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Anyone that is playing Fantasy football, here's a run that went for a td and was called back as his right elbow just barely touched the ground but it shows the kind of player the Melvin Gordon will be: https://vine.co/v/eFImaiZUeuq
He's not getting the attention yet, but is starting to get comfortable - I think he's going to be a solid back with great explosive potential and unbelievable balance.
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Superbowl is Chargers vs Dallas
Chargers win by 7
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It was a good game, considering how many poor plays we had. Love when we have a balanced attack. We had 30 runs and rivers threw for 404 on top of that. That gives you the TOP advantage that's especially killer in the 105 degree heat on the field.
Fun game!
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Just can't wait for game time - it's been a LONG off season! I live in the Rough fire area in the California foothills, so this will be a nice distraction from the smoke, fires and stress (we are not in danger, but many of our friends in the higher mountain area have had to evacuate).
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Wow! She was amazing not just for her age! Hubby and I laughed so hard we cried - that was great. Thanks for posting it Gramz
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Completely disagree with the ruling for so many reasons but I'm done. There's real football to watch soon.
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Just read that he has a no trade clause in the contract as well. Good :-)
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I don't know how he resolved that issue. It really doesn't look like they're going to remain in San Diego. I'm by nature an optimist, so coming that that opinion has taken a lot. Even if they do move, it will take a few years to even build the stadium so perhaps the Chargers agreed to keep the practices in San Diego for the time until then. Perhaps he's looked around and found an acceptable location for his family, I don't know, I'm just speculating.
I don't live in San Diego, so it doesn't affect me directly but it will affect the city and my friends who still live there.
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Always liked Rivers, good for him. He has like 8 kids now or something.
LOL! The eighth will be arriving in October. It's really sweet to see him with all of them after a game playing catch on the big field. He's a very involved dad.
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21 mil/year...he's worth it. that quick trigger cannon of his has gotten more 3rd and 15+ completions than i can count. good QB, and when he has a rb to even his passing game out, he is dangerous.
The first 6 games of last year our record was 5-1 (before he was hurt) he set NFL record of 120 QBR rating. With an Oline and a Running game we could have gone deep into the playoffs if not all the way last year. Then we were utterly decimated. 5 starting centers, 3 rbs injured and/or out for the season and the list goes on from there. It takes luck AND skill to win it all.
Long in the tooth
At 33 he is in his prime. He isn't a running QB like Ben Roethlisburger taking hits. As long as his line protects him, he's got a lot of years left. His arm is solid. His brain is even more so - he's got an amazing football mind.
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I am doing the happy dance right now :-) So happy to hear this news. Now, protect him and give him enough talent to get the job done!
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There has been reports out there that the NFL would drop down to one game if Brady would accept guilt but of course we know that won't happen and it would seem Berman does not see a need for him to accept guilt either.
Judges ask hard questions all the time that have nothing to do with their position on the situation. If you listen to or read arguments before the Supreme Court it's probably 50/50 they ask questions for and against where they might be leaning. They are probing the reasoning of both sides.
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We were watching the game when he injured his knee and just couldn't believe that a kicker would make that tackle, in the preseason let alone in a game that wasn't a playoff. Just dumb.
It reminded me of how upset I was at this one:
http://fanshots.com/video/philip-rivers-huge-tackle-on-barry-church-nfl-preseason
No, no, NO! Don't play the hero in a preseason game
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If my team did what the Patriots' fans team has done, I would have had no problem accepting the penalties as assessed. I've already demonstrated that attitude if you go back to the thread about Antonio Gates earlier this summer.
I support rules. If you don't like a rule, fight to change it, don't weasel around it and push the limits to see what you can get away with. If you intentionally bend or break a rule - be ready for the consequences. Be a man and own up to it.
Don't point the finger of blame at anyone and everyone else. Don't "well they did this..." and "they did that..." to get around accepting blame, responsibility and punishment. It doesn't matter what ANY. OTHER. TEAM. DID. You broke the rules and got caught. Don't bring every argument that begins with "well... it matters what the definition of the word 'is' is."
I am satisfied that Tom Brady and the equipment guys were working together to bend/break the rules. They got caught and now they need to pay the price. For Brady, he's forever tarnished in my eyes and that's sad. He's good enough to win within the boundaries of the sport. Like Lance, Nixon and others before him, something inside of him can't accept that he's good enough on his own... sad.
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Mods - perhaps this thread has run its course and about twenty miles extra? I, for one, don't see what's going to be accomplished here any more. Perhaps when the ruling comes down let one last thread for discussion on it and then we can bury it all under the smelly, stinky garbage pile where it belongs?!!! Pretty please?!
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What is ironic is the league's integrity is the one being questioned severely since the Brady transcript went public ...
In all honesty... you have not demonstrated that you would recognize integrity if it announced itself at your front door.
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I merely point out this action to show how the NFL reacted to actions which effect how one interacts with a ball, that is all. It is clear from the NFL's reaction is that it was not a big concern for the NFL. The NFL certainly felt that it was an enough of an issue to subsequently outlaw the towels, so its not like the towels were innocent, contrary to how you want to spin it.
