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1 hour ago, King Colt said:
I guess I will never grasp why some back up QBs are so terrible. I wonder what the dialogue is during practices as the coaches witness the backups throw the balls everywhere except where they should be. Hundreds of millions in salaries and some backups that are at best, a negative plug in some rosters. To me there is just too much talent available to have guys on rosters that simply cannot play the game.
Because in practice against our awful passing defense Tolzien probably did look serviceable. Brock lit us up..... Pretty much any qb in the league has us circled on the schedule for a career day. It also may explain why our pass defense has been amongst the leagues worst since Tolzien started taking reps with the 1's in practice.
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1 hour ago, Chucklez said:
Offensively, we killed ourselves with so many stupid little mistakes, the mismanaged Mack td, TY fumbling the ball, tolzein... in general, Vini missing field goals and the EP.
On a different day, if all that went the right way from the start of the game, it's a totally different game.
We still stunk the place up, really badly, but I expect to see a different team next Sunday, especially on offense.
I hope so, my worry is the familiarity between the coaches. I think Arians would be a more likely choice for the coach who takes advantage of his experience i.e. Gruden vs Oakland. That said if Pagano does dial up a great game plan it would be for the same reasons. So possibly we get his 1 game per year of good game planning over by week 2. Still it was week 1, anything is possible going forward, thats why they play the game.....15-1!!!!!
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31 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:
Turbin should've been in for those goal line carries.
I was saying that exact thing the second we ran first and goal from the one. On that series Pagano showed several times his ability to have his teams consistantly show deficiencies in situational football.
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15 minutes ago, J@son said:
Yes they were the best players we had, but players dont make plays if theyre not good enough to make them. The team isnt gifted a certain number of sacks per year so...somebody gotta get em. The QB doesnt rub iutside the picket saying, "this ones gonna be a sack guys, first one here gets it" and then Walden was just the least slow of the group so he got there first. Walden got double digit sacks last year because thats how many times he beat the man across from him (well, I'm sure there was an unblocked or 2 in there but still)
THIS opinion of yours is ridiculous. I'll give you this though, it would work in the case of jerrell freeman... except that he still played at the same level the next year with Chicago.
It may be ridiculous but I find it ridiculous to think Pagano made these players better, when every year our d became gradually worse. Development would mean they improved their side of the balls play IMO. Those players were brought here to improve the D, based on results I would say that never happened. I hope they improve more this season than previous seasons, but the trend is not pointing that direction after week 1.
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8 minutes ago, J@son said:
Again, who cares? My point is they came here to Indy and got bettet than they were before they got here.
The pats, and belichick, gave up on butler. Playing for pagano he became one of the better nickel CBs in the league until injuries started catching up to him.
Walden had been in the league for I think 9 seasons prior to signing with Indy and he had 9 career sacks. He had more than that in one season here. 32 of his 23 career sacks came here in Indy.
Miami was ready to push davis out the door. Hed dropped on their depth chart and was in danger of being cut. He comes here and now hes been to pro bowls and, when healthy, is one of the better cover CBs in the league..though injuries are catching up to him now too.
The point is these guys came here and became better players than they were before, in large part thanks to pagano and his staff.
I'm still pretty much ready to move on from him. The non challenge was....barf. But people saying he never has and/or cannot develop players is just nonsense.
I respect your opinion. However my opinion was they were the best players we had, so of course they made plays. Still for me to say Pagano made them better is near impossible. I know our guys don't move on and play better elsewhere, but it's not like when any of them were considered serviceable it reflected as success for our defense. If anything the longer those guys have played under Pagano they have become gradually worse as a unit. Obviously we don't agree but I never said he cant, I said he is not bad at it. No one is perfect in that aspect but IMO he has not proven as much you are hinting. Obviously this is all my opinion, I expect no one to care but I know my opinion is not just nonsense...
As you stated all those guys weren't going to stay relevant in their old teams. Yet they came here and were our best defenders for the most part. Still those defenses never had been as poor as ours. So to say those players for better for the Colts seems like semantics.
