe 15 years at the most important position in the game, why not?
You people want us to go all in these next 2-3 years and HOPE to get a championship? What happens after that? We go back into obscurity for the next 5-10 years after Peyton is gone and all of our fan base can sit and reminisce about the good ol' days right? No. I want this team to be good the next 15 years with Peyton for the next 2-3 and the years after with Luck.
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As much as I LIKE CALDWELL AS A PERSON and am sure he's a great guy to sit back and talk to about life, he's just not a good HC. I wouldnt mind keeping him on board as our QB's coach because of his relationship with Peyton but he cant be the HC anymore. Even if we win out which i hope to God we don't.
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Yes. The tie-breaker would be based on the SOS. Whomever has the easiest schedule (based on opponents records), gets the pick. As of today, we have the easiest schedule. Only MINN is close to us and with SD winning last night, that put us in a better spot. "IF" we can win one more game, the #1 is ours.
Okay well in that case I can still cheer for another win
!Can that SOS change over the next two weeks though even if we win just one?
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So let me get this straight, If we win 1 out of the next 2, we can still get the #1 pick?
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For the players this year we have discussed being their make it/break it year:
Painter - I think he is gone. No reason they would keep him.
Brown - He is good against bad defenses, but can't do anything against good defenses. Let's face it, that 80 yard TD was luck on a broken play. I am glad it happened in our favor, but serious? He has had good games against bad defenses, but most players should. So being a change of pace guy could still be possible, but HE ISN'T THE SAVIOR AT RB!
Gonzo - Yeah, he is gone. Hasn't even played
Addai - We need someone that can stay healthy, I would not have an issue with them letting him walk and maybe grabbing someone out there on the market.
Wheeler - What can I say, I think he is the biggest improvement of any player. He has proven finally that he can play in the NFL. I think he finally earned his spot. I love our LB's!!!!
Lacey - Good game yesterday, but let's face it, under our defensive scheme, he isn't that good. Kinda like Tim Jennings, we all wanted him gone, but look how good/decent he is in Chicago on a good defense? Lacey could be the same way.
Hughes - Healthy scratch for weeks and has really been horrible for a lot of him playing. I don't see a reason to keep him.
I might have missed a few, but on that list, Wheeler is the only one that I would want them to keep right now.
I think one thing person people are forgetting too is Dallas Clark. Otherwise I would have to completely agree with that list.
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I don't think so. He was extraordinarily stubborn in his refusal to blitz (except for extremes), and his desire for smaller and faster players all over the field on defense.
I think he was a good head coach. I just think he needed a coordinator who would challenge him to step outside of his comfort zone.
That was the whole point of his scheme or did you not ever see a single Dungy era interview?
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The top part is not true at all, I don't know how many times I've heard people talking about Luck and they said he uses a system based on what the Colts use even down to the check with him at the line plays that Peyton does to the point annoucers were amazed in games that a college QB could handle that. I remember Harbaugh talking about that when he was still the head coach at Stanford saying that they used what the Colts did on offense as what they built their offense on for Luck.
When I say check with me I mean the play calling at the line that Manning does and no most QBs do not do that. For years people have been amazed that Manning does it and I know I watched the last three Standford games this year and they were saying Luck was calling plays at the line just like Manning does because they were talking about how that would help him if he ended up in Indianapolis.
I didn't argue that RGIII wasn't in a pass first offense. I said it was the spread offense which it is. The spread offense is a pass first offense but it is also a college offense that doesn't do well in the pros and isn't what we do on offense either. Like I also said in my post it doesn't mean RGIII can't be good in the pros either though.
Luck doesn't NEED the run to be a good QB, he just happens to have a good running game why not use it? Are you going to tell me that when Edge was leading the league in rushing for two years that Peyton Manning needed that to be a good or did he just use it since he had it? Honestly I agree with what some other people are saying people are now just trying to invent stuff to discredit Luck.
Is Luck's offense an exact clone of what the Colts do on offense? No it's not you are right about that. With that said, it's closer to what the Colts do on offense than what RGIII has done in college and based on what people are saying Luck is a better fit for our system than RGIII is. When guys are close on talent those kinds of things are a tie breaker. IF the QB we take is going to back up Manning it makes more sense to take the guy who is closer to him which is Luck. If Manning can't come back and the guy has to start right away again it makes more sense to take the QB who is more familiar with our system to fit the other guys on our team which again is Luck. I don't think our offense is that bad if we fix the QB spot I think the offense will be back to it's old self so to me we take the guy who fits it better and that is Luck.
