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I’ve been in the camp that believed J.J. Arcega-Whiteside would run in the 4.7 + range at best for his 40 time. I’m frankly stunned at the 4.49 time he ran today. You have to assume that he will rise in the WR rankings given he is 6’2” and 225 lbs. He’s got to be solidly in the high 2nd round area now. I’d appreciate others’ thoughts on this.
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13 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
There's always room. It's not like we have a loaded WR room full of talent.
Hilton, Funchess, Rookie, Inman, Cain. That's five. And we might even keep six. Rogers and Fountain and Pascal would be the candidates. Fountain and Pascal and others could end up on the PS.
That’s pretty much how I see it.
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The one guy I see dropping into the Colts’ range who would cause Ballard to make a trade is Brian Burns. If he’s still sitting there in the early 20’s I can see this happening. But only for Burns.
Otherwise I see Ballard holding his position in round 1.
My guess: if you see a trade it will be by a team trying to make a big Day 2 move by seeking pick 34 and giving up well more than the typical points chart numbers to get there. You’ll have teams seeking to nab a player that unexpectedly fell out of round 1. That seems like a perfect Ballard situation.
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No to Simmons. I’d move Lawrence to 26 and grab the best safety or WR available at 34. Then BPA at position of need from there on. I like the Daley and Snell picks in the 4th round. Both are solid values at positions of need. Thanks for doing this.
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3 hours ago, MikeCurtis said:
I like Tillary much more than Lawrence as well
But.....
I look at Lawrence at 345 lbs, and think.....no way he could play in this defense
Then I watch his game tape, and see someone that does so much more than the trash can stand. He gets penetration. He slings people around.
Part of me think that he fits this defense, part of me doesn't (its really 50/50)
We have 3T covered well IMHO, with Lewis, Autry, and Ward
If we got Tillary, he would be in rotation at 1 tech with Hunt
I do think a speed edge rusher may still be the best option at 26.
If Tillary is gone, and one is available
What if you got 15 or so pounds off that gut Lawrence carries around? You might have the best of both worlds.....a DT/NT who can penetrate as well as crush the run lanes. I like Tillery too, but would take a slimmed down Lawrence over him at this point.
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Very nice job. I agree with the dialogue you've been having about flipping Lawrence and Abrams. I don't believe Lawrence lasts into round 2. Abrams should though. Lawrence continues to intrigue because the Colts have 3 techs but don't have a standout at the other DT/NT slot. Take 10-15 pounds off that frame and he could be an absolute terror. I am beginning to focus on him as the guy at 26.
Getting Samuel that late in round 2 would be terrific, but you'd probably have to take Jackson instead at that point if you want him. I'd rather have Jackson than Deebo because the need is much greater.....and the Colts truly need another WR IMO so that's saying a lot. Again, thanks for the work on this, and keep at it!
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This has been an excellent discussion. Much appreciated. I look forward to seeing if the Colts coaches can mix a little of their Ebron magic into Mr. Funchess. I'm more hopeful after reading this thread.
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B without question. Except I like A too!
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1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:
I guess it means we’ll be taking a conservative approach to roster building for one more year — 2020.
It appears Ballard won’t loosen the purse strings until 2021. This frustrated fans last year and this year. I expect it will be frustrating next year too.
I agree about the timing of the Colts joining in free agency frenzy, if indeed it ever happens......but for a different reason. I think Ballard will have his hands full next year trying to sign all of the key free agents on the team itself. He has to run through that gauntlet before he can look outside for the finishing touches. That’s why the draft this year is so critical. It sets things up for the final push to build a SB team.
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6 hours ago, akcolt said:
I agree Rogers value as a punt returner can't be over looked. It's not like with KO returns where you can get away with just sticking someone back there. It certainly doesn't guarantee Rogers anything but it's a leg up on a roster spot.
I have had a real threat in the return game on my wishlist for a long time. There is a kid in this draft from the University of Georgia that will have you on the edge of your seat every time he touches the ball. Mecole Hardman has that kind of explosive game breaking ability. He's a little raw as a WR but he'd make an immediate impact in the return game immediately while he adjusts. I'd love to see him wear the horseshoe.