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3 hours ago, J@son said:
and? they were still players who came here to the Colts and improved their play while here. that's the very (simplified) definition of player development, is it not? Doesn't matter where or how you find them.
Butler was on the pats, Adams broncos, Davis miami, Walden packers. All those defenses weren't as bad as ours have been, which is why we signed them. I am not saying our guys never make plays, but I wouldn't say Pagano has developed much from our guys besides bad decisions, injuries, and bad fundamentals *tackling*.
I admit it's hard to develop young talent when we always seem to bring in project players. Like both our first round picks two of the last three years.
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3 minutes ago, J@son said:
I don't buy that at all. Erik Walden, Darius Butler, Mike Adams, Vontae Davis, among several others have all had their best seasons playing for Pagano. Jerrell Freeman has an NFL career now after playing for Pagano.
Chuck has made some bad decisions and no, he hasn't been able to coach up/develop every single player that plays for him (no coach ever has though) but evidence does not support the notion that he does not possess the ability to develop players.
Every single one of those players started their careers with different coaches, even Freeman in the CFL. If anything those were veteran grigson signings, IMO.
Letting Freeman walk still annoys me...
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57 minutes ago, J@son said:
I agree with all of the above.
Part of the reason Grigs was fired was for telling Pags who to play (per sources) but not who to cut. Generally the GM has final say on roster moves (who to sign, who to cut etc) but the HC has final say on the depth chart. The reports about Grigson was that he was forcing depth chart moves on Pagano as well as forcing Pep on him...among other things.
I believe if a HC says to the GM the guy can't play, the gm wont keep the guy. I am happy grigs is gone, but I just have seen pags get too many passes. Some have hinted that Ballard did not give Pagano good enough players. I argue maybe both GMs have given Pagano exactly who he wanted, and he just is not good at player development and pure x's and o's. Was it not Pep who coached Luck into league leading TD's and AFCCG? If so, maybe grigson went against chucks wishes for the better of the team?
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15 minutes ago, J@son said:
I highly doubt that. First, it can be difficult at times, if not impossible to tell when the coach is talking to someone beside him and when he's talking to someone over the headset unless he actually takes the headset off. I suspect you're seeing the coach go up to the player after he's already told the replay booth that he needs an answer and is only talking to the player while he waits for them to form a decision. Second, that just doesn't make sense. Like i said, it makes no difference whatsoever if the player actually got into the endzone unless there's also a definitive replay to go along with it. The only reason I would ever approach a player to ask for their opinion is to find out if they know for a fact that they did NOT get in. I really don't care if they think they got in because it's not about what they think but what can be proven.
The only point that matters is that blunder of a non challenge was definitely coached. Everyone knows if it's that close a call not to run to the line and snap it. A well coached team would use the play clock wisely to let the guys upstairs get a good look. Our guys did the exact opposite. Has to go on mostly chuck. He is the guy with a flag and ability to call timeouts. I have to assume either Chud or Tolzien pushed for a quick snap. Regardless of whose idea it was, Pagano is the HC and responsible for how we play situational football.
Unrelated, I have seen many out blame on Ballard for the current QB situation. IMO unjustly, was not part of the reason grigs was fired due to him telling pags who to play and cut? Pagano sees thing differently than most, he saw Tolzien as a better option than Morris. He told Ballard as much, so Ballard decides to get a guy who could beat ST in chucks eyes. Clearly Chuck did not like Morris as much. It seems many here think Pagano has no control over cuts, but grigson was fired for basically that. If he is fired by seasons end, it opens the discussion of if grigs was the main problem imo...
