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Buying my Luck jersey tomorrow!
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Some of you seriously sound insane. The Colts are going to take Luck and have him sit behind Peyton. Peyton will be fine with this as will Luck. Wait and see folks.
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"keep jim caldwell"
um no
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Drafting RG3...
YES!
Actually I want Luck sry
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This must be a sign. Triplets=3. 3 Wins. 3 QB's on the roster. 3 days out of a 7 seven day week.. See where im going here?
BYE BYE #1 PICK
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..dont say he couldnt learn from Manning because the offense was different.....Its the concept.....we will roll out more...we will incorporate the QB's mobility...
.....Griffin could learn how to adjust and read pro defenses and tricks at the line from Manning....
..and the experinece he would gain watching it done live would be invaluable...and Manning could design a hybrid attack for him
...again....His TD/INt ratio is very low .....He takes care of the ball. Watch him inthe bowl..
the more you watch him...the more you are converted
Luck can do all the of the same things while already having experience in a similar-ran system. Heck half of Stanfords passing plays seem like they involve Luck rolling out in some sort of fashion which is what the league is becoming more nowadays (see Texans and Packers).
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Let me explain this to you. Luck is a college football player. He plays for Stanford. He plays football, usually on Saturdays. He wins the games that he plays, all but one this year. Last year he won the Fed Ex Orange Bowl and has won numerous awards this year. He has won more games than RGIII.
Get Wrecked.
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OT- I never really hope the Colts lose a game but this is seriously the one and only time I am contemplating wanting them to win. The rewards of getting that #1 pick, whether it ends up being Luck or trading the pick, are insurmountable.
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Do you actually think that the situations are comparable, or are you just trying to be ornery? There are people in Tibet who neither speak English nor follow football who know that Luck would be Manning's successor. Being discrete about the subject would hardly be warranted.
They actually are very comparable. The difference being their position but still the same mindset. Gonzo was brought in (as you said) to eventually replace Marvin. Luck would be brought in (As I said) to eventually replace Peyton. What would warrant them being silent about Marvin then? The colts obviously felt prior to the 2007 season that Marvin still had a few seasons left (prior to his knee issue) so they thought Gonzo could be used in the slot to replace stokely and go back to how our offense was run in late 2003/2004. Not to mention WR's are more readily avaliable and replaceable in the league than say, a HOF QB.
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Considering that Stokely had just been released, obviously that was where he was intended to start out as I previously suggested. Polian's comment does nothing to change my position. Did you think he was going to step to the podium and announce that the draft pick was intended to replace an all-pro quality legend already on the roster? It doesn't work that way. The fact is, however, that Stokely was a fourth round pick (as was Collie). Heck, Welker was an UFA, and I'm having trouble evening thinking of the names of any other slot receivers from around the league. It's just not a position that you invest a first round draft pick on. It is, however, often where you put young receivers while you develop them.
Really? Wait and see when we draft Luck what Polian says at the podium.
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Good question. I haven't been able to watch the games, but I would like to know what he is doing. Is he being aggresive? Using man coverage? Blitzing? Moving the linebackers around?
It didn't seem like we did any of that against the Patriots, Mike Murphy's first game as defensive coordinator. Why the sudden improvement?
They stopped playing Tampa 2 every down
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Okay... and you made that up. I'd say it's a whole lot less than that. A lot of starting quarterback don't last very long.
Yeah I would say its probably between 6-9.
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I think he really is just having the defense play more aggressive in certain situations and using a lot more man coverage like we did in the past in certain situations.
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Let me put it like this:
-For one, Gonzo was never drafted to replace Marvin. BP specifically stated in the moments after drafting Gonzo that he (gonzo) would be the perfect replacement to Brandon Stokely.
-Otherwise I agree on the notion that the 2007 draft pretty much sucked.
-Oh and I'm on the draft Andrew Luck train.
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I would like to know when this type of drafting has happened in the past.....that being a future hall of famer still playing at a high level while a team takes a #1 pick on a QB. Please tell. BTW, if you say he isn't still playing at a high level...how do you know he won't? Next, if he isn't...likely he won't be the QB considering his age/contract/etc. PM is not going to become nurse maid for the new kid. Not happening.
You're fried. There hasn't be an exact situation with a HOF already the starter but there has been times where top QB draft picks have sat.
-Carson Palmer #1 overall when he was drafted sat behind Jon Kitna for awhile.
-Jake Locker isn't starting right away and is currently sitting behind Hasslebeck in Tenn.
-Ben Rothlisberger sat a few games and was anticipated to sit for quite some time till Maddox got hurt and he was forced to go in.
-Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre.
-Tim Tebow (although not a high pick but was still a 1st rounder) sat behind Orton before just recently getting the nod.
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1. No one is suggesting he trades the pick for proven vets (most teams wouldn't anyway).
I agree no one is saying that, but it is an option when you weigh out the potential "rewards" for trading it.
2. The picks wouldn't help in the short term? Neither would Luck, as he wont be playing for years, so your point is irrelevant, Mr. Polian.
More or less 2-3 seasons IF Peyton even comes back from this injury. What he is implying is that if we get someones 2013/2014's 1st rounder, that player wouldn't have an impact till atleast a season or two AFTER he's drafted. Meanwhile it is to be the current expectation that Luck would be playing by the 2013/2014 season. Also he stated that the future picks wouldn't BE on the IMMEDIATE team. Luck would be on the immediate team. His impact however would still need to be determined per say Manning's health.
3. No one is suggesting grabbing a bunch of low picks. I believe most people are looking for a combination of additional 1st and 2nd round picks, as well as an inexpensive player or two.