I don't know Hardman, but I keep seeing his name pop up in different mocks. I'll take a look at him.
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10 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
Honestly, I’m not the least bit worried about Hines. He was a Rookie.
In 1985, the receiver who led the entire NFL in drops was a rookie named Jerry Rice. Stuff often happens with rookies.
Now if we try Hines again and he STILL has a problem then we try someone else.
I like Rogers, but I find his receiving too inconsistent for my comfort level.
I get the second chance for Hines. He was reliable with the ball once the regular season started. But he felt like a fumble waiting to happen every time he lined up as a kick returner in the ` preseason. There was a reason the coaches kept him away from that job the rest of the year.
As for Rogers, he started the year poorly, but I thought his receiving was much better the second half of the season....and he was rock solid as a punt returner. I hope they keep him.
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2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
Just on the offensive side of the ball alone... we have far more pressing needs than RB in the 3rd round.
WR, OL, perhaps TE.... and also, eventually, RB.
I think if we draft a RB, it'll be in R's 4, 5, or 6.
Typically, if you draft a back in the 3rd round, you're looking for him to start. And that's not what we want. Mack is our starter. We want to strengthen our depth. That comes on Day 3.
Agree on the type of RB the Colts look for in the draft. It will be Day 3 IMO and complimentary to Mack and the gang. 3rd down pounder; can block; can catch. Lots of guys like that available from the 4th round on.
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5 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
I don't know why?
How about this?
Hilton, Funchess, rookie draft pick, Inman and Cain.
That's 5 and he's on the team. We might even carry 6. Who would be ahead of Inman?
Rogers? Pascal? Fountain? I don't see that....
I would agree with that grouping if you added Rogers in there. He has value as both a receiver and returner. He's proven to be reliable in punt returns and that is invaluable. Anyone remember the debacle that was Hines in that role? Yeesh.
All that said, I agree that Inman has a place with this group. I hope they sign him.
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1 hour ago, Defjamz26 said:
Agreed. I hear that sentiment a lot on the forum. “I wouldn’t take this player at 26, but I’d take him at 34”. The difference between those picks is 8 spots... Generally speaking there isn’t going to be much difference in grades for the players drafted in the bottom of the first and top of the second round. A late 1st=an early second.
But you may have suddenly run thin on the DLine talent at 26, with several safeties you really like still likely available at 34. If the dlineman is equal in value to the safety, you take him.
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1 hour ago, MikeCurtis said:
If Burns is on the board at 26 I am grabbing him
IF we get him..... an option I would have to consider is Lawrence at 34 (Or Tillary, but I think he is gone before 34)
Lawrence is a 1 technique that does push the pile.
He doesnt get 20 sacks, but he does collapse the pile, and he get pressures and QB hits
Watch his game tapes he puts hard hits on the QB, just as he was releasing the ball
That HAS to hurt
I can help but imagine him falling on Murray......
Spot on the carpet.....
Ha! What a visual.
Re: Mr Burns: I have seen him getting more and more hype lately. Some draft "experts" have him in the top 10. Many in the top 15. So it seems unlikely he's even in the conversation at 26. But Tillery is. If he's sitting there at 26, he's hard not to love. If I were doing a mock draft, he'd be my pick. And if he's gone, I'd be fine with Lawrence.
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40 minutes ago, chad72 said:
Good article!!! It is very relevant, thanks for sharing!!!
My only argument against him is if the Colts feel like they can get a play making safety in Round 1, that can double down as a Big nickel and blitzer, there is a good chance that is looked at more favorably for the current NFL, IMO.
It would be a case of 1st or 2nd best safety vs 4th or 5th best DT, IMO.
If both Lawrence and Tillery were there, who would you choose? Just curious. With the depth of DL and how playoff teams covet quality safeties with so many teams running nickel and dime, I might still lean safety and see if one of the above 2 is around for pick no.34. What do you guys think?
In answer to your question of Lawrence or Tillery at #26, I'd pick Tillery. And that would be over any safety available at that point.
Now, what if Lawrence was still available at 34 after they took Tillery at 26? IMO, that would be hard to pass up. I suspect he'd be told to drop 10-15 lbs. That would make him quicker and add to his pass rush ability. And the dude is Strong. 36 bench presses for a guy with long arms like he has? That's very impressive.
So.....taking both of them, I know, seems excessive. I'm not advocating it. But if the Colts did that, I wouldn't howl about it either.
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Well said. I don't disagree.
And as to the point that everyone's character is in issue until reviewed, no argument there either.
My point was that if it was true that he had been an upstanding, repentant guy ever since the incident (which of course requires due diligence on a team's part to confirm), then the incident itself shouldn't be used to give him a poor character rating. Just my opinion. Of course, its the right opinion.
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2 hours ago, Superman said:
I'm fine with any team doing their due diligence on him and determining that they're fine with drafting him.
I'm also fine with any team deciding 'nah, we don't want to draft a player with that kind of history.'
I don't disagree with what you're saying. But my point was that with the amount of time that has passed, if he has turned his life around and has a pattern of solid behavior since the incident, his character shouldn't be in question. That said, I fully understand that with so much at stake in the draft, some teams just won't take that risk.
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Just a question here: I haven't watched the video but accept, for sake of discussion, that Simmons was terribly wrong in what he did. No issue.
Correspondingly, for the sake of discussion, haven't there been a number of reports that this guy has been a model citizen since that time, including doing numerous acts of community service and being a highly respected leader on his football team?
I'm not an advocate of choosing Simmons, but that is because I worry about his knee injury.
However, if the reports of his behavior since the incident are also true, it would seem to me that he has owned his mistake, learned from it, and become a better man for it.
That is exactly what you want to see from a young person who has made a bad mistake.
If all of the above is true, Simmons should not be shunned by any team on draft day because of his character.
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The Colts are not taking a RB in round 1, 2 or 3. Just my opinion, of course. Day 3.....that's where to look.
Think about these positions of need on the Colts:
DT, DE, OT, WR, TE, S.....and, to a lesser degree, CB, LB. Day 1 and 2 will almost certainly address these positions.
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10 minutes ago, Smonroe said:
As most of you know, I’m a Buckeye. But I wouldn’t even want Paris at 26.
I love Terry as a 3rd rounder. He’s a great locker room guy, as well as being a good, fast WR. Just not elite.
Yup. And that's probably where he's going. Late 2 early 3 at best.
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My guess is we draft a RB Day 3. A bigger guy who can handle short yardage duties, block and catch. Not the alpha dog Mack is, but instead a complimentary player.
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Odds are Simmons will gone before he reaches pick 26.
I'll take that bet, NCF. I just can't see a pick that valuable used on a guy who may not be all the way back until well into year #2. And...its not an absolute that he will completely recover. Modern medical outcomes suggest he likely will, but that's no guarantee. So its a big risk taking him in the first round. The risk diminishes with the value of the pick.
I suspect he's plucked mid 2nd round or so. I wouldn't take him at either pick 26 or 34. Those two picks for the Colts are just too critical to roll the dice like that.
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2 hours ago, Irish YJ said:
I've said the same in a few threads about S. There really aren't any great or elite guys. There are however a bunch of good/solid guys with high upside (dependent on what scheme they go to). No way in hell I'd take a S in the first. There will be several good prospects still available at 59 and later.
I agree on their take on WR as well, although I'd probably push it a spot up. Not really any lock/elite prospects, but a ton of guys with high ceilings that will do very well in the right system. I do think theirs a few tiers, and there will be a clear drop off after mid to late 2nd round.
I know some have been down on iDL at our 26, but there could be 2 or 3 nice options at 26. Not perfect options, but plenty good for a 26.
Hope we go iDL at 26, and WR at 34 or 59.
I could live with that.
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A mid 3rd round steal.