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40 minutes ago, Jdubu said:
I have been to almost every home game since Harbaugh was in his last 2 years with the Colts. That Pats playoff in the dome was the loudest it will ever be period but I know there were a couple other games and then playoff games that the new stadium got pretty loud, not I can't hear my self scream loud like that Pats game, but the crowd has the ability. What has occurred is, the team has steadily become worse. Once Manning got moved out and the team struggles to produce anything like the years with Freeny and Mathis getting to the QB and Manning to Wayne or Harrison for the score, where has the consistent excitement been for the fan base to get up and scream all defensive game long? I know early on, the fans get up and cheer on defense at the onset of the season and early into the games. As the game moves along, Pagano and his staff show little ability to make a competitive game come up and the fans sit down and look for their spots on 3rd down, usually only to be disappointed by the 3rd and 72 yard completion and new set of downs. That mentally takes out a crowd. The next game, the crowd comes out for the team again only to quickly become disappointed once again. You repeat these failures every home game and watch them on the road, we see why the crowd has no faith that yelling on every down provides any assist to a crappy team and so they fade. Now, the crowd barely gets into a 3rd down and long play even near the start of games because they have been conditioned into failure is coming, why waste energy. The crowd can get loud, but the team has to prove to the fan base once again that they are worthy of the attempt from the fan base. This team was more exciting to watch with Mike Pagel at QB than it is under this regime.
Brown's have always had a fierce crowd, what reason do they have besides their duty as a fan at the game. When your team is struggling is the opposite time to go quiet.... KC, SEA, and other teams with good D's, fans stay involved no matter the score. To me it's a chicken before the egg dilemma. The crowd noise Indy produces lends itself for offense, not defense. Always has for imo. I too hot season tickets in the harbaugh years, and have traveled to dozens of stadiums. I currently live in denver and their crowds definitely show more life. Especially for division games, no matter the records. Colts fans at the stadium got spoiled by Peyton. Now they don't know how to root on an underdog.
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On 9/11/2017 at 3:36 PM, MR. Blueblood said:
I am too, and I would argue that statement. LOS can get rocking and super loud, but it goes hand in hand with the play on the field. Sub par play and the crowd goes silent (other than the boos). The play is good and the crowd is alive. IDK, maybe my section is more into the games than some of the others.
Peyton's first game back was the loudest I've ever heard that place from start to finish, but to say that solely a venue change has taken crowd noise out is a false statement.
I disagree. Have you traveled to other stadiums? Colts fans rarely yell on defense. They cheer for big plays, but do not add much for the defenses home field advantage. To do so means yelling on D all game. Not only on third downs in a competitive game. I have been told by many Colts fans over the year to sit down and stop yelling on defense, they claim I ruin their experience..... this does not happen in majority of stadiums. Specifically teams that typically have good defenses have great fan participation. The games the fans get loud for is typically the pats, sometimes the Steelers. The RCA Dome had metal bleacher seating that would help add to the crowd noise. Now the fans are too comfortable and want to sit and watch like they are at home.
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2 minutes ago, IinD said:
I'd like a refund of my time please..Lol
I went home early from work to watch. The coaching has been absolutely atrocious!
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Anything is possible. Until proven otherwise I go into every season thinking every game is winnable. If we can learn to win with defense and run game, when Luck returns we could be a very dangerous team. You can't coach effort, as a fan I want to see our guys play their tails off!
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1 hour ago, our_dbs_rock said:
Your conversation about burger restaurants just made me think about Idiocracy and Carl's Jr. It's been a while since I have watched it and the thought put a smile on my face, so thank you.
Love that movie! It was on Starz yesterday, very fresh in my mind.
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Funny, I remember talking heads saying Lucks contract would leave zero cap to resign draft picks and sign FA's. Obviously not having great talent to resign saves money, besides Luck and TY clearly are exceptions.
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Keep Gore! 3.5 is not a huge deal, we have cap space...
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1 minute ago, IndyScribe said:
Former 3rd round pick. Is he any good?
Had good first year, fumble issues though.... upgrade over Richardson.
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4 hours ago, jskinnz said:
Or they decided a 6th WR is a luxury with how many players that have injuries and are uncertain to the ready for the start of the season.
Agreed. 4 QB's week one. Kelly and Davis..... 53 man roster will be ever changing the first six weeks.
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7 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:
LOL. Wow, but first of all its weird. 3-4 days ago I randomly threw out Jacoby's name, and 2-3 of us talked about it a min..........BUT.......I did NOT want to trade Dorsett. I like JB btw. But yes I'm mad about Phillip not doing much of anything his first 2 years, but I wanted us to give him another year anyways. To give him a shot to put it together and live up to his potential. Didn't like the pick when we took him because of need. I wanted Kendricks, Brown, Golden, Clark, and yes I'm straight up LMAO. I also liked 1 or 2 that hasn't done much LOL. PJ Williams in NOLA for 1.
Secondly. As stated above....I don't like this in a way..........But another part of me says. Well even if Dorsett balls out in NE, what if Jacoby balls out with us ? Very, VERY possible. And QB's a much more valuable than a WR....A young, emerging QB can land you really high picks depending on HOW good the QB was. But who knows ? We could get screwed, Dorsett become a PB caliber WR, and JB nothing, we could be ripping them, it could be even, or kinda even. We'll see after this season. This is they're 3rd seasons. It takes some kids 3-4 sometimes more to put it together.. But hey... Welcome to Indy Jacoby. I think you have all the tools and talent to become a good starting QB in this league.
I agree , my main problem is he won't start week 1. I think we would have been just as well off with Morris. Likely better with SM because of his experience with this offense, playbook, and teammates. I still expect ST to start week 1, with Morris being his back up. The pats were going to cut JB, we could have got him then. Or anyone for that matter. If we missed out on him, oh well. Luck should hopefully be back by week 4-5. If not this trade makes sense, but taking luck off PUP wouldn't.... we should have cut Dorsett. Still IDK about our WR depth, and rolling with so many Qbs is very concerning. Especially considering depth everywhere else.
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I am against any trade that makes the pats better. I really hope Ballard comes out of this one looking smart, but history has shown otherwise. Remember how little he got Moss for, and the fans of every team shaking their heads. We have traded two starters to the pats in one off-season. Ballard is either very ballsy or a plant by the pats. Lol joking but still if it Allen and Dorsett play well, I will be fairly upset. I would rather them be released and signed to the pats. Why would we help them???
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I wished all 32 owners donated 1 million when disasters like Harvey and Katrina happen. Better yet, every owner in major American professional sports. Pipe dream.... I know.
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On 8/30/2017 at 0:00 PM, Valpo2004 said:
I'm kind of meh about this.
For a cap background the Broncos would have to pay Ward's 1.25 M on his signing bonus. That would leave the team receiving him only paying 4.5 M in salary. He is in the last year of his contract.
At the same time he is 30 years old.
Maybe it's worth it if Geathers is going to be gone the whole season but if he's expected to come back midway through the season I'm not sure it's worth it. We need CB help and LB help more then anything.
For that price it has to be something to consider. Even if it's only to improve run defense. I know I am not the only one who knows that the run D is usually our biggest weakness. IMO, Ward at least brings a tough nosed attitude to run defense. I moved from Indy to Denver, so I am likely biased towards broncos D players. If Geathers does miss significant time, he is likely the best cheap option, while still being a proven vet. Cheaper than Haden by far, and would likely shore up the run defense, at least marginally.
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17 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Its not so much what was said in this thread, but what has been smattered throughout the forum. I think people started to love his play more after they realized he might not be available. Revisionist observation, so to speak. Just my observation.
Our D was ranked around 30th in most stats. I agree, he was among the best, of the worst, in the NFL. Not to say he had not shown ability, but how much ability translated into game changing stops on D? Not enough apparently, according to the teams record.
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1 hour ago, IndyScribe said:
Ward can fill in until Geathers gets back. But then the Colts have the problem of two safeties - one of which will want a lot of money to be a backup.
Pretty sure Ward's current deal has him making 4.5 million.... doesn't sound too hefty to me. According to over the cap Hooker will make ~3.1 million. So fair $ for a pro bowl vet (if healthy). IMO.
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Saw his brother on FS1 saying chuck should have hired him. But Rob is clearly the lesser quality.