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1 minute ago, Finball said:
Dorsey had the most say (save for maybe Reid) and Dorsey brought many of those guys there, just like he has done now in CLE, poaching from GB and bringing in Scot McCloughan, one of the best talent evaluators out there (who was a big Mayfield at least before he was hired by the Browns earlier this year).
Chubb over Ward was interesting but corner was far bigger need and guys like Ward are rarely available later in the draft. Ogbah is a stud too.
We can see what Dorsey does without his Chiefs clan. The first 4 picks of 2018.
They fired him.... Ask yourself why. I don't think it is hard to connect the dots.
Dorsey rolled the dice when he did not have to. That is who he is.
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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
The Browns had everything at their fingertips, they blew it IMO. I would've took Darnold and Chubb in their shoes. Imagine Chubb paired with Garrett and Darnold will be better than Mayfield.
History will tell us.....
But I agree. This appears to be a total screw up by John Dorsey.
He could save some face if Mayfield and Ward become good NFL players.... I guess we will have to wait and see.
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3 minutes ago, Finball said:
His drafting with the Chiefs though, was up there with the best of them.
it wasn't just Dorsey drafting players there. He had people around him making good decisions.... Chris Ballard was one of those guys.
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10 minutes ago, Superman said:
Agreed, except for Darnold. I'm not sold on him, but I'm not saying he won't be good. We'll see. I think he landed in a good spot, behind a veteran QB with a good OC.
But none of these QBs are bust proof, IMO, and this year's Browns draft class will be judged on whether or not they found a franchise QB at #1.
Very few prospects are bust proof.
That said, anyone who would take Mayfield and Ward over Darnold and Chubb needs to have their head examined.
I think John Dorsey got into his own head and completely over-thought this.
Mayfield and Ward are both good players, but taking them over Darnold and Chubb is more than just questionable. It's a good reason to question someones sanity though.
I think we are really starting to understand why the Chiefs fired this cat in June... In June!
I think there is a chance that cat is a nut job.
Listen to this goober talk. I would not feel good if I were a Browns fan right now. They had a chance to fix it all. They could have turned it all around. Instead they rolled dice on players that might work out.
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22 minutes ago, polk_high_allstar said:
Guess there are some rumblings that the Chargers are looking to get ahead of Denver to draft Rudolph. We could be a team that they're looking to work with. They have the 48th pick. Would the 48th, 119th and a 2019th 4th be enough for you guys to pass up some of the talent at the beginning of this round?
No. I would need a first rounder in 2019 to leave 36 or 37.
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2 minutes ago, Superman said:
I'm against declaring anything immediately after the draft. No one knows whether they bombed this draft.
But I am shocked they took Mayfield #1, and I definitely wasn't expecting Ward at #4. I wasn't in love with any of the QBs, and Mayfield has as strong a resume as anyone else (he's also a bit of a knucklehead, though). And Ward is a really good prospect, just size deficient for his position.
This absolutely has to play out. For all we know, history could call John Dorsey a genius.
HOWEVER, for anyone to say that history could view the Browns 2018 draft as a complete failure.... well, that discussion is absolutely relevant. Even today the discussion is relevant. John Dorsey made it a relevant discussion by going against everything that made sense.
It is possible, even likely the Browns completely screwed this up.
I have been on the record that Sam Darnold will become an elite quarterback. I like Mayfield, but in my mind, it is not even close between the two. If I were a Browns fan then I would be concerned.
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Yeah....
History could say Cleveland bombed this draft....
They had the chance to take Darnold and Chubb (1, 4).
John Dorsey had better hope his players outplay the players he "should have" taken.
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1 hour ago, Shive said:
You really have to watch his 2016 film to see why he's so highly ranked. He dealt with a lingering injury (not a serious one) all last season, so his 2017 film isn't as good as his 2016. I didn't care for him at all until I watched that older film.
This is correct. Guice in 2016 was a monster. He played through injuries in 2017. We have to scout him on his best and worst.
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9 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Questions...
Why some players in regular black standard font and others are in blue?
Snd why are some in regular black font and others are in bold?
Thanks...
Bold are need fits. Blue are players I think we might be interested in.
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Keep in mind, only 3 of these players can come off the board before we hit 36 and 37.
33, 34, 35..... Then we are up twice. Plus we have 49 too....