Also listen to people who again eat, breath, and live this stuff and whose job is to know this stuff. 99.9% of them aren't even questioning that Luck is going to be the first pick because he's the better QB. About the only people I see saying we should take RGIII are fans. I said in another thread I think RGIII is the Ryan Leaf to Peyton Manning his senior season. The guy who came out of no where while people were nit picking Peyton Manning and they wanted another QB on his level. With that said I do think RGIII is going to be better in the pros than Leaf was because I think Leaf failing had more to do with mental issues than anything else and I don't think RGIII has those but I do think Luck is the better of the two.
Also the Colts aren't going to draft or not draft a player based on what is good for the player. They are going to draft or not draft guy based on what is best for them. If Luck is that guy they are going to draft him rather it's in Luck's best interest to play right now or not. Also, what makes you think RGIII or any other first round QB in this draft is going to be willing to sit more than Luck is? Also I am not sure if whoever we take is going to sit all four years. Frankly the Colts might Montana Manning in a couple of years and once it's clear that the other guy is ready they might very well deal Manning at the end of his deal and play the new guy not unlike what the 49ers did with Montana when he came back from injury but it was clear Young was ready. Also I don't think the new pick is going to sit like Painter or Sorgi have sat where they did nothing. I would look for the rookie to get snaps in practice and maybe even have a package or two developed for them.
I completely agree with this post and the part I highlighted raises a question not too many people take into account. People are quick to say "well he wouldn't be taken #1 overall so he wouldn't mind sitting." Where have you ever seen him say that? I mean people are quick to jump and say no one has seen concrete evidence that Luck would be willing to sit behind Peyton. My question is, where is all this concrete evidence that RGIII would sit if we drafted him? Don't come back with the draft position nonsense because he would be arguably the 2nd best player available and more than likely would want to start wherever he lands.
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I've discussed my opinions on Luck before and what I think we should do with the #1 pick. I've discussed it to the point I'm sick of discussing it. My opinion about Luck though had nothing to do with the reason I posted in this thread. I posted in this thread to state my opinion which is that we learned nothing about Luck's intentions from this article/video. He said a lot without saying anything at all, which is what generally happens when the media interviews players/coaches/owners. The media is always trying to get the scoop and find out what it is that a player really wants, but a smart and professional player is never going to give the media what the media wants. There was no way Luck was going to come out and say that he wants to be a Colt and he has no problem being #2 on the depth chart behind Manning just like there was no way he was going to come out and say he wants to play right away so he would force a trade.
Duh Sherlock. No one said this gurantees he wants to be a Colt but it also shows that he isn't opposed to the idea either like many (NOT YOU IN PATICULAR) have stated he is.
My opinion is that we didn't learn anything from this interview and to think that we did is wishful thinking. People who want Luck to come in and sit behind Manning may see this interview as proof that Luck will be fine with that because he said:
And at the same time, people who don't want us to take Luck may see this interview as proof that Luck would force a trade because he'd want to play right away since he said:
My opinion is that anyone who "learned" anything about Luck's intentions from this interview are grasping at straws. I have no idea what Luck plans to do...just like no one else here has no idea what Luck plans to do. People can speculate all they want but using this interview as proof one way or another is just grasping at straws.
You are correct that I inferred 4 more years of Manning because that's my opinion. Your opinion is:
. I disagree. In my opinion, if Manning is 100% and is able to return then he'll play out the remaining 4 years on his contract.
And how do you infer he could play out the remaining 4 years? For one its a 5 year deal with the last 2 being optional. With that said, 3 is more than likely the fair number of years to give Peyton. Maybe he could play those out but its hard to see it being at a high level considering most QB's that are in his age range in history see a dimishisment in play level. There have been only a few QB's to play into their 40's and those that did weren't exactly elite to begin. (Flutie and Testeverde come to mind).
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And do you seriously think that IF Luck decided he didn't want to sit for 4 years that he's going to come out and say "heck no I don't want to sit that long, I want to play now so if the Colts try to draft me I'll refuse to sign!"? No, of course he wouldn't so it works both ways. ;) I simply said that he didn't indicate any eagerness to sit behind Manning. He said that in some situations that sitting and learning has worked out but in other situations playing right away has worked out. If you want to read more into his comments than that then go right ahead. People can speculate all they want as to what they think will happen but using that interview as "proof" one way or another is just foolish.
But he also infered that he wouldn't be opposed to sitting either. You are however infering that Peyton has 4-5 years left which in all likelyhood isn't true. I would be willing to bet if next year Peyton comes back and we magically win the Super Bowl, he'd retire. Luck is showing to be once in a generation type player. Once again I say you have nothing to contribute other than adding to your insanly high post count. You simply repeat said information and never input anything other than stating you really don't know which way to speculate. You are on a forum, its okay to state your opinion once in a while bud.