As for a rules violation, if whatever substance was on the towel got onto the ball in any manner it would be violation of the ball tampering rule, the very one in question in this thread. Bottom line, the rule in question prevents ANY tampering with the ball in ANY way, so whatever foreign substance (i.e. not like your average towel you use to dry yourself off after a shower as that towel is just the material is made out of) is on the towel and it got onto the ball its a violation of a rule, plain and simple. Period.
And lets not be naive here, the players and teams that were using the towels "more probable than not" knew there was some tacky substance on the towels and very likely used the towels for the benefit of that substance (after all they could of purchase towels without a tacky substance right?). And "more probably than not" they wiped their gloves with the towels and invariably those gloves touched the ball. Period. And if you sit and wonder why the NFL outlawed the towels, I think you can do the above math. Okay?
Now did the NFL start a league wide investigation into all of the teams? No, why, because its not really an issue. We had a somewhat league wide use of a foreign sticky substance that was intentionally used by some teams which "more probably than not" got its way onto the ball; and thus, more probably than not there was a rules violation, the same one in question in the instant thread.
Bottom line, if the NFL thought the substance was innocent they would not have outlawed its usage. But they did not think it was innocent. They did however demonstrate a low level of concern for a substance and action which they felt the need to outlawed. this is the crust of my point.
Also, for the third or fourth time, when the NFL investigated the incident (regardless of it was a ref on the field or a scientist in a lab in California) it met with obstruction by the team and its employees. The NFL merely issued a fine and not a suspension for that obstruction. The fact that the obstruction fine was subsequently overturned does not change the fact that when initially faced with a decision regarding a penalty for one obstructing an investigation for actions which involved ones interaction with the ball it chose a fine and not a suspension.
So my point being is that given above precedent I do not see how the NFL can suspend Brady for any actions regarding what it felt he obstructed the process of the investigation.
Its not like the NFL found out about the balls at half time and exchange them for the back up balls, then issued an directive on Monday indicating that "We have found some inconsistencies with the balls played with by both the colts and the patriots in the AFCCG and we wish to remind folks that it is against the rules to tampering with the balls"
And then if after that directive someone plays hanky panky with the balls then we are in a different element.
Response to this? ROFL - no other response would be adequate.
Your team was ruled to have cheated.
Our team was ruled to NOT have cheated.
Rationalizing = Rational + lies. That's all I'm reading here which is why I've moved on and am popping in for the entertainment value every VERY so often.
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LOL. They had Jastremiski's phone. Or did you already forget.
You can feel good if you want BUT I would be completely embarrassed today if I was a fan of either the Ravens or Colts.
I think that you have clearly demonstrated that you are entirely incapable of feeling embarassed no matter how unintelligible your arguments become...
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What you do not understand and fail to understand is that with respect to Brady non handing over his cell phone is nothing new. It is merely a player that is bucking the system by non cooperating. This has happened countless times and there is nothing new here.
Indeed if you recall our discussion last week regarding the SD towels, the NFL only fined the team for not cooperating. True once they, on appeal, agreed that there was no non cooperation they lifted the fine. But this did NOT change the fact that the NFL initially imposed the fine as they initially thought there was no cooperation by the ball boys avoiding the refs. And the actions by SD was exactly what were are dealing with here: actions by a club to gain an advantage in regards to the interaction of the player's hand and the football. (btw, I am not conceding that Brady did anything wrong, just saying for the sake of this particular discussion).
In SD it was a sticky substance that can be wiped on a ball or glove via a towel, with the pats is a ball deflation to get a ball that is more easily gripped by a player. There are both the same, actions in violation of NFL rules to gain an advantage with respect to a players interaction with the ball. And any non cooperation of the investigation of the same is the same level of "heinous" non cooperation as the underlying crime is the same. You may not like to hear that, but that is just life. If one tries to hide an incriminating towel or hide a incriminating text, its the same thing, whether you like it or not.
And like I mentioned to Supes above, you need to give notice and just as critical you need to be consistent with your rulings. And when the NFL investigated the chargers and found (initially) that an employee tried to hide an incriminating towel they fine the team 20K, which is along the lines of what the NFL should have done to Brady for trying to hide incriminating texts. (and again I am not conceding that he did just that if he did what would the penalty be).
And again as I mentioned to Supes above, this, whether you like it or not, falls under the ole "I will just do X and play the fine later"
Wrong - again on several fronts.
1. There was NO RULE in place in the towel issue. You know this but conveniently keep claiming there was a rule. Additionally, there was no "sticky" substance on the towel, the towel itself was somewhat tacky and was widely used in the league. After the issue, the league created a rule. They found no rule violation. They eventually also found no obstruction or non-cooperation.
2. The Patriots balls were handled illegally and broke the chain of possession rules when they were absconded from the refs' dressing room. There is NEVER a reason they should have been touched and no reason at all for an experienced team employee to do so that can be explained in any other way than to do wrong with them.
