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3 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
If JB falls behind more than 10 points we are in trouble, he is all about ball control. Problem is for most people after watching Peyton and Luck we are just spoiled. I hate to say this but we will never have that again. I hope I am wrong but I doubt it. We still could land a good QB and win being more of running team, I am fine with that.
Imho, I would be happy as a lark if we had a QB who was slightly above avg with a RB who is slightly above avg and a dominant defense. I think having a really great QB or really great RB only, that sets you up for being predictable but having two guys who can achieve but not flat out dominate you is the better way of the overall “team” winning approach. Having the defense though to get your offense more opportunities and holding point totals down is key.
40 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:@esmort what is with the confused face, this post is dead on. Anytime someone says anything positive about JB it doesn't fly with a handful of people in here. This crap is really getting tiring. He was above average through 7 games = 5-2, 2 300 yard games, and 14/3 ratio TD's to INT's. That is above average, if not good. If you want to say he was below average or bad toward the end of the season then you will get no argument from me. I said 1st 7 games. If you give me a confused face, explain yourself. Also Tannehill threw for 88 yards at Baltimore, he wasn't even above average in that 1 game. Henry won that game by himself.
JB was pretty solid in that first half and I’d take that type of production. The problem is, did JB become predictable and the NFL coaches on defense figured his style and limitations out and stoned him? That’s what I think happened. I don’t think the injury defined his poor play after he came back 100%, it may have had some impact initially but not overall. Can’t run this team with JB again.
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1 hour ago, richard pallo said:
He's not the only one saying that about Bridgewater and the Panthers. Many think it's possible Cam could be traded or cut. I surely can see the Colts checking in with Luck to check on his interest in returning. They would want to know before they make any moves at QB. Makes perfect sense coupled with the decisions they are contemplating. They tell Luck they are moving on from JB and are looking to make a move this year unless you come back. It's your team again or we are moving on. Let us know by the combine please. I can see a scenario like that.
I think it makes sense to sit down with Luck one last time before starting to formulate your scouting plans and putting together your team needs. As much as my heart would want to see Luck return with a belly of fire like he came into the league with, my brain sense says Luck is completely 100% at peace with his decision to leave the game forever.
as for Bridgewater, I don’t know if he is a guy who fits into our style of offense or not but he sure did do very well this year when given the opportunity to play. I’m just not sure I’d want to pin my future hopes of getting to the Super Bowl with him and even though I think he could do a team well, just not sure he would be the guy who gets us all the way.
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1 hour ago, NannyMcafee said:
I hope you're right. I cant wait for the draft and FA to find out how Ballard feels about the QB position. If he doesn't draft or sign anyone then I believe the Colts are very high on CKs abilities and maturity level. That, or they truly believe in JB. And after reading an interview with Frank Reich and Nick Sirianni, JB doesn't fit that description of what they believe a starting QB needs to be. I'm not sure if you read the interview, but CK fits the bill.
I dont quite understand the hate CK receives from this forum.
Yeah I don’t think the brass have any confidence in JB going forward as “the guy” and I’d think that Irsay would be forced to fire both CB and Reich if they chose to gamble on JB as being the guy because the ticket holders would leave in large numbers if they didn’t improve dramatically and they chose to stick with JB. I don’t think CB wants to tie himself to that anchor and take that much risk with a JB type QB.
CK presents risk as well, not only with his maturity levels we’ve seen in the past but he hasn’t yet put on a regular season display for the team to really be certain he is high level talent. He has shown what many college kids have shown. Promise and enough flash to make you want to see more.
I think that Cb and FR know just what the floor is with CK and have evaluated the risk of his ceiling against his maturity level currently. Like I said, this team has had him under such a microscope that they know how many squares he uses to wipe his rear with. I feel confident they know with as much certainty as one can that he will pass the maturity level threshold they’ve desired by now. As for the haters, some just want a Manning type of clean cut guy with no baggage. Imho
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On 2/6/2020 at 5:46 PM, NannyMcafee said:
He could very well be on the correct path to success in the NFL and on this team. I just mainly meant by him "being a bum" is hes been immatire and until he proves otherwise, I still see him as an immature kid. He has to prove to me that he has grown up. I love his talent and skillset. Hes definitely got the it factor and I'd love to see him prove it to everyone in colts nation. Truly. I love it when these guys pull themselves out of the % they fell into. I just will be worried about him for the next couple years. For me personally, I will be a bit worried until he completes his 2nd year on this team, and begins his third. So, the 2021 preseason is when I will feel a lot more comfortable with his maturity level.