Josh Jackson, CB, Iowa
Derrius Guice, RB, Louisiana State
Connor Williams, OT, Texas
Harold Landry, EDGE, Boston College
James Daniels, INT-OL, Iowa
Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn State
Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State
Dallas Goedert, TE, South Dakota State
Courtland Sutton, WR, Southern Methodist
Maurice Hurst, INT-DL, Michigan
Isaiah Oliver, CB, Colorado
Will Hernandez, INT-OL, Texas El Paso
Ronald Jones II, RB, Southern California
Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama
Lorenzo Carter, EDGE, Georgia
Darius Leonard, LB, South Carolina State
Michael Gallup, WR, Colorado State
Nick Chubb, RB, Georgia
Donte Jackson, CB, Louisiana State
James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State
Sam Hubbard, EDGE, Ohio State
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, LB, Oklahoma
Justin Reid, S, Stanford
Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma
Christian Kirk, WR, Texas A&M
Harrison Phillips, INT-DL, Stanford
Rasheem Green, EDGE, Southern California
Tyrell Crosby, OT, Oregon
Anthony Miller, WR, Memphis
Arden Key, EDGE, Louisiana State
Nathan Shepherd, INT-DL, Fort Hays State
Uchenna Nwosu, LB, Southern California
Jessie Bates III, S, Wake Forest
Austin Corbett, INT-OL, Nevada
Carlton Davis, CB, Auburn
Malik Jefferson, LB, Texas
Ian Thomas, TE, Indiana
Braden Smith, INT-OL, Auburn
Martinas Rankin, OT, Mississippi State
Josh Sweat, EDGE, Florida State
D.J. Chark, WR, Louisiana State
Kerryon Johnson, RB, Auburn
Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma
Dante Pettis, WR, Washington
Brian O'Neill, OT, Pittsburgh
Kemoko Turay, EDGE, Rutgers
Derrick Nnadi, INT-DL, Florida State
Josey Jewell, LB, Iowa
Jamarco Jones, OT, Ohio State
M.J. Stewart, CB, North Carolina
DaeSean Hamilton, WR, Penn State
B.J. Hill, INT-DL, NC State
Royce Freeman, RB, Oregon
Tim Settle, INT-DL, Virginia Tech
Chukwuma Okorafor, OT, Western Michigan
Deon Cain, WR, Clemson
Tre'Quan Smith, WR, Central Florida
Duke Dawson, CB, Florida
Fred Warner, LB, Brigham Young
Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond
Nyheim Hines, RB, NC State
Jerome Baker, LB, Ohio State
Equanimeous St. Brown, WR, Notre Dame
Anthony Averett, CB, Alabama
Marcus Allen, S, Penn State
Kyzir White, S, West Virginia
Duke Ejiofor, EDGE, Wake Forest
Tyquan Lewis, EDGE, Ohio State
Holton Hill, CB, Texas
Geron Christian, OT, Louisville
Shaquem Griffin, LB, Central Florida
Mark Walton, RB, Miami (FL)
Dorian O'Daniel, LB, Clemson
Kalen Ballage, RB, Arizona State
R.J. McIntosh, INT-DL, Miami (FL)
Oren Burks, LB, Vanderbilt
Deadrin Senat, INT-DL, South Florida
Chad Thomas, EDGE, Miami (FL)
Armani Watts, S, Texas A&M
Da'Shawn Hand, INT-DL, Alabama
Joseph Noteboom, OT, Texas Christian
Andrew Brown, INT-DL, Virginia
Antonio Callaway, WR, Florida
DeShon Elliott, S, Texas
Rashaan Gaulden, CB, Tennessee
Jeff Holland, LB, Auburn
Jalyn Holmes, EDGE, Ohio State
Breeland Speaks, INT-DL, Mississippi
Nick Nelson, CB, Wisconsin
Mike White, QB, Western Kentucky
Cedrick Wilson, WR, Boise State
Dorance Armstrong Jr., LB, Kansas
Wyatt Teller, INT-OL, Virginia Tech
Micah Kiser, LB, Virginia
Hercules Mata'afa, EDGE, Washington State
Jaylen Samuels, TE, NC State
Desmond Harrison, OT, West Georgia
Keke Coutee, WR, Texas Tech
Parry Nickerson, CB, Tulane
Luke Falk, QB, Washington State
Mason Cole, INT-OL, Michigan
Auden Tate, WR, Florida State
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2 minutes ago, DaveA1102 said:
Out of interest, with Landry still on the board at 22, is McGlinchey a better fit?
I only ask because I know Matt Danely on Stampede Blue likes Landry and there seem to be more good options for offensive line in round 2 than there are pass rushers.
I don’t think Landry is a great fit for us. However, McGlinchey is the perfect fit at right tackle.
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7 hours ago, Trueman said:
This guy.....
Luck made you and saved you.....and you killed him.
Yep. And most people will never understand it.
Take Andrew Luck out of the equation and Grigson never has a winning season.
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Get out of my tool shed!
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He was in a no-Winn situation.
