Warhawk
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I always thought the Colts never put him the right position to succeed he was great at catching out of the backfield
I do agree that Brown hasn't been used to the best of his abilities, though I still don't think he's really anything special.
Well, we have a new OC this year, so, we'll see if maybe Brown fits into this system better.
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Probably just Werner and Thornton (I'm not really counting KR). But, obviously, number of starters is not necessarily the best way to judge a draft class (I mean, how many 49ers draft picks last year and this year are/will be starters?)
I think all of these guys could contribute, and that's what's important.
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Love it. Kid runs like a machine. He looks like he's slower than he is because he doesn't have any wasted movement, and because in just about every play I saw of his highlights on YouTube, he was already at full speed when he hit the line of scrimmage - seriously, like every time.
Certainly not a workhorse or anything like that, but I think he's got a good chance to add a completely new aspect to the offense. I mean, I wouldn't want to be the defensive coordinator when Hilton, Wayne, Allen, and this guy are on the field together (not to mention the QB being Andrew Luck, since, oh yeah, he can run).
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Yes, clearly if we fail to meet expectations over the next few years, it will be because we screwed up the 254th pick in 2013.
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Do keep in mind that D-line depth in this system isn't just good in case of injury, it also allows for situational versatility. The prospect of having 3 or 4 very different line packages we can put on the field depending on opponent and situation is encouraging.
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Hey, I'm in favor of various sausages and beers. And, obviously, cake.
I'm glad we drafted a German player instead of a French player. Croissants and snails would be weird at a tailgate.
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You can lead a horse to water.........
And sometimes it'll drown if you force it to try fording the river instead of caulking the wagon (seriously, why did anyone ever try to ford the damn things?)
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Cause he ran a 4.8 40. Good thing Grigson goes on tape instead of just combine results.
This. There is a long history of teams getting caught up in measurables rather than production when it comes to pass rushers, which is detrimental since production in college tends to be a very good predictor of production in the NFL when it comes to pass rushing.
Additionally, it would be functionally impossible to take a player at 24 who didn't drop to 24, so asking why Werner in particular dropped to 24 is pointless.
To say that a player is only as good as his draft slot is ignoring the reality of the draft, which is that different commodities at different stages of the draft mean different things to different teams. To say that a player your team picks in the third round is a bad pick because that player fell to the third round is a contradiction that can't be reconciled. Yes, absent any context I would rather have Warmack than Thornton, but that entire discussion would be irrelevant.
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Hoooooo boy....
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Allen was just frustrated and acted like a bit of a thing that's a synonym of "butt" that nonetheless gets turned into "butt" on this forum despite having alternate uses in the english language, but he'd be the first to admit it apparently, so it's really not that big a deal.
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Wow didnt know that. i liked his size.
One of the less heralded, but very important, draft stats is the body size : ego size ratio.
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Yep. Never trusted them since they bombed Pearl Harbor.
Well, it certainly wasn't over then.
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While McClendon wasn't, while we're on the topic of horrible 3rd round picks, who could forget the legendary 3rd rounder Sweet Pea Burns? We may as well have put Sweet Pea Whitaker at DT.
Can i bring up Daymeion Hughes, Quinn Pitcock, Vincent Burns, and Gilbert Gardner at the moment?
Seems appropriate.
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I agree that gems can be found in the later rds and there are reasons that both you and I know for that.
As for using linear math for drafting is very possible, but variables have to come from theoretical math: observations, measureables, subjective interviews. All are given numbers that become the draft grade. While setting the board, needs should take precedent over wants which changes draft grades on players. All math and pretty straight.
The underlying determinations are highly abstract.
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I think there are players in every round who can make our roster, though. And Patton would be our fourth receiver, at best. I guess I'd take him for a swap in the fourth and surrender our 7th rounder, or something like that. No big deal.
And what really makes me hesitant is that I don't know what might happen in this draft. It's too weird already. He could last to the end of the fourth round, and I wouldn't be surprised.
Oh, yeah, I don't disagree that there are a number of solid options available, I was just saying I'm really high on this particular guy.
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Yes please. I'm not sure I'd want to trade up for Patton, but I'd definitely take him. He's one of my favorite receiver prospects.