I too, believe the Colts front office knows exactly what they have in Kelly. They know he has the ability to be a top 10 QB in this league which is why they have held onto him, thrown him onto the practice squad to test him, and brought him back. I think Frank really loves the kids abilities. But I dont know that they have plans for him being starter for us simply because he hasn't 100% proven himself. But once he does, I have no doubt that they see him as a potential starter for this team. I really dont understand the hate he gets on these forums. If you look at my last posts I am all supportive of CK, and believe he can be quite amazing. I just fear if his mindset has truly changed or not. I am waiting for the draft. If the Colts dont draft a QB at all, I believe you're right about them having plans for CK becoming eventual starter, and if it works, people will call Ballard a HOF GM.
So I guess calling him a bum wasnt the proper explanation.
Of all things Chad Kelly... I wish he would change that God awful number 6.
I get you on this issue as it’s certainly concerning in the way he acted prior to coming to the Colts. The thing is, so far with the Colts, he sounds like he has checked off many boxes that I’d be concerned with that shows a process that he is growing up. Is he all the way there? CB and the team has him closely monitored if the plan is to get him to lead the team. I bet they know whether he washes his hands after he uses the bathroom or if he looks down the beer isle when shopping at the store lol.
he isn’t going to have fully proven his worth until he is given the chance to do so. CB and the team will know when that’s right. My gut says it’s 2020 unless he has said or done something that hasn’t been reported, otherwise, he has shown he can remove himself from being a distraction. If you couldn’t trust that the kid could be a starter for 2020, there just is zero reason why we would have kept him on the active roster imho. Because we are either going to draft a new QB or get one that’s starter material in 2020 if CK isn’t in that mix. That means, it’s the new guy, with JB backing him up (maybe starter again if it’s one of the kids who needs time to watch) and then I highly doubt we keep 3 QB’s on the active roster in 2020. Just too many signs for me that screams CK is getting the chance to beat out JB this season.
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1 hour ago, NannyMcafee said:
I for one would love to see what he can do as starter. The thing is, the LEADER of your team has to be of sound mind and CK has proven otherwise and therein lies his issues. He can be the greatest player in the world. Elite good. But if you're not right between the ears he could dismantle this entire team single handedly. Can you say with absolute confidence that hes not going to have a bad night one day and just go out on the town get drunk and maybe get into it with someone? That is far from getting drunk and jumping into some water in public. What if he has one really bad game? Or a string of bad games and all these critics come out and start calling him a bum? Can you say with absolute confidence that he wont react badly to criticism? I mean, he didnt have a lot of critisim early in life and he reacted badly to that. He has shown over several years that hes a bum. And only 1 year of being a good team mate. 1 year. I think the only hope CK has right now is to be a back up for the next 2 or 3 years. I for one, dont want to waste 2 years with CK just to see him completely fall apart later, when we need him most, when we could also find our QB of the future now, today, one who can be gaining some chemistry with this team, who has his head on straight.
You certainly bring up some great questions. You end up losing me though by calling him a bum. He was an immature kid who had that last name of Kelly and felt entitled, probably because he had been treated as such as he grew up sadly.
I have the example of Big Ben and how he came into the league. He screwed up a lot and was arrogant and got the big head but eventually he grew up and has been a reasonable leader for Pitt for several years now. It’s possible that Kelly will/has too.
CK has been kept on the team when it would have been much easier to just part with him. I feel like they have left him on the active roster during the year for a purpose. I’m sure that Reich and Jim Kelly have both sat down with him to explain where he is, that he is being mentored and challenged here. I’m certain they’ve explained, choose a path because you only get to go down one and it better be the path your willing to stay on. The colts no doubt have given him support and resources to thrive without the immature Frat party life.
so in short, Chad Kelly is being evaluated by Reich, CB and even Irsay maybe. The scouts and assistant coaches may have input here also. The leaders of the team may be consulted here as to what their take on him behavior and has he shown the growth mentally that’s needed to run a team. If we can trust that process and he has stayed on the team all this time, especially down the stretch run when we could have used his position, I think the team has true plans for him in 2020 and beyond. That’s my take because if he was a headcase still, he would not have stayed on the active roster near the end of the season. This team likes Kelly.
