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    PFF Ranks Ballard In 2nd Tier (MERGE)

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    19 minutes ago, Zoltan said:

    Honestly pretty good, he's had some misses as we all know but he's consistently found great talent in the 6th and 7th round that have become starter level players. Which is really unheard of.

     

     

    2018: Zaire Franklin

    2020: Isaiah Rodgers

    2021: Will Fries

    2022: Rodney Thomas & Andrew Ogletree

    2023: Jaylon Jones

     

    Our greatest weakness has been at the QB position in my opinion with constantly churning veteran QBs every year and we will see what Richardson becomes but if he becomes what we all hope he will this team is gonna be great for the foreseeable future.

     

    I've been trying really hard to stay away from these Ballard threads but I finally got pulled into the discussion lol

    starter level for the colts is not the same as starter level for the teams leading their divisions. could these same players start for division leaders?

    PFF Ranks Ballard In 2nd Tier (MERGE)

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    12 minutes ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

    has ballard made the colts the  most talented roster in the afc south? if not which afc south team has the most talented roster?

    I rate the texans the top roster in the afc south. jags second and colts third. it is unreal how the texans did this in just 2 years. but the top roster does not always win the division. the colts still have a chance

    PFF Ranks Ballard In 2nd Tier (MERGE)

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    1 minute ago, ColtStrong2013 said:


    I don’t think the Ballard haters have much ability to step out and look at the options and really make a case for what could have been better. There were not many during his time. Especially without taking more risk. He wanted to build slowly, cost effectively (to the Irsay’s delight of cash savings im sure) while fielding competitive teams, which he unquestionably has. We won 4 games last year. One of them was against the Super Bowl champion, and one of the losses was a sole possession game against the runner-up. Step back and really look at the substance of the last seven years and compare it to the previous 7. 

    how many more years will it take to win our division? I

    am 79 years old , any chance that will happen in my time? it has been a long 7 years with no results

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    PFF Ranks Ballard In 2nd Tier (MERGE)

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    On 11/21/2023 at 4:45 PM, NewColtsFan said:


    I literally wrote the words, technically you’re right.  The 2017 record goes on Ballard’s record.   

    But you use it to demonstrate what you think Ballard’s ability is.   Every time anyone praises Ballard, you respond with his record.   You’re using the 2017 record as a weapon to demonstrate what you really think of Ballard.  
     

    I’ve pointed out all the reasons why 2017 shouldn’t be held against him.   You literally laughed.   I’ve pointed out that Irsay was willing to fire Grigson who was 49-31 with three more years on his contract but doesn’t fire Ballard with a much worse record.   And you laughed.   
     

    So please don’t tell me you’re not a hater.  You don’t think he’s very good and you’ve stated that in no uncertain terms many times.   So let’s not pretend otherwise.  
     

    You're entitled to any opinion you want,  but I don’t think you make fair arguments.  

     

    what we have here is lovers and haters !!!!!

    PFF Ranks Ballard In 2nd Tier (MERGE)

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    5 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:


    #1, this assumes that Irsay didn’t meddle entirely with the qb decisions, which I believe he forced with Frank’s input over Ballard’s. It was well known that we were hot on Herbert. Ed Dodds scouted him himself. We that pick for Buckner. It was also known that Ballard liked Fields and we went the Wentz route, which was clearly a Frank Reich influenced move in which he apologized for after the season. 
     

    #2 paying non-premium positions isn’t an issue when you have no availability at the premium positions and those that you are paying are the stars you have drafted. The cap space situation under Ballard is top notch. That’s much thanks to Mike Bluem and Ballard’s slow process. Why rush when you don’t have a stable qb room and developing premium positions? Free agency spending? Who wants to come to Indy? It’s always funny to me when people use that argument. No one is coming here on a deal that isn’t overspending. We didn’t have many options for premium positions in free agency. 
     

    #3 many new gms are fired by year 3, let’s make that clear. The successful ones all point to successful qb play. the singe reason (even though he says otherwise) Chris Ballard took this position was because of Andrew Luck. Not many teams would lose Andrew Luck and win the games this franchise has won. aside from the 2017 and 2022 seasons, this franchise has been pretty damn competitive under Ballard’s management. Those season’s resulted in coaching changes and subsequent success the following years. 
     

    My decision on Ballard is out until AR is back on that field. If he busts, I will be amongst those saying he didn’t succeed here. The jury is still very much out in my opinion. I don’t blame Irsay’s for rolling with him and the current situation for a few more years. 

    it should not take 7 years to get better, we had a very weak division most of those years. now in a short time the jags and texans seem so far ahead of us. if ballard let frank pick the talent that is still on ballard

    PFF Ranks Ballard In 2nd Tier (MERGE)

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    On 11/21/2023 at 4:28 PM, ShuteAt168 said:

    Should a coach’s first year not be included in his record because he didn’t have any say in the team? By your logic, this year shouldn’t count because CB doesn’t have his QB of choice. In all my years of following sports, I’ve never heard of eliminating a season from someone’s career record because he didn’t have the team set up exactly how he wants. It’s bizarre. I also don’t see why those of us who criticize CB using his record are “haters.” Are you a simp or fan boy? I’m optimistic about this team and being in contention for the playoffs and I like Steichen and am excited about AR, but I won’t pretend Ballard’s mediocrity hasn’t been on full display for six seasons. 

    great post

    NFL Preview Tampa Bay at Colts plus injury reports

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    3 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

    Probably just insurance for Downs.  Shane said on colts 360 he thinks they figured out some things during the self scout process. But I think you’re on to something about exploiting their bad pass defense. Minshew has  to deliver though.

    minshew will deliver if the o-line can give the wrs time to get open or shane uses 2 rbs at once to run or pass

    PFF Ranks Ballard In 2nd Tier (MERGE)

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    47 minutes ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

    you nailed it!!!!!

    nick caserio was the pats director of player personal during the pats winning records, he made sure brady had weapons and he didnt limit his roster to just the draft like ballard does. he had 22 years of experience and his team record was 246-107-1 . imo he should be ranked number one of gms, in 2 years under him the texans went from last place to fighting for first in our division. his trades and roster filling have been one of the best in the nfl. he had a big hand in the pats dynasty. ballard could take lessons from his method but ballard wont change. ballard imo should be ranked low tier

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    PFF Ranks Ballard In 2nd Tier (MERGE)

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    28 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

    I generally agree with this. However, most GMs have to draft a rookie QB and build around him anyway. Ballard had a luxury most GMs didn't for a short time. The problem was that Ballard thought he could compete with simply a veteran QB and a team he built primarily through the draft. This did two things, it stunted the teams growth by having guys like Phillip Rivers and Matt Ryan as QB rather than taking a QB early in the draft (and in Wentz's case, we gave up a 1st rounder+ anyway). We could have traded up for Herbert or Tua in 2020 for a heavy price most likely, and I have no doubt we could have traded up from 21 to 11 to get Fields as the Bears did a deal from 20 to 11. We jumped the gun on Wentz. Yes, we didn't have Steichen yet (as Fields is similar to Richardson and Hurts for him), but it's just an example of wasting capital on a veteran as well as Matt Ryan for a 3rd that wasted a year and a draft pick. 

     

    Combine that with not spending much in FA and not focusing on premium positions in the draft as well as paying non-premium positions that haven't fully worked out (Leonard obviously and somewhat Nelson), and the team is crippled in many ways and 7 years later, we are still rebuilding. I understand we can't help injuries, but Ballard's strategy was completely wrong after the fact in thinking we were a contender to sign and trade for all those veterans. The Richardson injury is just unfortunate and Minshew in hindsight, was a good backup plan. 

     

    The results are a 50-57-1 GM with a losing record, no playoff divisional wins, 1-2 in the playoffs.

     

    He's just now got us where many new GMs have their teams in years 2 and 3. This is year 7.

    you nailed it!!!!!

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    PFF Ranks Ballard In 2nd Tier (MERGE)

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    On 11/20/2023 at 10:19 AM, GoColts8818 said:

    Yeah but that’s not Buckner’s fault though.  He’s done everything you could have hoped for since the Colts got him. The Colts problem is that they have not had a QB.  Think about what happened to Polian’s teams and Grigson’a team when they lost Peyton or Luck for an extended period of time.  They were awful, like one of the three worst teams in the league awful.  Outside of last year you can’t really say that about Ballard’s teams.  That tells me he’s done a pretty good job putting the rest of the roster together he just hasn’t had a franchise QB. It all comes down to Richardson if he works out Ballard is going to be here for a while.  If he has fails Ballard is going to be gone.

    ballard needs to get ar some playmakers

    NFL Preview Tampa Bay at Colts plus injury reports

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    On 11/23/2023 at 11:41 PM, 1959Colts said:

    I feel the same way, but Minshew is due to bounce back. He's not over the hill, and is still capable of putting up a good passing game. Hopefully the bye week gave Shane some time to figure out a decent game plan. The team is fairly healthy, and we are home. TB is just a mediocre team, so the situation is about as positive as we can really wish

    i am more concerned about gus soft defense

     

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    4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:


    You can’t even take Thanksgiving off from this never ending lava flow of Ballard hate? 
     

    I sincerely hope you’re with family and friends today and throughout the holidays. 
     

    :flowers:

    why do you just assume that I  hate ballard? I dont even know him. to point out that a gm is below average at his job and that he cant build a winning team after 7 years does not mean that I hate him as a man. you defend his record that has been below average but that does not mean that you like him as a man. do you know him? or do you just like a team that is average or below. get real man.

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