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On 4/23/2018 at 12:46 PM, Rally5 said:
Brady is perhaps too big of a reach in terms of an outlier for this particular argument. I would say, of course they are predicting success, what else are they doing, predicting failure? It would be interesting to see how many pundits on draft day nail the fail rate, that would be interesting to see. We know there will be a ~55% first round failure, I'd like to hear some guys try to get that right, most won't even try.
Someone like TY Hilton is a good example of a guy who was clearly a first-round talent but perhaps lacked a certain pedigree so would get ranked well below say a John Ross who garnered a top 10 pick last year after having just one good college season and ran a 4.22 at the combine. See if you can find any stats for how he did last year, he had more scratches than catches, how do you draft that guy with the ninth pick and how does every pundit have him as a top-three receiver, as just one example? I'll tell you, because he ran an 4.22. How does the entire world of draft 'experts' not rank TY as a first rounder, not a single guy? I think they are lazy sycophants, the lot of them. The draft world will jump on a Jamarcus Russell and totally miss on Drew Brees. Like I said this is scouts and pundits, I've seen it first hand. I think there's a lot of desperation on the draft day where people fall for things they want to be true and aren't and there's a huge lack of courage as it relates to slotting players or the success rate would be better.
USA Today deserves a lot of credit for that sleeper pick. They called it, and none of the teams listened.
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I have had my share of fails, but I have a high percentage of hits too.
It’s all part of it.
Can’t be scared to make a mistake. That would not get anyone very far.
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29 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:
Who is Eric Edholm?
Bill Tobin’s mailman.
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All lies! LOL
It is lie season folks.
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4 minutes ago, richard pallo said:
With your preferred draft we take a RB with our 6th pick or none at all with your alternative but if we trade back we take one with our 3rd. pick? Puzzling.
Shouldn't be too puzzling. They are different alternatives.
There is nothing set in stone that says we have to take a RB in this draft.
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3 minutes ago, P'Son said:
We'll be trading back.
Possibly.
However, I think there is a good chance that 4 quarterbacks and a running back could go in the top 5.
That would be a hell of a dilemma for us to be in, and the trade offers would subside. At that point Nelson or Chubb would make a lot of sense.
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I believe our draft theme will be linebacker-heavy and lucky for us, it is a great year to need them. It will not surprise me if we take 3 linebackers plus a couple of edge rushers in this draft.
I also have a strong feeling that Courtland Sutton is high on our radar. His size and ability perfectly compliments TY. I think we are in a great position to grab him in the second round. I have been a fan of his for a couple of years now. Reuter recently mocked us moving up into the end of the first round to grab him (stole my thunder). I doubt we move up to get him, but I feel confident he is on our radar at 36 or 37. Sutton is the only repeater in each of the alternatives.
I think we could (and should) also double up on offensive linemen as it fits both our needs and the strengths of this draft
Overall, I believe we will attack this draft strengths, which lucky for us, happens to match our weaknesses.
My Preferred Draft (If we stay at 6)
6. Quenton Nelson, INT-OL, Notre Dame
36. Lorenzo Carter, EDGE, Georgia
37. Courtland Sutton, WR, Southern Methodist
49. Darius Leonard, LB, South Carolina State
67. Malik Jefferson, LB, Texas
104. Josh Adams, RB, Notre Dame
140. Joseph Noteboom, OT, Texas Christian
178. Christian Campbell, CB, Penn State
221. Nick DeLuca, LB, North Dakota StatePossible Alternative
6. Bradley Chubb, EDGE, NC State
36. James Daniels, INT-OL, Iowa
37. Courtland Sutton, WR, Southern Methodist
49. Geron Christian, OT, Louisville
67. Uchenna Nwosu, LB, Southern California
104. Jeff Holland, LB, Auburn
140. Kylie Fitts, EDGE, Utah
178. Taron Johnson, NICKEL, Weber State
221. Jack Cichy, LB, WisconsinAnd IF We Trade Back
12. Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
22. Connor Williams, OT, Texas
36. Sony Michel, RB, Georgia
37. Courtland Sutton, WR, Southern Methodist
49. Frank Ragnow, INT-OL, Arkansas
67. Josh Sweat, EDGE, Florida State
104. Deadrin Senat, INT-DL, South Florida
140. Genard Avery, LB, Memphis
178. J.C. Jackson, CB, Colorado
221. Christian Sam, LB, Arizona State
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I will never forget the first time I saw Dwight Freeney. His rookie year in training camp at Rose Hulman.
His physicality and presence was evident from the beginning. I had not and still have not seen anyone that impressive.
Dwight was a unique player and he is headed first ballot to the Hall of Fame.
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They are having video feed issues.
I cant believe the Browns held control of the draft and still spoiled it...
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We are not going to solve this riddle today.
But be ready, because if/when the verdict comes back that John Dorsey is a nut job then it was already explained to you.
Anything is possible.