3. Their measurements after that possession were measured significantly below the standard.
4. There is no other event of this magnitude that I can think of. There was intent. This was a significant breaking of protocol. This is a league which has generally worked on an honor system, with a "trust but verify" approach. The Patriots, once again, took advantage of the fact that no one could imagine them trying to gain a small but potentially significant advantage by BREAKING A CLEAR RULE.
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Notice. Plan and simple. Wells is leading an investigation and is the one that is corresponding with the witnesses and the same are reacting to his direction. Also, he is the last time in which the NFL can covey to Brady that withholding the cell phone will result in anything worst or different than what has happened in the past by other players.
If an action A results in punishment X
And person H does not tell person K that action A can result in a punishment Y, then . . .
person K can not be given punishment Y.
Surely it is not person H's responsibility one way or the other, but it does remove the opportunity for the folks who want to impose punishment Y when they have never don't if before. If you have not done it and person H does not say it, then you can not imposed it. Plain and simple.
This argument is incoherent.
There is always a first time for a punishment, when it's the first time that particular violation has occured. No one's hands are tied when there is a new violation, it will correspondingly have a new level of punishment. Think back to the very first time someone was found to have steriods in their system. New violation - new precedent is set.
When they determined the punishment, the NFL tried to find an equivalent violation and give an equivalent measure of punishment.
If the Patriot's hadn't cheated before and it wasn't the second major team violation, the penalty would have been different.
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If it does turn out to be a source from the league, would you then understand why Patriots fans are upset about how this all went down?
Clean up your own franchise and stop cheating at regular intervals. If you did so, the league and other teams fans wouldn't be watching you like hawks.
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Girlarefanstoo, thanks a million
, you provided me with exactly what I was looking for and what I was driving at in my last post to you. thanks The reason for lifting the fine was that upon reconsideration the NFL felt that the in the end the staff did not try to obstruct the refs.
Initially, the fine was given for obstructing the refs (i.e. obstruction results in a fine), which we both know is a separate act from the underlying crime of towels or cameras or deflated balls, and if the later is found to be innocent, in the towels were, the former is still a finable offense as it is separate act, but that too was found to be innocent.
My only point early was merely to site examples of how obstruction results in fines not a suspension; that is, the NFL did not initially suspend the SD staff who had custody of the towels, they just merely fined the team. Once they realized he was not obstructing and he did not know the refs wanted the towels, they found no obstruction and thus the fine is naturally vacated as there was nothing to fine.
Had on the other hand the appeal stated "we still fine obstruction but find that an obstruction is not finable offense" then one could argue that in the past the NFL does not fine for obstruction in this particular case.
But as the initially imposition of a fine was based on a belief, although mistaken at the time, obstruction occurred, it is an illustration that the NFL will fine players, teams, etc. for obstruction and not suspend them. Which was the basis of my points, they fine and do not suspend for obstruction.
Thanks so much for taking the time to find this.
There is a flaw in your reasoning however, just because they haven't had suspensions for obstruction does not mean that they cannot do so. Especially if the obstruction is serious, prolonged and the offense deemed of such a magnitude to require it.
The argument that "it's never been done before" means "it can never be done" is specious. If a violation has never happened before it's corresponding punishment may never have happened either.
I probably won't be able to respond. Will be gone in a few minutes :-)
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Yehoodi, you are not left with a false conclusion, you are choosing to make a false equivalence. Yes, I am a Charger fan, however I followed this issue to its conclusion and am an honorable person - not a homey that twists facts. I posted the link in an earlier thread. I don't have time to search for it right now as we're heading out the door.
A quick retraction is here:
Details of what happened - at this point the fine was still in play though the Chargers had already been ruled innocent:
Eventually the NFL overturned it's $20,000 fine as well.
Basic facts:
1. Equipment manager didn't realize the ref wanted the towels. Ref thought he was hiding them.
2. Towels were not illegal. Had no additional substances. Were towels other teams were routinely using as well.
3. Fine was for not moving fast enough to comply on the sidelines but the towels got to the refs before the end of the game if I recall correctly.
4. Fine was overturned. No cheating found. No discipline of any kind. Not guilty.
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This articles states that the Chargers were fined 20K in part for their actions of trying to conceal the towels. No its not a "formal investigation" after the game is over between investigators and lawyers, but it was a on field investigation by the refs to see what was up with the towels and the charger hindered that investigation by the refs.
As for the Saints suspensions they were vacated by former Commissioner Tagliabue and his findings are found in my prior post to Granz, post #1048, supra. In short he stated as there never have been a suspension for obstructing a League investigation the instant suspensions need to be vacated.
And Farve was fined 50K for no cooperating with the investigation of him texting pictures of himself
Your "facts" are dug up on google without following all the way through to see what the end result was... so they are useless and irrelevent. The Chargers were cleared of these charges and the fine reversed. The Chargers completely complied with the investigation.
, you provided me with exactly what I was looking for and what I was driving at in my last post to you. thanks
SNF- Giants Vs Cowboys
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We tuned in with 10 minutes to go - a very entertaining ending for sure. I hate the Giants more than the Cowboys so the ending was fine for me. Loved seeing Eli's "pouty face" after that throw out of the end zone.