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He use to have a really strong arm but has lost some of it the last 2 to 3 years. Which will happen to anybody that has as many pass attemps as he has. I also noticed that he's a little slower on his play action, he use to get 7 yards of space before the defensive end could even take two steps. It's to bad that he doesn't have the arm strength and quickness he use to becuase he is mentally far ahead of where he was at 10 years ago.
the first time i read your post i thought you were talking about luck.
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No the owners are not stupid but this is what they negotiated - instead of getting 1 billion off a 9 billion pie and splitting the rest 60-40 in favor of the players from the remaining 8 billion, they did a flat 52-48 in favor of the owners. So, they got back something. By ensuring the cap floor is enforced, the players made sure that when the cap does increase, the 90% floor also increased. Plus increased benefits for current & retired players. Both sides got a little bit and we have football now, thankfully
so you are saying the players got 4.8 to the owners 4.2 billion in the old deal. the new deal is 4.32 players and 4.68 billion owners. you made my point of there being less money for players. thank you.
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you think the players were that stupid to take a paycut outright, huh?
my friend, do you think the owners are that stupid to pay the players more money when they locked them out so they can get more of the revenue? didn't the owners get a bigger percentage of the revenue?
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Respectfully disagree. Angerer, in time, may become a great linebacker but he's just "pretty good" right now. He may be improving his coverage skills (news to me) but, given how low he set the bar, that shouldn't be a difficult task. I'll be convinced that he is the future of that position when I see him make tackles before the first down marker is reached and tackles the opposing player from the front and not the back (out of position too much yet). I also need to see an opposing quarterback take note of Pat before dumping it off over the middle. Right now, opposing quarterbacks are giddy when they get that matchup.
i completely agree!
putting him in the ray lewi and urlacher category is just ridiculous.
no team is game planning around angerer like you would a truly great lb.
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I think it is the other way. I understand that the post lockout re-signing/free agency period ended up with middle tier free agent players like Donte Whitner (S), Barry Cofield (DT) etc. get overpaid and thus has raised the salary averages across positions. Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Santonio Holmes all get paid $10 mil. a year on average or more with signing bonuses, Larry Fitzgerald gets paid $15 mil. per year on average (8 yrs, 120 mil) and thus the WR salaries have gone up across the league. Getting paid half of that for Garcon ($5 mil. avg. per year) would end up being the market value next year for him, count on that. It is by no means an unreasonable extrapolation, IMO. It is hard for us to fathom that as bei g market value but the reality is we might have to get used to such exorbitant averages.
the salary cap went down, how can salaries go up? it doesn't make any sense.
using your fitzgerald example. an above average de would deserve $10 million because freeney is going to make $20 million next year! no team would be able to get under the cap if they give contracts based on your premise.
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for everyone saying you have to "zip the ball in there", when is the last time manning "zipped the ball in there"? it's a good thing the colts weren't in the arm strength camp when they drafted manning, because they would have ended up with ryan leaf. a big time arm is not a necessity in the nfl. in fact, how many college qb's hide weaknesses in their game with a big arm, only to flop in the nfl.
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And seeing as how Garcon is currently in the top 10 for WR productivity in 2011, despite catching passes from a QB who only sees the ball for 20 minutes a game, I'd say paying 25th WR money for him is pretty good.
25th would be great, but 5 million a year is #10. there is a huge difference. the new CBA has put a damper on the escalation of salaries this year. i think free agents are going to have to get used to a new norm.
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It is not what I would want to do or I would do. It is what I think the Polians would do, along the lines of Brackett and Hayden, overpaying for average players, IMO. I am lowering my expectations till I see otherwise.
Not saying you are wrong. Where are you getting the 9th highest salary from?
This is a 2009 season WR salary list, so it is lagging behind 2 years and $5 mil. is the 20th ranked salary for WRs back in 2009. So, don't be shocked if $5 mil. is somewhere in the ranks of 25th-30th among WRs for the 2012 season, in which case that might end up being the case for Garcon.
http://content.usato...osition/WR/2009
I think you are getting it from here: http://www.spotrac.c.../wide-receiver/ - that supports your 9th ranked base salary
The difference, as you can see, is you are talking only base salary, I am talking total salary that includes the signing bonus factored in. $20 mil. for 4 yrs. for Garcon will include his signing bonus, so his base salary plus his signing bonus will total to $5 mil. per year, thus it is not just his base salary that is $5 mil. per year. Hope that is clear.
Yes, I do agree that we can take a risk with T.O or Ocho Cinco than Gonzo for that $2 mil, totally agree with that, did not think about that.
that is where i got the salary information. we pretty much agree. signing bonuses always have to be included in any base salary cince it is the only part of the salary that is guaranteed.
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Everyone was so sure we will not overpay Addai and I expected a 3 yr. $12 mil. at least and he got $14 mil. over 3 years. All it takes is one WR starved team like the Redskins to get him so that he can run block and keep Ds honest with his go route speed. His run blocking is one of the best among WRs in the league, IMO. We have no one else that knows our system that can extend the field, Reggie cannot separate with the best now. I think that will be the ballpark we end up paying Garcon, around $5 mil. per year when it is all said and done.
Gonzo, yeah, I can see him gone just as much as I can see him re-signed for a low risk 1 yr. deal.
i would rather take a 2 million risk with moss or TO than gonzo.
you would be paying garcon the 9th highest salary in the league for wr's. no way that happens. you kill the team for over paying average players.
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Re-sign Garcon, unfortunately, for a premium that he may demand (around $20 mil. for 4 years kind though it is half of Santonio Holmes and Brandon Marshall money), and re-sign Gonzo, hopefully for cheap on a 1 yr. deal (about $2 mil.). Draft an outside wideout then.
gonzo is gone. no way the colts or any other team pay him anything to sit on the bench. i would never pay garcon that much money. i doubt anyone else will ether.
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this is the craziest thing i have ever heard!
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We cannot go into next season without knowing Manning can play and there's only one way to find that out...
You cant be worried about him being reinjured....because that can happen next September too..
We need to know now..
..as soon as he's cleared to play...put him in.,.
putting him in a game is ridiculous!!
he isn't a rookie that you have to judge by game conditions. his health is the only question, and that will be shown very easily in practice.
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just throwing this out there. Yes I know the stat lines don't always tell the whole story but to be fair, Nebraska's pass defense is ranked #12 in the nation which is top 10%. That's based on total yards and 3 of the teams ahead of them have played one less game than Nebraska.
that's why i don't pay a lot of attention to stats. i didn't comment on cousins until i saw him play. ohio state's starting qb was 5-8-0 95 when he got hurt, the back up went 1-10-1 13. nebraska doesn't win that game if the starter doesn't get injured. wisconsin's qb was doing anything he wanted against neb 14-20-0 255 (most of the incompletions were drops). the best passing offense neb has faced is the #37 passing offense. big 10 teams are always going to give up less passing yards, because the conference doesn't pass much as a whole.
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Like i've stated many times before.The offensive system installed at 'MSU' is built around the running game as first option.This isn't a passing team by any means.He(cousins)doesn't have many receiving options,if any.I can think of just one(nichols).And let's clarify that he only had 1 pick and not the four stated previously.
P.S.Don't let stats fool you.If you follow the statline,then kellen moore is better than luck or cousins,which isn't the case.In fact;kellen moore isn't even going to get drafted,because of his dwarfish size(not even 6 feet tall and 190 pounds).
i didn't post or use any stats. he played terrible against a bad nebraska defense (i have WATCHED every one of their games this year). that gives me no confidence with him at the next level.
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we are on track for the 1st pick in the draft!
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Our LBs are pretty fast too
wheeler 4.76
conner 4.59
angerer 4.71
that doesn't look like the fast lb's that people keep talking about. the times look pretty average to me. the same speed i see them playing.
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Coaching is the bigger issue. Powers and Bethea have shown they can be very good players. Powers hasn't done much this year, but Bethea certainly has. Let me make this 100% clear though, we are NOT the fastest defense in football. We have the fastest front 7, but our secondary doesn't have much speed at all
excellent point! it's not even the front seven though, it's only the two starting de's that are fast.
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who cares what dungy has to say?? well, other than "sorry indy for nominating jim "radio" caldwell to replace me." nice parting gift. but hey, at least he doesn't curse.
LOL
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How are you going to trade a free agent?
most people just think you can trade and cut any player if you want without a cap hit or even a contract. sometimes i think fan is short for fantasy. LOL
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I'd say that ends in a Cowboys Super Bowl and a crappy Colts team.
it feels like we're just handing Dallas (or whoever else that would want Peyton) a dynasty. I'd much rather trade the #1 pick then Peyton.
Thats a terrible trade.
Not only is it a terrible idea and would never happen, but this:
i agree with everyone.
i could see a cowboy fan posting this trade, but a colt's fan?
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The difference is, Brady is great when running a great team.
Manning is great no matter how bad the team is.
Brady-types (see: Montana mold) need a ridiculous team around them. In that situation, they become almost unbeatable. We have seen what happens (like, the last 6 years) when Brady doesn't have a top 10 defense, a perfect offensive line, phenomenal special teams, and a top 5 ground game. He is a better QB now than he ever was during the 01-04 years, yet he won Super Bowls then. Proof that the Rings argument is a team discussion, not a QB discussion.
Manning-types (see:...only Manning) need only a football field to be successful. They see everything, they are prepared for every situation, and they can make things happen no matter what.
I'd be fine with a Brady type, but then we had better have a team around him or he will look like Joe Flacco instead of Tom Brady.
excellent post!!!
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For those keeping score..... Kirk Cousins absolutely stunk versus Nebraska today.
He absolutely stunk to high heavens, completing just 11 of 27 for 86 yards.... with 4 sacks and 4 interceptions
All these guys we're arguing about are gonna have an off day... including Luck.
But this was lower than whalecrap bad.
and the nebraska secondary has been torched by every decent qb they have played this year! this game was the best the nebraska defense has looked all year.
what happened to kirk cousins#8??????
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I don't think they make a big plays period. i like angerer but he is a wrap up tackler. He wraps up the running, then drops his hips and allows the running to gain an extra couple of yards. It was said in a earlier post that alot of the tackles are made 4 to 5 yards past the line of scrimmage and thats true. He's not meeting people in the hole and stoping them for no gain.
i completely agree!
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You don't pay Freeney for his numbers, or the downs he plays. You pay him because of his impact, which is tremendous. He sets the table for the defense.
when freeney signed the contract he was a every down de. for whatever reason, he isn't now. can you give me a list of the part time players that are payed the top salary at their position.
An Offseason Trade Scenario I Haven't Heard Mentioned Yet...
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this is really simple. do the owners get a bigger percentage of the revenue than they did before? more percentage of the money for owners means less money for the players than before the new cba.