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22 minutes ago, Hoose said:
From that list of WRs currently on the Colts roster, I count three worth holding on to:
TY, Pascal, and Campbell ( and maybe Fountain ). There rest are just guys who don't get consistent separation, if at all. You had to see what everyone else saw: when TY is out, the pass offense suffers mightily. They need an heir apparent to TY who can serve as the Robin to his Batman in the meantime. And this is the year to find that guy.
I won’t disagree that after TY (prior to 2019) all of these players could potentially be replaced with a new shiny draftee wr. The problem here is twofold imho. 1. You either think the QB has created issues with the wr’s looking worse than they are and 2. So many draft prospects have high ceilings listed but can’t seem to turn it on in the nfl post college success.
if you are in camp 1, would the players we are in the process of developing be much better if we had a QB who could anticipate a wr’s break better? By adding more wr’s to develop and having JB throw it to them, would it help? If we are changing QB’s don’t you think that would in turn also help develop the guys we currently have with high ceilings? We then get to use those picks on TE’s, OT,DT, CB etc...
im not saying we have 8 blue chip wr’s on the team and based off 2019, one questions that we have 1 blue chip. I’m saying improve that QB slot and all the guys we have now have every bit of potential to bring in a great skill set that we currently have in the stable.
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1 minute ago, lincolndefan said:
Thank You!!!!!!!!! Finally some common sense!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't have stated it any better!
I’ve been on the bandwagon of CK for awhile now. I’ve littered the forum with my reasons to think he is in the mix for that opportunity to be the guy this year. Most have called that crazy talk but I still plug away and am in his corner. I honestly believe that the only reason CB didn’t put CK in when he should have while JB was blowing chunks on his jersey was to test how will CK mental side of the game be handled when he knows he should be given a shot but is told he won’t be considered. I strong believe that in CB mind, if CK can handle that stress and disappointment without lashing out and behaving like a teenager who is entitled because of his last name, CB will feel comfortable with the belief that CK has been able to grow up beyond his high school and college and Denver antics. He may have finally got it. Now let’s see if he can perform on the field like we think he can understanding the mental side has been addressed and to the best of the teams ability, won’t become an issue if he finds success again.
Big Ben also had the maturity issues early on and he finally grew up and he has a shot at the HOF someday. Again, not calling CK a potential for HOF, rather comparing his abilities to the guys in the first round for this draft.
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I am a big fan of letting Kelly take the reigns over and not drafting a QB in the first couple rounds. Take one later to groom in parallel with CK just in case the head falls back into young and stupid Kelly. Going this route allows you to get a guy later with some upside and if Kelly works out and we also develop the second guy, we have trade material a few years in.
who Kelly reminds anyone is irrelevant imho because they all get put in different schemes, coaches and players around them. Troy Aikman in his prime would be a failure if he was behind the olines we trotted out 2012-2017 but he sure was a heck of a college talent.
I don’t look at Kelly as being a HOF guy we aren’t playing, however, I don’t think any of the guys coming out this year are either. I surmise that Chad Kelly has every bit of the skill sets that any of these guys we are looking at in round 1 this year. Why would we spend high draft capital on one when we have a guy who matches up equally as well with all of these kids potential and he is already on the team and understands the system well. CK May fail, but so may Love, Eason, Herbert, and Tua. I think it’s higher % that we go with Kelly than taking risk on a guy at 13 who could possibly flop. Losing out on that pick sets you back 3-5 years. Missing on CK sets you back one as you go after the next years QB class.
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15 hours ago, WarGhost21 said:
So, in thinking today about some picks and whatnot, I have decided to come up with a new Mock Draft for the team, and this time, I wanted to make some trades. Let's get into it!
Round 1, Pick 13: Javon Kinlaw, DT, South Carolina
The more I work through scouting and mock drafts, the more I feel like, should Kinlaw be there at 13, he has to be the pick. He is exactly what Ballard has said he's looking for, and exactly what this team needs. Kinlaw steps in as a Day One starter, and has All Pro upside within a few years. Unless Derrick Brown falls here, Kinlaw is my choice 9 times out of 10.
TRADE!!!!!
The Colts Trade Picks 34 and 75 to the Buffalo Bills for Pick 22
Round 1, Pick 22: Jordan Love, QB, Utah State
I know, I know. Surprising, isn't it. However, I never was on the train of thought that Jordan Love wasn't good, I just didn't want to use Pick 13 on him. However, he is moving up slowly in my rankings and now has a decent gap between him and my QB 5 of Jacob Eason. I would prefer to get Love with Pick 34, but I don't see him falling past the Saints at 24, so we leapfrog them here to get our (hopefully) Franchise QB. Bring in a Vet (Rivers/Brady?) to mentor him for a year and see where he takes us!
Round 2, Pick 44: Neville Gallimore, DT, Oklahoma
Kinlaw slides in at the 3-tech, and Gallimore comes in as our new 1-tech. Gallimore is a very good interior lineman, and pairing these two early picks together up front will tremendously improve both our pass rush and overall defense. If Gallimore isn't here, I'd look at Ross Blacklock, though he projects more as a 3-tech like Kinlaw.
Round 4: Solomon Kindley, G, Georgia
Kindley is my top rated Interior O-lineman, yet I have seen him fall this far in many drafts before. He is dominant at everything he does, with the only knock on him being that he might want to lose some weight to move faster in the NFL. Other than that, he is a beast. He would replace Glow on the right side almost from day one, and help our front line become even more dominant, potentially making it the unquestioned best in the league pending Castonzo's decision.
Round 5: Chase Claypool, WR, Notre Dame
An amazing WR, the only knock on Claypool's game is that he is too slow. If he does well at the combine in the 40, he could shoot up draft boards, as his skill set is that of a round 1 talent. I think he could take over as our WR1 in a few years, as he is that good to be going this late in the draft.
Round 6 (1st): Antonio Gandy-Golden, WR, Liberty
I know back-to-back receivers doesn't sound great, but each of these guys have so much potential in a deep class that I can't miss out on either. Given a few years of development, if they both pan out, they could be our top two WRs for the future after TY.
Round 6 (2nd): A.J. Dillon, RB, Boston College
This team has a great running game, but none of the guys on the roster really fit well in a goal-line back role. That is Dillon's specialty. At this late stage of the draft, getting a guy who could score 10+ touchdowns as a rookie is a massive get for a team that all to often is forced to pass or sweep outside in short yardage situations.
Round 7: Shyheim Carter, S, Alabama
A late round steal, Carter is a team's chess-piece. He has the speed to play as a nickel corner, while also having many times where Saban moved him to a sub LB. He won't start for the team, but in obvious passing situations he can come in and play an important role of shutting down the short and intermediate area's of the field.
Any changes you might make? Any surprises? Who here is your favorite pick, and who don't you like? Mock draft 3 will come out at some point soon after the Combine! I hope you enjoy this draft as much as I do! GO COLTS!!
I think your plans are well thought out and good discussion. I however tend to think 2 factors change this draft up so much that it can’t be predicted as to what the Colts will do, especially in the first round.
the 2 biggest factors will be
1. does AC stay or retire?
2. Does CB see C. Kelly as a potential long term solution (I lean yes)
In saying that, if AC stays, I’ll agree we take Kinlaw or Brown (assume Brown is gone by 13). After that, I don’t see a trade up. At 34, I could see either an OT or a WR (my least favorite option) and then go get Gallimore with 44 but wouldn’t be upset to get him at 34 either as I think those two D-Line guys will pair well together.
i don’t see us grabbing 2 wr’s in this draft, especially back to back guys. Now, if CB feels like he will move on from TY after this season, it’s possible but that’s a big assumption. This team has wr’s that CB loves.
1.TY2. PC
3. A. dullin
4. D. Fountain
5. Pascal
6. M. Johnson
7. Z. Pascal
8. S. Ishmael
I don’t see the colts using big draft capital on a wr when they have at least 2 of those guys already on the team to develop. Honestly 3 with Dullin, PC and DF as legit guys to develop.
also one thing to consider in the draft construction is what, if any, FA player do we sign to alter our plans? If we take one of the premium pass rushers that’s out there, does that alter taking 2 DT’s? If we take Chris Jones, do we take someone at 13 besides a Kinlaw? What if we snag a top WR like A. Cooper? Just too many variables to know how to shape a draft. If we still had Luck at QB, I think it really clears up a lot of questions but it’s where we are at currently.
I do enjoy reading everyone’s draft summaries though. Thanks for all the work you guys put into it.
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12 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:
So do u really think the Chiefs will let him go? Yes they r hard up against the cap, but they will make it work. He is the best player on their D, they will not let him go
I see anything as possible. One person we know there is zero chance to leave the team and that’s Mahomes. Outside of him, Kelce and Hill, I don’t know if anyone else has the same level of must keep at all costs for this team. I don’t follow KC and didn’t look at their cap space but I know earlier in the year, there was an article talking about KC not Re-signing him as they focused on other need to the team. So we see guys we never think would get away from a team only to see them hit a big FA payday. KC will just have to decide if they are going to include him as a center piece to the team and a top paid guy in the league.
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4 minutes ago, lincolndefan said:
No, i totally disagree. Brissett lost the team. Or at least some of the team. He has to go and ASAP. Kelley was kept for a reason and it wasn't a favor. LOL
Brissett was fine until he added tape and coordinators were better able to plan for his issues. He was injured on top of that and then lost his primary weapons but still, after the half, he just looked like a rookie again. I don’t trust that JB can come back and build upon what he worked through last year. I think it’s certainly time to look elsewhere for our starter, whether it’s CK, Carr or #1 draft pick. You can’t stay and hope JB learned enough to be the guy moving forward.
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On 1/25/2020 at 11:13 AM, 2006Coltsbestever said:
IF AC retires, I would draft a LT at #13, DT at #44, and a WR in round 3. If we did trade our #34 for Carr.
This is solid!
On 1/25/2020 at 1:50 PM, chad72 said:If we get Carr, both Hoyer and Chad Kelly will probably get cut, helps on multiple fronts w.r.t roster spots and getting an instant starter that fits Reich's system.
However, we'd have to make that trade after the No.12 pick, IMO. You have to force the Raiders' hand first, to declare their pick and call them over the next 15 minutes to do it. In other words, a few things need to happen:
1. Stay pat at No.13, no matter what
2. Then, see if the Raiders get a QB at No.12
3. If both of those happen, I feel the Raiders will take the No.34 for Carr but if the Raiders do not go QB, you go on as originally planned because that might mean Raiders would demand No.13 for Carr, which would be a non-starter for me
My thinking would be that if LVR took a QB at 12, they lose leverage on trading Carr for a higher pick. Teams know they can offer less or just wait until they cut him. I see a third round pick being enough in your scenario.
8 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:No veteran QB excites me. I want a young stud. That is exciting.
Carr isn’t an old recycled guy, he is like restarting with Luck again.
7 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:Carr is still a veteran and I would rather draft a young kid if there is one out there they like. Carr just does not excite me. It’s starting to be a young QB league again. We are going to have to compete with a lot of hot shot Young QB in the AFC going forward.
If we were to get Carr, he gives this team 6 solid seasons at least. That is an adequate return imho and allows you to grab a guy 4 years down the road to start grooming. Carr would be a safe pick and allow the defense to also grow into a tougher force along the way.
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If we take a splash into FA this season, I’m on board with this guy. He will cost a ton but he makes a difference in the middle. So unless CB is thinking of taking a DT with his first pick of the draft this year, then take the QB later, this is a great option and CB knows him from inside the organization. Win/win.
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If I’m a betting man, it’s between Love, Hebert, Brown and Kinlaw. There is almost zero chance imho that CB takes a wr at 13. I’ll add OT if AC retires but I kinda think the longer it drags on, he will re-sign and OT becomes a third priority. I wouldn’t be shocked 1 bit if WR isn’t a draft pick this year at all.
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4 hours ago, ztboiler said:
We reaped 3 twos (2 of them high 2s) from the Jets to drop from 3 to 6.
What does everyone think the actual cost would be to get from 13 to 4?
It’s always about how bad two teams either want to move up or down. The trade sheet is a guideline and if a team absolutely wants a guy, he will be willing to overpay (see the saints draft for Ricky Williams). The same holds true, say a team really doesn’t want to stay in that third spot and he can’t find a partner willing to pay premium, that team will either opt to accept less or bite the bullet and take the pick. Always some head scratchers when trades happen, just need the two team offers to match each other.
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1 hour ago, 1959Colts said:
So they kept Kelly on the team last year, not to play?
...but rather, for him to further develop his character?
Yes. I think at sometime in this season, CB figured he was not going to be able to go forward with JB as the future and at some point determine where this Kelly kid had the mental strength it will take to become a leader of the team if called upon for the upcoming years. Makes zero sense to keep the kid on the team, not dress him even though JB was hurt/ineffective while still needing cb’s or wr’s due to injuries. He paid him well above the avg PS player salary to keep him here. Just too many signs pointed to CB went above and beyond to keep him here.
look, nobody here has disputed any of the kids football talents. Nobody here has disputed the mental aspect and maturity part of the kids game either. If he has been able to show CB and FR that he has matured, his football skills match up equally as well, of not maybe better than does Love or Heberts games and we know how he fits into the locker room and what he can do in practice. If he doesn’t screw up and maintains the Boy Scout, hard worker this offseason, I’m telling you, Kelly is going to get a fair shot at being the starter here in 2020.
need to have a poll that asks Kelly as starter 2020 yes or no with no other options or comments just so we can come back and see who said what in a thread
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On 1/27/2020 at 2:08 PM, FalseStart said:
It was either on his weekly video last year and/or on the Stamped Blue site... 100% positive he said 3rd/4th round is where he values DTs... I’ll search for it.
I do recall CB saying that about value of the DT, however, he has said this offseason that we absolutely have to get better at the DT spot to make this defense work better. I think he sees that he may have placed that spot a little undervalued for this defense and will take a swing at getting it better in order to really open up the defense. It may have also meant, he placed last years draft tackles at valued starting in the 3rd round based on the talent that was there. Idk. I do think he will take a look at the FA market for a DT (Jones??) and work inside the draft from there. He is gonna buy a player somewhere this year, bank on it.
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2 hours ago, BleedBlue4Shoe86 said:
Okay so let’s look at Ballards comments on Chad Kelly on Dakich:
Dakich: The fans really wanted Chad Kelly to get a shot. Is Kelly in any type of future plans?
Ballard: "Let me tell you this: he's got some natural playmaking to him. Here's my deal with Chad, because I heard the clamoring, too — my kids. I mean, they love Chad; they love Jacoby, and they love Chad. I mean, Chad had earned trust. I'm not talking about on the field — we had to trust him off the field. I mean, he had screwed up a few times to where, 'We're your last shot here, son. So you're we're gonna have some guidelines here about what you have to do, and you've gotta earn trust.' And first time we cut him, he had this look of, 'You're cutting me?' I'm like, 'Damn right I'm cuttin' you. And you're gonna go to the practice squad and you're gonna continue to work, you're gonna continue to do the things we're asking you to do.' Do I think he has a future in the league? Yes. Does he continue to have to earn trust each and every day? Yes."
First, so I have long felt that Kelly would not take JBs place this previous season and would gladly call out anyone who did. I feel like after hearing this, it confirmed what a lot of us thought, this year was about Kelly showing he could be a good teammate and stay in line. That was it. It was never about him actually seeing the field.
Second, I think this could also confirm that we might just be in for a draft of building D-line and getting weapons. Then taking a QB in the mid rounds, maybe 3-4 range. Why do I say that, when asked about Kelly, Ballard said he had a future in the league and was a natural playmaker. I could see Ballard believing he can roll with Brissett, Kelly and Rookie. Let them battle it out in training camp and see what happens. He could view Kelly as better than any other QB that would be available to us. Could all be conspiracy, but definitely now feel that a very least Kelly will be on this roster next year unless he gets in trouble this offseason.
What do y’all think?
Yeah, I pretty much agree with this and have been saying it since before the season was up. Think CB really likes Kelly and I honestly think CB feels he as much talent as the guys that’s obtainable in the draft to him with the unknowns of maturity level. Stay out of trouble during the 2019 season, check. Stay humble and make zero noise. Check. Stay clean and quiet up until the draft and our board goes from QB pick 1 into either OT, DT or WR possibly. Wouldn’t shock me in the least to see rd 3 picking a QB to groom. If CK plays and works out like hopes, we maybe are able to turn that QB into a draft haul 2-4 years down the road idk.
my gut feeling has been, CB kept the kid on this roster when we could easily have picked up another player to fill in for other injuries but we kept him. That tells me a lot.
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3 hours ago, jchandler7 said:
In regards to Chad Kelly...He MAY have the skills to play QB at a high level. But, is his head in the right place to be the leader of this team? Listening to Ballard, it sounded to me like the front office/ coaching staff do not fully trust him yet. They believe he's still got alot to prove and has to earn their trust. IMO we cannot roll into next season hoping Kelly has his head on straight and is ready to be the leader on & off the field.
You’re right, I think the front office have confidence in his skill set to run the team but the head issues still were a concern last year. I base this from the interview CB had with Dan Dak where he mentioned the off field issues. Look, if CB didn’t have high confidence in Kelly’s on field abilities, he never would had kept his spot last year when he needed a roster spot. I honestly feel like CB tested the kids metal by taking the approach of making the kid watch the team struggle knowing ( or thinking) he could help the team while JB. Was struggling. If CK could handle the stress and strain of being forced to watch his team struggle and not lash out or say stupid things, his physical talent along with his newfound mental growth will help CB make the choice to not force a QB in the first. I think CB thought genuinely that JB could make the leap, he didn’t and he kept CK on as a cheap insurance policy and allowed his mental growth to be checked out. So far, CK has passed the mental growth test since arriving in Indy. He has made no news that was negative. Manage that same pattern and I think we see CK competing for the starters role in 2020.
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2 hours ago, Indeee said:
Stay the course.
I really hope the Colts do not take a QB at 13. IMO, staying the course the most sense on how to handle this offseason.
At 13 take either the DT or WR depending on how the team is going to handle FA. If their plan is to go after an interior DT in FA, then you go WR at 13 and vice versus regarding the WR. Robby Anderson is the only receiver I would take a run at in FA, unless they are prepared to throw more money at Cooper than Dallas could handle. Not sure the Colts will or not in the FA WR area.
There is no need to grab a QB in this draft until 4th round or later, if then at all. Jacoby is NOT the answer IMO unless something miraculous happens, however he is under contract another year. Hoyer is under contract for 2 more years I believe, however he should be released/cut. Kelly is under contract 2-3 more years I believe and should be considered the backup to Jacoby going in on paper. Mariota, as example, could be brought in on a prove it deal similar to Tannehill in Tennessee to compete. Jacoby, Marcus, and Chad is a solid start, and most importantly shouldn't be that expensive to maintain.
My point here is that the Colts can tackle BIGGEST needs at WR and DT in the draft and FA, without having to sacrifice those efforts on a rookie QB.
Personally I do want to see Kelly get a real shot at winning the job, as I believe our QB is already on the team, but I also feel the WR and DT positions are just far more important to this Colts team moving forward than to keep pushing it off and trying to fix it with later round selections and mid-tier FA's as each off-season comes and goes.
I hold a lot of these same thoughts. In fact, if you are picking a QB in the first with a boom or bust feeling, you’re going down the Cleveland Browns path. But if your taking one in the 4th and beyond, there are some serious flaws and that where you hope that they are overcoming flaws with time, but it’s 3+ years away I’d bet.
my other belief has been shared here in several posts. I honestly feel like Chad Kelly was kept on this roster to challenge for the starting spot in 2020. He gives you every bit of prospect as you do with all the guys we have available to us with the exception of Burroughs (not available to us though). He has the arm, he can run, he has football IQ. His issues are off the field and maturity. I still say CB, once he seen that JB likely isn’t going to be the answer, kept him on the roster last year when he needed a roster space. He likely gave him the ultimatum of that last chance type stuff and said if you can keep your nose clean and work hard this offseason, prove to us through your rough growing pains that you can overcome adversity, we see you as a fit moving forward but we have to know you can stay clean and focused even when everything looks bleak. We have to know you will be here for this team through good and bad times. I believe CK will be the starter in 2020 coming out of PS.
assuming CB follows my theory, we take a trenches guy first pick. If AC retires, it’s OT, if he stays, it’s DT. A team thrives on 4 things. 1. QB play 2. OT protection 3. DLine pressure and 4. Middle dline push. Without those pillars, teams fail.
as for the back up QB, I’d certainly change Hoyer with anyone else, he isn’t good. If not like Marcus M either. Yuk! If Foles is cut, I can see him as a fit but he likely isn’t coming to be back up, he’d have to be given a honest chance to compete for the starters role, and I’d just rather pass. I’d be more than happy to try and reasonably acquire Carr though, he would be my only acceptable choice to move forward with a FA choice and place over Kelly at this point.
going to be an interesting offseason to see where this team is heading.
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On 1/21/2020 at 2:08 PM, Chloe6124 said:
Two of the best guys in doing mocks have Love before Herbert.
If it gets to this point after the combine, the pro day work outs and the private meets, will it come down to the 3rd largest franchise decision in the modern era for the Colts? Could it be CB’s Polians type
of decision? The Manning vs Leaf type of decision with Love vs Hebert? If you have both to choose from and you miss, you are set back for 4-5 years and you’ve turned over GM and coaching staff again.
whoever CB picks, whether it be a QB or something else, it better be right and it better correct the ship or CB and FR won’t be here in 2 years imho. While I think CB and FR get some rope for Luck throwing the entire rebuild plan away when he suddenly quit, the staff will have to show the ability to overcome that huge loss and in a hurry. Obviously 2019 failed to prove they could by counting on JB and Vinny to score enough points, what they do this offseason to improve the team will matter for their jobs in 2021 imho.
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7 minutes ago, DougDew said:
As you know, the NFL doesn't allow teams to spend enough to fill every position with all pros, so we have to choose where to put them, and then use those positions to build around.
We have excessive talent at the LG spot. It would be a waste to now build a team around a Mahomes type of QB who needs a LG to only hold a block for 2 seconds, within an O that does not feature power running.
We should build it like the Titans or 49ers. Game manager Qbs who can come up big when it matters but not a QB who the team has to rely upon virtually every play to succeed.
If people want that type of O, then we should probably trade Nelson to get more capital to then get that QB.
We don’t even have an above avg game manager, we at least need to fix that starting point. I’m more than fine with having an oline who shreds big open holes consistently for the run game and allow the QB to PAP off of that into wide open zones to our TE’s or quick hitters with our speedy guys. JB doesn’t give us that even very well.
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10 hours ago, shastamasta said:
I think Kelly and Hilton are both already on the books for next year...so their extensions wouldn't really affect the available cap space...at least not to that degree.
I can't imagine giving Funchess $10M again. Injuries happen...but a lot of has changed since they gave him that deal. The guy that was supposedly going to turn Funchess into a real threat (a dubious propostion to begin with IMO) has retired..and an UDFA stepped in and provided production...and he will cost a fraction of that $10M next year. I think the Colts have Hilton, Campbell and Pascal as the returning players...and then you add two legit rookie WRs to the mix...and maybe some vet/UDFA competition.
With that much cap space, I would hope to do more than add Michael Brockers. I don't really have any interest in Vance McDonald...certainly not on anything more than a really cheap one-year deal.
I love the offensive focus in the draft...that is my preferred route.
I think many have forgotten the other DF ( D. Fountain). I am not sure where PC is going to finally land for this offense but I definitely don’t see this team (nor do I see Funch wanting to come back here) giving Funch 10 mil/yr again when we have such the ?? at QB currently. I think you’re right though with TY, PC and Pascal but let’s not forget to add in Fountain and then they were extremely high on Ashton Dulin and then Frank loves Marcus Johnson. Unless there is a guy who falls to us in the 3rd round, I can’t see why this team would ignore the trench spots first or the QB spot if CB’s guy falls in his lap. I just feel like this team is pretty well enough set at the wr spot for the 2020 season under our currently structured team. If we had Luck suited up for 2020, I’d be fine acquiring that star wr in the first and DT next.
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Be Careful what you wish for
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So true. Everyone has opinions and none of us know any better than the next. We are all weekend GM’s without a paid position on the team lol. My opinion is formed from just observations of what the team has done and what I interpret things to mean. I may be wrong (highly likely) or I could have something in my theory. It’s really just fun to guess and lay out how you see things working out. It’s the offseason, it’s what we do best.