Trading up in the third isn't a hugely expensive prospect. Depending on how high you trade up you're talking swapping 4ths, plus either a 5th, 6th, OR 7th (depending on how high), and obviously future picks can be factored in.
Point being, though, I don't think he'll last to our pick.
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Players we should consider
RB: Marcus Lattimore, Stepfan Taylor, Andre Ellington
WR: Quinton Patton, Da'Rick Rogers, Chris Haper
OL: Barrett Jones, Brian Schwenke, Alvin Bailey
DL: Jesse Williams, Brandon Jenkins, Alex Okafor
OLB: Chase Thomas
CB: Jordan Poyer, Sander Commings
S: Philip Thomas, Shamarko Thomas, Duke Wlliams
I like Lattimore as a nice option to stash and maybe get returns on in the future. I think we can afford to do that because we still have Brown around, and our need at RB is a future-oriented need, not a pressing present-day need.
I also really like Chase Thomas and Brian Schwenke, FWIW.
Patton is still my #1 with a bullet here, but there are other guys I do like.
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The question is, if he is as good as we hope, then why was he not projected higher.
What I'm trying to say to you, is that that's a dead-end logical statement. We KNOW, for a fact, that there are gems found late in the draft, a duds picked early. But the logic you're using can work to say, for instance, the 12th overall pick isn't as good as the 11th overall pick, because if he was better he would have been the 11th overall pick instead.
The draft isn't this mathematically linear phenomenon. You can't just apply that kind of logical maxim to evaluate the draft. Otherwise you could say about any team's draft pick, other than the Chiefs first overall pick I guess, that their pick wasn't the optimal pick because the optimal player for them to be taken would have already been taken by someone else.
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This should probably get a thread devoted to it. Plus I wanted to start this to reiterate something I said in another thread.
We should trade up for Quinton Patton.
Of all the WRs in this draft, I think the guy has the best shot to be not just a pro bowler, but a hall of famer. By a fairly wide margin.
OK, maybe hyperbole. But everything I've seen this kid do screams a great NFL future. He's the most technically proficient and flat-out natural WR I've seen come out in years. He doesn't have the size of a Megatron, but he's got decent measurables. Even so, his measurables aren't what impresses me, it's just every damn thing about his game.
I'm not going to say the J.R. word, but I really do think this guy has a great ceiling.
Anyway, back on topic. Who do you really think we should target tomorrow?
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Put this another way. If you believe that grigson did well if FA then our stopping Werner from sliding out of the 1st round was a want. If Grigson messed up his FA pick=ups, then Werner was a need.
Insane. Troll. Logic.
Seriously, if, in theory, any need in the draft is reflective of failure in free agency, then why do we have any draft picks at all? In that sense, shouldn't we have, I don't know, traded our first rounder for Revis or something?
BTW, I seriously doubt Werner was going to slide out of the first. But that's another issue entirely.
What you're saying just makes no sense. You're saying that if Grigson did well in FA, we wouldn't need any draft picks at all.
You CAN'T fill all your holes in free agency. It's neither feasible nor desirable. You build a team through the draft. To say that needing a pass rusher in the draft reflects a dire failure of the management in free agency is delusional at best, and frankly if I called it psychotic I'd probably be charitable.
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Side note, yeah, if Patton falls to us in the 4th I would bite on that one. The guy is just plain good at just about everything. It's uncanny. He doesn't have the elite measurables of a Megatron, but I swear to you guys, he's everything you want in a wide receiver otherwise.
EDIT: Seriously, Quinton Patton has hall of fame potential Not kidding.
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Well, for the first pick, Werner was, without almost no doubt in my mind, the best player on the board. By a pretty solid margin, too, though I did like Rhodes.
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By him dropping that far, you have to ask why and no one did.
Except you could say the SAME EXACT thing about every other player. Name a player who was available to us at 24 who you think we should have taken, and I can say that same exact thing about him.
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If pass rusher was a need then grigson messed up FA.
That makes no sense. Are you saying Grigson messed up by not singing Avril?
Avril is a bit overrated, IMO...
I loved this draft!
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it's not flashy, but I sorta have a feeling it could be sneaky good, in the "all these guys are still on the team 4 years later" kind of way.