Which would actually end up costing more money in which Polian stated, we don't have the cap room for. We do however have enough room to pick up Luck as we signed Kerry Collins for around the same type of money this year and was still able to carry Peyton on the roster.
As an aside, I love how the Luckies hate everything Polian says, and discredit it at every turn, but when he sounds set on keeping the first pick, suddenly he's intelligent and knows what he's doing.
Where are you getting this notion from?
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What are the odds of ever getting a chance that any franchise would an opportunity to replace a legend with a potential legend. 25 years of stellar QB play, you have to take Luck and the rest will work itself out.
This
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http://espn.go.com/b...ding-a-top-pick
Polian:“I can’t imagine that there are players that we could afford under the salary cap that would come in and help our team, veteran players that would be available in such a trade. And if you traded it for picks, which you probably would be wise to do, those picks would be very high picks, the highest picks perhaps, in a lot of future years, which means that they wouldn’t be on the team in the short run.
“Somehow or other, that theory, people have asked me about that, but it doesn’t hold water with me. I don’t know what you get out of it. If you’re assuming that you trade one of the top three picks in the draft for a bunch of second- and third-rounders in that same draft, I don’t buy that one at all.”
Sounds like to me if we still land that top pick we are going to more than likely keep it and take Luck. Just sayin'
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I said in another thread that everything could indeed change if Irsay wises up and cans the Polians. I would like to see Luck in a Colts uniform, but if Irsay cleaned house and brought in a different GM then it is entirely possible they could go in a different direction, but I find it highly unlikely Irsay will fire Bill or Chris.
Man you know people are just searching for ways to hope we trade the pick. The only person that could get shown the door after this season is Caldwell. The Polians will in all likelyhood stay and therefore take Luck on the notion of that interview you posted.
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from http://espn.go.com/b...ding-a-top-pick
On Peyton Manning’s progress: “He is improving, he can throw the ball with good velocity for about 30 to 35 throws in a limited area, 25 to 30 yards. That’s a lot better, almost 100 percent better, than he was in September before he underwent this surgery.”
Polian said Sunday that Manning could practice some next week and it would be for the quarterback to decide. According to Polian, the work would amount to throwing routes to uncovered receivers or pass-catchers working one-on-one against defenders and that such work is “up to him, not critical.”
So really, like the poster above you said, Peyton is looking a lot better than he did in September but its just the smart route to go in shutting him down.
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We don't drift back into obscurity. We are fortifying our weaker positions and setting up the building blocks to multiple Super Bowl runs when we draft a QB after Peyton leaves, he won't have as much pressure on him to pull a win out of his *** and make up for others lack of presence, deficiency and incompetence to where as if we draft Andrew and he is as proclaimed, we will be drafting 26+overall and continue to have the problems we are having now and having our whole team being reliant on and revolve around him.
The way I see it, 1st, 2nd, 3rd you draft starters whilst the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th rounds you draft depth.
Okay and if we keep Peyton alone and go out these next few seasons on top, we are going to be finishing 26th+ every year too. With that said, how in the world do you propose we get a good QB that high? Don't come back and say "well Rodgers fell that far so it could happen again!" because A. Rodgers had a lot of work that needed to be done on him before he was even ready to be a starter. B. He fell EXTREMELY far down the in the draft, the chances of us getting a good QB at that position are highly unlikely.
Secondly, don't try and say well we could trade down because that would essentially be un-doing the works of the possible trade this year that so many people want us to do. Not to mention there was a team by the name of the Jets that did that most recently and look at where they are sitting at with Sanchize.
Oh and just a little FYI, Polian more than likely wouldn't trade the top pick anyway.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/32165/polian-not-high-on-trading-a-top-pick
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I have seen both Luck and Barkley play and they both have strong arms. Barkleys actually looks like it has more zip, and has no problem throwing to his left. Stop reading what "experts" say and watch him yourself. and barkleys a year younger and imo has way more upside as hes a bit more raw. There is just no point to waste a 1st ovr pick on a qb when the team clearly has holes everywhere. We could take barkley with one of the picks in the trade
I can gurantee you I have seen more tape of both Luck and Barkley than you and have come to the conclusion that Luck is better. I don't just look at arm strength either as there is a whole lot more to be studied. I've worked as a mentor at some camps here in the city as well at my former high school, Warren Central. I'm not saying Im anymore knowledgeable than the experts but seeing as I played the position as well as coached the position, I have a little understanding of it. and understand what makes a QB good. Luck's moblity outside and inside the pocket is better than Barkley's. Luck has done more with less talented recievers as well. Yes he has a pretty good line but Barkley's isn't a joke either. Barkley also makes mistakes that QB's at any level shouldnt be making.
Ie. the stanford game where he threw all the way across his body and had the pass intercepted.
And no, Luck would not handicapp the franchise money wise at all nor would he really cost anymore than taking Barkley would. Read the new Rookie CBA rules before you make that jump.
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Wow that Indy Star article does not make me feel good about Peyton's future...
Why? If anything Caldwell's comment especially enlightnening because hes basically saying that Peyton will be doing practice runs but just by himself and not with the actual team so that Painter and Danny can get all the reps.
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yeah and Look how bad this team is without their qb.....
Okay and if thats so, why don't we go out and get the next best QB so that in the event that Peyton doesn't play at any time over the rest of his career we arent stuck in this position?
Andrew Luck Is Hitting His Head Against The Table Right Now...
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Lol people that say Luck could be a bust are extremely one sided. I could easily come out and say RG3 or any other QB in the next 3 years could be a bust. IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE