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& Smoking medicinal if you really believe that , Reading what ?
All of the experts who say that Houston's talent does not equate into a 14 loss team and that they will have a Colts like resurgence this year. They just won't do it with a QB drafted number one.
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Davis is good. No doubt. He doesn't pick off a ton of passes but he's a shutdown corner for sure. Up until the Denver game this season he had every right for a case of DPOY. After that he seemed slowed by injury, but he was still a better corner than this city has seen in about as long as I can remember.
What?
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I have yet to hear even one rumor of any team even interested in Davis other than the Colts.
There have been some. I saw the 49ers and Denver.
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I'd give him an ultimatum really. If he wants anything over 10m...Goodbye. And I'm a person that that considers the secondary one of the most important positions on the team and worthy of spending much monies on.
Think that has already been done and he has an offer of $10 million or more.
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Vontae is OUR corner, He's been groomed for the past two seasons to fit OUR scheme, He is an A1 #1 starting corner who has shutdown abilities and has more games that he has dominated his matchup than games he has'nt. Show me ANY corner who has dominated their reciever every week.....Exactly it doesnt happen!! Vontae's age, skill set, proven ability & experience in our scheme is being completely overlooked by some of you who are so easy to let him walk bcuz we might pay him a mil or 2 more than you think he's worth...Guess what? If we let Vontae walk, ALL the leverage goes to the FA we target to replace him, And we WILL REALLY over pay for a guy not nearly as good anyways. I dont understand why some of you get so sick of the idea that he may get a little more than YOU would want to pay? So what? someones gonna pay him and he's still gonna be a lot richer than you or I will ever be anyways so why hate? Good thing I trust Grigs. to handle Vontae instead of some of what I been reading. Hopefully Vontae really wants to stay and he & agent just want to hear numbers/terms from other teams to verify market value b4 they let Grigs cut a check.
I like most of what you say but Davis is not a shutdown corner. There only a couple of those in the NFL.
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How am I misstating your position? You said right here if we have the number one pick and Luck is on the board you trade the pick?
With the benefit of been able to watch him for two years, I find that baffling.
Oh and as to your "new model" about playing QB roulette until one finally hits, that's not new. Lots of teams have been doing that. It works about once every ten years or so.
Once again, I did not say that I would have traded Luck when the Colts took him. However, if Andrew Luck came up this year and the Colts had the first round pick and I could get that same boat load of draft picks (three ones and three twos if I recall correctly) I would trade his rights and take the picks. I would use one of those picks to take someone like Derek Carr and bring in someone like Cassel to be the bridge to getting him ready to play. I believe that is the new model for building a team. We should be able to tell in a draft or two. Wouldn't it be something to see the 49ers let Kaep go and draft another QB in the second round who would be on his rookie contract and they could keep that team together? I don't think that will happen yet but it could be the wave of the future under this new CBA.
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Interesting thoughts but I don't think you can say that the Ravens and Seahawks were intentionally building their teams and then plugging in a QB. The Ravens drafted Flacco in the first round and deemed them their guy from the get go and he was not part of the rookie cap either. And while they did a nice job of filling around Joe that playoff run was Joe's show. They won the ring in large part due to his unbelievable play in the post-season - 11 Tds to zero picks.
I also do not believe the Seahawks were intentionally trying to build a team first as they had given up a number 2 and a boat load of money to the Packers for Flynn. They got lucky with Wilson in the same way the Pats did with Brady.
To even suggest the Colts NOT take Luck in any draft is just foolish. The most important piece on any team is the QB as like you said teams are shying away from RBs in favor of the passing attack as the rules favor the passing game.
It has always taken a team to win the SB and the QB has always been the main cog with the exception of Trent Dilfer and a few others over the past five decades of Super Bowls.
We will see. It hasn't worked so far with Rams and Sam Bradford. It hasn't worked for many number one pick QBs. Trent Dilfer is no longer the exception. You have three of those type QBs in the last two Super Bowls. I was not suggesting that any of those three teams did it on purpose. In fact, I am sure they did not but what they have done is show the NFL a new and perhaps faster route to the Super Bowl because of the rookie pay scale. I got hooted down but I think you will see teams that are rebuilding like Pittsburgh, Atlanta, the Giants, Cowboys and a few others with high priced QBs, deal or cut those QBs to adopt the new model of put it all together first then get the QB. I'm not suggesting that will happen soon but if the 49er, Seahawk and Ravens model happens again, it could become the norm. The next team prime to build this way is Houston. It is going to shock a lot of folks here if they take Clowney, draft a QB in the second or third round. If they do that, I could see the Texans contending for the Super Bowl almost immediately. I have been around for a while. I remember when the conventional wisdom was that you did not draft QBs with high picks because it took several years of being a back-up to learn the pro game. That is not so long ago. It only changed when the NFL became a primarily passing league and some first rounders like Peyton Manning and others showed they could play from game one. Even Brett Farve sat on the bench for a season or two. The list of lower round QB selections who starred in the NFL is about as long as the ones who made it in the first two or three picks in the first round. I am watching but I am betting a corner has been turned and building a great defense and an O-line will become more important that drafting a QB first. The QBs will stay healthier with that approach too. We are might fortunate that Andrew has taken so much punishment and is still upright. It didn't happen that way for all franchise QBs.
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Let me drop a draft scenario and I wanna see what you guys would do if you were gm's
Texans: Blake Bortles QB
Rams: Sammy Watkins WR
Jags: Teddy Bridgewater QB
Browns: Marquis Lee
Raiders: Greg Robinson
Falcons: Jake Matthews
Bucs: Khalil Mack
Vikings: Anthony Barr
Bills: Taylor Lewan
Lions: Mike Evans
Titans: Darqueze Dennard
Giants: Eric Ebron
Rams: Kony Ealy
Bears: Zack Martin
Steelers: Justin Gilbert
Cowboys: Johnny Manziel
Ravens: Louis Nix
Jets: CJ Mosley
Dolphins: Tim Jernigan
Cardinals: Xavier Sua Filo
Packers: Aaron Donald
Eagles:
Clinton DixChiefs: Rashade Hageman
Bengals: Jason Verrett
Chargers: Odell Beckham
Browns: Calvin Pryor
Saints: Dee Ford
Panthers: Kelvin Benjamin
Pats: Jace Amaro
Niners: Cyrus Kouandjio
Broncos: Ryan Shazier
Seahawks: Brandin Cooks
2nd Round
Texans: Kyle Fuller
Redskins: Stephon Tuitt
Browns: David Yankey
Raiders: Derek Carr
Falcons: Carlos Hyde
Bucs: Morgan Moses
Jags: Kyle Van Noy
Vikings: Trent Murphy
Bills: Davante Adams
Titans: Carl Bradford
Giants: Tre Mason
Rams: Bradley Roby
Lions: Austin Sefarin-Jenkins
Steelers: Allen Robinson
Cowboys: Marcus Roberson
Ravens: Lamarcus Joyner
Jets: Troy Niklas
Dolphins: Gabe Jackson
Bears: Dominique Easly
Cardinals: Antonio Richardson
Packers: Marcus Martin
Eagles: Kereem Martin
Bengals: Jordan Matthews:
Niners: Will Sutton
Chargers: Paul Richardson
Saints: Kareem Decary
Colts: Grigson gets a call from the brwons. They offer 2 third round picks for their second rounder and you accept the trade
Browns: Jimmy Garopollo
Panthers: Jaylen Watkins
Niners: Donte Monciref
Pats: Jimmie Ward
Broncos: Bishop Sankey
Seahawks: Jack Mewhart
3rd round:
Texans: Brandon Thomas
Skins: Marcus Smith
Raiders: Trevor Reilly
Falcons: Jeremiah Attachu
Bucs: Kelcy Quarless
Jags: Pierre Dieser
Colts: Trade or draft ____
Vikings:
Bills:
Giants:
Rams:
Lions:
Niners:
Cowboys:
Ravens:
Jets:
Dolphins:
Bears:
Colts: Trade or draft ______
Cardinals:
Packers:
Eagles:
Chiefs:
Bengals:
Chargers:
Colts: Trade or draft _____
You left the likely number one pick out of the first and second rounds. Clowney....
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Again where he gets drafted is irrelevant.
If the Houston Texans draft "Jaric" with their number one overall pick, that's not going to make me a franchise QB. Considering I'm 33 and throw inaccurate ducks likely to opposing defenses, I'm going to be a bust despite my draft position.
You've been arguing that the right call would have been for the Colts to pass on Luck, trade the number one pick, then try and pick up a QB later once we've built a team that only needs a QB.
What I find personally baffling, is that you are saying this with the benefit of having been able to watch Andrew Luck play for two years in the NFL. We know he's the real deal. Anyone who denies that hasn't been paying attention.
If you want to say that the options the Texans have don't equate to franchise QBs and so they should go a different direction, that's one thing. I'm no scout but I'd probably agree with you. None of the top 3 guys really blow me away. We'll see since at least one (probably two) will be starting in our division soon.
Being in a position to draft a franchise QB is like holding a winning lottery ticket. You don't wait to cash it in until the time is perfect because it's unlikely you'll be able to get another one when you decide the time is right.
You are not stating my position correctly and you never have. I do not know if you are being intentionally obtuse or are just a troll. I would have drafted Andrew Luck when we did because that was the standard way to build a winner then. I love his play. I am overjoyed that he has survived one of the worst beatings in NFL history. Not all number one draft pick QBs do survive that (Bradford, David Carr, Couch and many, many more).
What I have said and I will continue to say until I see something to show me differently is that a new way to win has been caused by the new CBA and new rookie scale. I don't think teams rebuilding will take a QB with the number one pick just because that is they way it has been done for several decades. They are going to look at what the Seahawks, 49ers and Ravens did and adopt that model. Build your team so that you are a QB away from being a SB contender. Now, trade up, do what every you have to and find that QB. You can bring in a veteran to guide the team while you do that search.
Right now the NFL has changed regarding running backs. For years they were high first round draft choices. Now, no one (except the Colts via trade) want to give up a number one pick for a running back. Oh, it will occasionally happen with a once in a decade talent but that will be rare. Why? Because the game has changed and the NFL GMs are changing with it.
So, to make is clear, if Andrew Luck was in the draft this year and the Colts had the number one pick and were offered a boat load of number one and two picks for his rights, I would take the picks and build the team using a veteran QB and draft a lower round QB to develop and keep doing that until I find the right one. That is the new Super Bowl recipe. I think it will also end the days of teams giving a huge number of picks for any QB. So, I would probably still have taken Luck unless they were making crazy offers. Do you get it now?
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I had quoted Naptown not you. He has the avatar of Peyton ....
Oh, sorry. I had people questioning my pronoun usage and whether I was a Colts fan. I just want them to build quickly to get to the SB before Luck's big dollar contract makes that more difficult. I don't think people have adjusted to the new rookie pay scale and the opportunities is presents. The Seahawks, Ravens and the 49ers did see that and made quick use of it. It is just my opinion, of course. I think this year's draft will tell the future a bit. If the Texans draft a QB with the number one pick the status quo is on. However, if they pick Clowney or trade down and pick up a QB in the second or third round while bringing in a vet to hold the fort down until that QB is ready to play (which might be this year), a new formula for building a winner is being used. The number one pick will be the best player instead of the best QB as it has been for most of the last twenty years.
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I don't think releasing Champ was a huge relief on their cap and i know Decker wasn't cause he was still in his rookie contract.... he was only paid like 700K last year. (i am aware i said only paid since that is still a whole lot of money) As for the 49ers i am not sure how close they are to the cap or what they are doing... just don't think of them as needing a corner they need more offense to get by Seattle.
I don't know what Champ was last year but he was going to be a big hit this year ($10 million). That is why he was cut. They are also going to let Moreno go although he was on his rookie contract too. Peyton will probably restructure his deal either this year or next year or possibly both years.
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Sam Bradford has yet to prove he is a franchise QB. Being drafted in the first round doesn't mean you're a franchise QB. It means the team who drafted you thought you were. Many QBs don't make the transition from college to the pros.
That simple fact is what makes your argument that we should have passed on Andrew Luck all the more absurd.
I don't get your argument. The Rams took Bradford on the old rookie scale and paid him a ton of money. He wasn't just drafted in the first round, he was drafted number one, just like Luck. However, the rest of the team wasn't ready to win and Bradford has taken a beating. They are still stuck with paying him and they still think he is their franchise QB. Sam Bradford is the prime example for my argument that you should not draft a franchise QB until the team is ready to win. The Colts could have had and may still have the same thing happen to Luck (serious injuries) and they would take about a ten year hit and have to rebuild again. Just like the Rams have had to do.
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And yet your avatar is a picture of the Denver Broncos QB ...
It is? I picked at random because I liked the action but I would take Peyton as an avatar any time.
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i believe you, it just sounded like you werent because of those pronouns like u said. who am i to question some ones fandom
Actually, I think I used them because he has "his" view of the Colts and I had "mine". But you are still correct, it was not proper useage.
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if youre a colts fan why are you refering to other fans as "you", "they" as a fellow fan shouldnt you say we won , we did etc? i just feel like you have some reason to pretend youre a fan but youre not idk
Not at all. Just a poor choice in pronouns. I am a fan and I have been since the days of Johhny U.
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This guy is a legend. He is Mr. Clutch. He was the reason we won many games and won the super bowl in 2006. His 4-5 field goals against the ravens that season was the reason we won. If the game is ever on the line, nobody will EVER be as clutch as him. He has 4 super bowl rings and 5 super bowl appearances. What more can we say? We can get someone who can kick longer field goals but will he be able to take the pressure if the game is on the line? Most likely NOT. We have the 2 best special teams players of all time and it's an honor to have them.
He is too expensive. It is time to cut the ties and sign a much less costly kicker who has more range.
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not with the kind of cap room to sign a 8 + mil year semi proven corner.
Denver just cut Champ Bailey and they are letting Decker go too. They could make room. So could the 49ers.
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you need to learn the definition of the word fact and stop stating your opinion as if it is fact.
You THINK Werner and Richardson are busts but that is FAR FROM FACO
OK. But it is only your "opinion" that they are not busts.
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maybe the Colts trade all picks away for 2014 and 2015 to move up to top 5 and take Jadeveon Clowney. I'm joking...........or........am I? Dunnnn dunnnnnnnnn dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
I don't usually believe in trading away picks. It usually does not work out. Clowney would be a great pick but he will be that pick for Houston.
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i feel like i am feeding a troll.
Then stop doing it and hit your ignore button. I view Werner and Richardson as busts and if I could get a fourth round draft pick for either one I would do it. I package both for a third rounder. When you make a mistake, admit it and move on. Mistakes happen. All drafting and trades are about 50/50 propositions. We lost on both of these. I am not alone in this view. Modern thinks the same thing. You can nurse these guys along for another two years but then they will be out of the league. The fact is neither of them would rate even a seventh round draft pick.
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they could be mistakes...or they could not. please stop talking in absolutes about them being a bust. you feel they were a bust LAST year, we all understand that. Brown was also a "bust" for 3 years but now he is your example for why Richardson is a "bust". really he should be your example of why we shouldn't give up on Richardson.
I never thought that Brown was a running back who couldn't get yards if given carries. He showed that several time. I was more concerned that he couldn't block your Aunt Matilda and he was responsible for many plays breaking up.
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Are you being sarcastic or? We're admitting failure after what, 11 games into someone's pro career? Ok lol whatever
Not in Richardson's case, you have two years of work and he can be replaced by any journeyman RB you can get off of the streets. Werner, if he was drafted to be a project represents a huge blunder by Grigson. You do not spend a first round draft pick on a project. Now if you got him in the third round or later and declared him to be a project, I would be fine with that. Go ahead, watching him for 16 games next year and 16 games in the third year and the next year he will be out of the league. No one would give you any level of draft choice for him.
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The colts would turn down a 4th rounder for both Richardson and Werner
I am sure that is true but they probably shouldn't. It is time to admit big mistakes and get what you can and march forward. Those two are going to be lead anchors.
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we were not going to win the superbowl in 1 or 2 seasons after going 2-12. We stated it takes a few years and drafted the player we thought would be the best AFTER A FEW SEASONS. by the time you realize how wrong you are, this thread will have been forgoten. you really are being ridiculous and are not worth anymore of my time.
Ditto. Your model for building a winner is obsolete. If they Colts had taken the Seattle or 49er approach, they might actually be able to compete for a SB this year or next. But, they won't because by the time they get everything else in place Luck will take $20 million + out of the pool and these players they added will have to be cut and they will be replaced by cheaper, less effective players. I don't like the Colts chances of being SB contenders with he approach they took.
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How will the AFC South go this year?
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Those two years are gone. All that matters now is this year. Houston is drafting at the top of every round. Indy is not. Houston has better overall talent except for QB. The Colts won't go 6-0 in the South this year. Perhaps that gaudy record will come down to earth a bit unless Grigson and company do something great. I'm not sure that they will.