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Very true, the ones that don't want to see Luck here because they think they're smarter than the experts and would have us draft much less talented players. Like I said in another post, we better listen to the "experts" here on on this forum because they are obviously better at evaluating talent after they read a few scouting reports and watched some youtube highlights to make their determinations. :rolleyes:
Lol not to name any users in particular of course..
But overall this to me shows that he would be fine in ANY situation hes put into. Whether thats starting or sitting. And as "luck" would have it, we just might end up with that #1 pick to take him. People are blind to history and realize that certain teams in the league build their teams a certain way and continue to do that over time. We are no different to this notion.
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Where did Luck indicate he was eager for this type of succession? I know my post is going to get downplayed and ripped apart by some people who are going to say I'm making things up or that I'm only reading into it what I want to read into it but really that's not the case.
Luck basically didn't say anything. He said on one hand it could be worthwhile to sit and learn but on the other hand it's also "very possible to start" (his words). He didn't say anything about what HE wants to do or thinks would be best for him. Maybe he's open to the idea of sitting behind Manning and maybe he's not. I'm not trying to speculate one way or another because based on his comments, there's no way to speculate.
You seriously have nothing to say ever. All you ever do in every thread is repeat information and say "theres no way to speculate" on anything. If you have nothing contributing to say other than basically saying you have no idea what to speculate, stay off the forum lol
Like do you seriously think hes gonna come out and say "OH YEAH DUDE MY PARENTS KNOW THE MANNINGS REALLY WELL AND ID LOVE TO GO AND SIT BEHIND PEYTON FOR A FEW YEARS!!!11" Please tell me you have more common sense than that.
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I agree. I don't mean to dump on the Colts but I never understood the decisions made that season and why management seemed reluctant to let their coaches and players go for broke. Maybe they saw the tremendous pressure that the Patriots were under in 2007, and how that grew with every week that passed, but what makes a player or a team great is how that player or that team responds to the pressure of a high-stakes situation.
Besides, it wasn't like the Patriots lost the Super Bowl because Brady got injured while they were trying to go 16-0. They lost because the Giants played better that day, plain and simple. NY earned the win, fluky helmet catches aside, and that's all anyone can really say about it.
Maybe so. I really wish they would have gone for it and now that we are on the cusp of 0-16 it feels even worse. Emotions aside, I think they didn't go for it because they feared injury the same way they did in 2005.
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ben didn't really do much at all to win the sbs that first year. he got carried almost every game because of that defense. i will say that now they win with their defense and also because of ben, but that defense has been top-notch for many many years.
He still made the throws when he had to and played some pretty good games in the playoffs minus the SB for that year.
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But as we see in this league, build a great team all you want, unless you have someone behind center who can lead that team and be productive...nothing else matters. Look at chicago this year, they were rolling and probably headed to the playoffs and now no QB and no hope. Look at Philly, went out got all this talent yet their QB can't stay healthy and play and they have 4 wins. You get your QB and then build around him.
Completely agree. The QB is what makes the show go. Look at the Steelers in the mid 90's to early 2000's. They had a great defense that got them to the playoffs and even the SB one year but they couldn't ever finish the job because of the QB position. Then when they got Rothlisberger they finally (as much as I hate the Steelers) started to win championships.
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1) The only hire from within the Colts made was with Caldwell
2) Gonzo still being on the team has nothing to do with where he went to college
3) Tressel is still old and not an NFL guy. No way they hire him to be the next HC.
1. Not exactly. Chris Polian, I believe Christensen was promoted to his current position from within as well.
2. Maybe. Also look at all the other Ohio State players we've grabbed over the years. Quinn Pitcock, Roy Hall to name a few.
3. Age has nothing to do with it. I will agree that he hasn't ever worked at the NFL level but thats 50-50 sometimes with college coaches panning out in the league.
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wow.....just....wow
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I can't believe it, he still doesn't understand what you are saying. Adam Noucateri, when he says picking at the beginning of each round is like picking at the end of each round in front of it, then that means the 33rd is like having the #32 pick. How can you not see that? Having the first pick in every round other than the 1st is not that great if you don't get to use the 1st overall pick on anything valueable.
No its not. Numerically they are similiar but the position dictates the talent avaliable in the round.
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so it doesn't? Just stop and get off the forum
So The Question Is.. How Did Peyton Actually Look In The Throwing Session?
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LOL DONT FOOL WITH ME ON PEYTON MANNING STUFF :player: