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21 minutes ago, w87r said:
thoughts on that?
Have a little uneasy feel about it.
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8 hours ago, DougDew said:
What I saw in the games I watched looked like intentional decisions to not take off running after his first or second reads were covered. But I think he needs to run sideways earlier to extend the play and not stand back there like Marino expecting to be protected. I would think once he starts recognizing when to take off, or simply make it intentional as a coaching decision, it would begin to feel comfortable.
BTW, Bryce Young seems to take more than his expected number of sacks this year. He stays in the pocket on plays a lot longer than it looks like he should.
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51 minutes ago, EasyE said:
Exactly it's a player score and not legit on a overall team score. Football is a team sport not measured on one individual score. IMO I call hog wash on this PFF stuff. Just because I can't understand it all...
you are correct, it’s a team game.
o-line can make a qb and rb look goodqb can make the line look good
qb can make the wr look good
d-line can make the lb look good
d-line can make the cb look good
cb can make the line look good
i don’t think lb or rb have as much impact on other positions
lineman, qb, and db are probably what good gm’s feel they need the most.
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7 hours ago, DougDew said:
Seems like a case of looking through every read instead of moving out of the pocket after about the second read. Just not enough focus on the rush.
that may be what they want him to do, go through his reads. The big problem may be the terrible o-line. Would he look better with the colts line and 2 top backs? Who knows.-
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8 hours ago, Superman said:
What about doing neither? He's using his feet to run into pressure, and it's right in his face, so how does he not see it? He's also holding the ball too long, standing in the pocket too long, etc. This was evident on his Kentucky tape, also.
He needs to be much quicker making decisions in the pocket, whether he's throwing or running.
so did luck, both mannings, and other pure pocket passers. It takes them all a while to adjust to the n fl defenses. -
4 minutes ago, Superman said:
Nick Mullens never looked this good. I'd argue that the only QB that's looked close to this good in Shanahan's offense is 2016 MVP Matt Ryan. And it's close.
It's a small sample size, but Purdy is head and shoulders above everyone else that they've had. It would be no surprise for him to completely fall off and disappear. But while he's doing it, I'm giving him credit.
Yup, I might have said it in another thread, but pocket presence is an innate thing, similar to accuracy. The difference with accuracy is you can see what the problem is -- bad mechanics, bad timing, whatever. It's much harder to diagnose what causes poor pocket presence. It could just be not understanding how fast NFL pass rush gets home, but I watched Levis run right into pressure that he should have seen.
running into pressure could be that he isn’t adept at running where as a qb that runs a lot is using his feet to avoid tacklers. One is used to throwing to about a rush, the other uses their feet to avoid the rush. -
3 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
A lot of these coaching and GM rankings are tough to grade because if a GM lands the right QB, he is going to look better than he is. Same as if a Coach has a Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Pat Mahomes they look like a genius. Belichick without Brady looks like a hot mess = coaching and being a GM. Duke Tobin to me has been good but not great. During the Palmer and Dalton years he kept them competitive, but they never won a Playoff game. Then hit the lottery ticket when being able to draft Burrow and make a SB. That was a no brain #1 pick that anyone in here would have made, like with Grigson picking Luck and looking like the best GM out there from 2012-2014. Tobin is top 10 but Tier 1, nah, I don't see it.
.yes! Saved me from typing all this.-
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14 hours ago, AwesomeAustin said:
I agree with everything you just said. I will admit that my only hesitation with him is he was Mr Irrelevant. That is completely unfair but for some reason I keep waiting for him to come back down to earth. I hope he doesn’t bc what he is doing is incredible. One of the best stories in the NFL in my eyes
tom Brady was a 7th round pick. Anyone remember a person named Johnny Unitas, 9th round then cut! Don’t get hung up on where a player was drafted.-
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Pocket presence is kind of judged differently depending on the qb or offense. Manning, Brady, aikman, etc was in the form of reading the players and making check downs. There has been a long list of qb’s in the last 10 years or so that will run instead of looking for the 2nd, 3rd option. If you don’t learn to go through those reads you won’t last long, it doesn’t matter how big, strong, and fast you are,it will catch up to you. A young qb that is a pocket passer is going through those reads and will probably get sacked or make a ruched throw and it will be worse with a bad line. Running if the first read isn’t there will make it seem like you have better pocket awareness, but is that a good thing if you don’t learn to make all the reads? I have seen qb’s that looked great at the beginning turn out not so good, and the opposite (a lot of hof ones). Time will tell!
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Injuries seem to go up at all positions every year. The athletes are too big strong and fast. I have said this before. All sports have tried to take ped’s out of sports, but like everything else someone will find a way around the system. As far as qb’s, I think there has been less emphasis on protecting the qb, and that is your most valuable asset. Couple that with defenses prioritizing getting to the qb.
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21 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
I am not avoiding anything. Nice try, trying to make me look incompetent. Levis did play bad at Tampa Bay. His team put up 6 points, take stats out of it. The guy can do no wrong in your book, he could throw 3 INTS in a game and you would find away to say he played good. SMH. If Richardson played like that at Tampa, you would be bashing the hell out of him.
still avoiding the point I was making. You said your eye test is what is important, and I pointed out that you only used stats for this game to say he was bad, like you just did again.
and then try to change the subject to me hating Richardson, that isn’t true. Nobody knows what kind of nfl qb he will be!
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All game I was saying why is he moving around with little or no pressure. Maybe it is because the coaches have gotten on him about the strip sacks and he is thinking about that. But he did make some really good throws that helped the colts win the game. I know some don’t like giving him any credit, but you have to give him credit when he does good things. He made that one terrible throw when I thought he should have just kept running.
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5 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Because stats are still important to a point, they just aren't everything and don't tell the whole story. You can't just totally dismiss stats if a QB throws INT's or fumbles costing his team. I just thought his stats at Pitt weren't that good hence that post. The real reason why I posted that I thought Levis played average was because of his final 2 drives. The drive before the INT, he had a great chance to take Tennessee down for a winning drive. Milk the clock way down starting from the 48 and they went 4 and out. That drive bothered me more than his last drive. He had hurry on his last drive so mistakes happen. I never said he played bad, I said average. If you by the stats, it looked bad. I did take into account he made some tough good completions, and he is a rookie. He also took a lot of hits. So that is where stats are a non-factor.
the Pitt game wasn’t the LAST game that I was talking about. You posted right after the game his passing stats and said he was bad. Nice try avoiding what I posted though. -
2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
I personally have never been a fan of things like PFF, QB rating, or QBR. All of those are simply flawed. If anyone has watched football for at least 30 years, they know who is better than who if they have a great football mind. Who has the leadership, who makes his team better, who comes through in the clutch, who wins, EYE TEST. None of those things are measured on any made-up formula statistical measure. I have been watching since the 1977 season, so that gives me 47 seasons of knowledge
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i completely agree with you! So why would you say that Levi’s had an awful game and just post his stats from the last game? -
1 hour ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
that looks like the kind of short and sweet answer you give a player that was good in the past for your team, but may not be there long. Kind of a standard response in all sports when you are trying to be nice.-
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2 hours ago, chad72 said:
He will be back for the Bengals game, right? I wish he were available vs Henry and the Titans on the road but we might be able to win without him against the Titans.
Tenn o-line is a mess right now, I don’t know if it will improve by then, hope it doesn’t!
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On 11/12/2023 at 4:07 PM, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Will Levis 19-39, 199 Yards, 0 TD's/1 INT. Titans score 6 points. Great game.
the line was a mess with multiple backups, 21 pressures, 6 hits, 4 sacks, 5 dropped passes. The line wasn’t good for Henry ether, I think 2ypc. I think he has lucks mentality of throwing down field so he may never be a top % passer. You really aren’t trying to be fair like you said you are.like I continue to say, it’s not stats that give the true picture of how a player performed.
https://www.si.com/nfl/titans/news/tennessee-titans-mike-vrabel-will-levis-offensive-line-concerns
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Some have brought up luck’s completion %. That had a lot to do with him wanting to throw the deep ball a lot, probably because he had a great arm. Qb’s that throw shorter passes will always have a higher completion %.
as I continue to say, stats can be very misleading!
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4 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
When have I ever said Levis sucks or has played badly? Up until yesterday I haven't. I think it is a fair assessment to say he played bad yesterday. I said he played average at Pitt, that is far from saying he sucked, and you ripped my opinion to shreds. Why haven't you given me credit for saying Levis played great at Atlanta which I posted or me saying Stroud is the best so far out of the rookies? When it comes to me, you seem to nitpick every little negative thing I say about a player that you may like, or thinks will be good. When it comes to AR, when other posters say he is made of glass or won't be a franchise QB, I have never seen you once question them?? Funny. What good does it do to critique, if we just sit here and say, yeah so and so was great this week when he actually wasn't? The only thing I have ever said about AR when compared to Levis is, I think he has a higher ceiling and I wanted AR in the draft, how is that bashing Levis?
very few people here are saying Richardson is going to be a bust. The small sample size does indicate he has a propensity to get hurt. Can that change, yes. Can it continue, yes. Nobody knows! That’s all people are saying, he is mostly an incomplete on what he will become as a nfl qb. That isn’t bashing!! I haven’t seen one post hoping he fails, that’s just in the some posters heads when attacking any thing negative regarding him.
as to Levis, I saw the Steelers game and was completely impressed with everything he did. I didn’t see the first game, but everything I saw said he did very good. I didn’t see the last game, if it’s on nfl network I will watch it, if not it will be hard to comment on how he played. You seem to think a stat line tells the whole story, it doesn’t for me. Anyone that grades a player on some stat lines is meaningless to me. I have said this about other positions many times.
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3 hours ago, 1959Colts said:
Doyel: Who's No. 53 for the Indianapolis Colts and what did you do with Shaquille Leonard?
...The NFL’s official stat sheet from the game Sunday shows Leonard with nine tackles, second on the team.
The stat sheet doesn’t show what he did on consecutive plays on the Patriots’ first drive of the game, though, because officially he didn’t do anything. But the tape will show what it shows. And what it will show on the first play is Leonard tracking down Patriots running back Ezekiel Elliott in the backfield. Elliott has just caught a screen pass 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage, where Shaq bounces off to send Elliott on his way for a gain of 19 yards...
...Official NFL stats also show Leonard with those seven assisted tackles on Sunday. What the stat sheet doesn’t show is Leonard being consistently manhandled by a pulling offensive lineman – he was never expected to be strong enough to fight off blockers of that size, but now he’s lacking the quickness or instincts to avoid them – before joining a pile 8 or 10 yards downfield, as he did on several of his assists against New England.
The stat sheet doesn’t show Leonard being pancake-blocked in the third quarter, and Patriots running back Rhamondre Stevenson landing on him. It doesn’t show Colts defensive tackle DeForest Buckner dragging down Stevenson from behind after a gain of 9 yards a few minutes later, the pile rolling into Leonard, who gets credit for joining Buckner with an assist the way a stray rock might get credit for joining a landslide...
...The Colts still aren’t going anywhere, unless you count slipping farther away from a top 10 pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, but they’re credited with winning the same game Sunday where Shaq Leonard was credited with nine tackles.
And that’s good, right?
I have said for years going back to pat angerer and Garry brackett that most of their tackles were down field. I thought it was because they were undersized. That wasn’t a very popular stance here back then at all, angerer got cut and so did brackett after signing a big contract that I said the colts shouldn’t have done. Tackle stats are meaningless!!-
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27 minutes ago, OLD FAN MAN said:
maybe he does not trust him to make the catch.
or it could be he isn’t anticipating a receiver coming open and throwing before they break open. In college you can wait for the receiver to get open and throw it, that rarely works in the nfl. Backup qb’s are backups because they don’t have those skills, that’s what the colts have right now. -
3 minutes ago, jbaron04 said:
Leonard doesn’t look good at all , not good fit for our system trade him to bears this offseason
I don’t think he has any trade value with his contract, unless the colts can find a sucker.-
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He still looks awful. I’m tired of hearing about getting back into shape. If the injury is that bad, then you just have to admit he will never be the same. Having tight ends block you, getting juked by a power back, and constantly trailing the play isn’t what you want from any lb, let alone one that is payed a huge contract.
i believe the owner is the one pushing for Leonard, Taylor, and past colts large contracts that didn’t work out. I wish he would stop thinking he is a co-gm and just be a fan!
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3 minutes ago, Dingus McGirt said:
Manning would have made them all pro-bowl contenders.
yes! People don’t give enough credit to how much a top qb makes everyone look so much better and the opposite with a bad one.-
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Colts released Shaq Leonard
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He wasn’t playing well and got released. That’s what happens in all sports. He is financially set for life, probably better than almost everyone here and has his health(maybe not previous football health). He will be fine and continue to do community work if he chooses.
I have a feeling the owner will continue to make mistakes with big contracts to colts players. That’s just who he is. Manning and luck were no brainers, but so many others were bad and I have said it for years.