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3 minutes ago, Archer said:
Don’t ever remember us agreeing to terms with someone so soon after the beginning of the tampering period...
Gasp.. clutching pearls.. actually it means they REALLY REALLY wanted him, no matter what. It makes me more hopeful actually that they are SO convinced it will work they are making sure it happens. (But not confident enough to go beyond a year). It makes me think they may have less confidence in Cain etc. becoming a #2, or it's just they plan on Ebron 2.0 in the red zone, which I think is the answer. If Doyle can come back and play healthy, I can't imagine anyone covering all 3 in the red zone with TY skittering around as well. If Doyle isn't what he once was, I hope they consider drafting one of those top TE's. Having a proven young healthy guy we don't have to teach from scratch how to play football seems like a great idea for a team who is devastating with capable TE's all over the field. I think Funchess is a glorified receiving TE. If only he had hands like Clark.
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Between Irish YJ's post and Superman's post, I think I am coming around to what they are thinking with this signing. (I am progressing through the grieving process to acceptance). Since I can't do anything about it, I think the reason they are doing this is two fold:
1. Ebron can't be left open anymore to score 13 TDs. Defenses will respond.
2. Funchess is Ebron 2.0 (complete with the drops) but they will use playcalling to make it impossible to cover BOTH in the end zone so the TD production will remain, but it will be split between those two instead of all lumped into Ebron.
I still hate this signing because I was SOOOO hopeful we'd get a reliable #2 to play opposite TY. But if Pascal keeps developing (I think he's the most promising WR on the roster after TY) he will be our #2 (or perhaps #3) and Funchess will become another TE on the field, used like Ebron in split out sets etc. giving people a double dose. Sadly as the #1 dropper of the football, Funchess is of questionable value outside the red zone. Can you imagine trusting him on crucial 3rd downs? Can you imagine defenses fearing him in the open field? I doubt it. So Pascal and Hilton (and friends) get us down the field and Ebron and Doyle combined with Funchess terrorize teams in the Red Zone and thus I have found the silver lining in this deal.
If only they had talked to Superman about his idea of a 2nd year option! Ah well. Somehow Funchess must have either had another suitor, or they are convinced some version of the above is going to work and didn't even want to chance it.
Whew.. or I am completely wrong and he'll still be a 1 year bust as I feared, but at least we won't have paid Ty Williams 50 milllion dollars. If Ty Williams signs for something reasonable, I will be bummed again.
I love this time of year. Almost as dramatic as the season.
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9 minutes ago, Irish YJ said:
like i said before, we used Ebron differently. his core stats (YPC, YPG, and catch %) in Indy were actually worse than his time in Detroit. it would probably be more accurate to say that Indy used Ebron more (targets), and in a way that maximized his skill set (to achieve both yards and TDs), while Detroit did not. if you strip away the TD production, the other stats would tell you he achieved as much or more in Detroit.
NAILED IT! and next year his production will go WAY down (I predict) because defenses are NOT going to allow him to do it again. TY has never been a target in the end zone much, so the only positive I can see if them having 2 "Ebrons" in the end zone to make the Defense choose between. In fact, you just led me to figure out what I think they MUST be thinking here. Thanks for that!
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10 minutes ago, Superman said:
I think the price is way out of whack, but I don't mind the one year deal. Follow the Jeffery strategy if he fits and produces, and it's fine. And even if we let him walk and he gets a big deal, it's a future comp, for a team that otherwise has little in the way of valuable free agents. I actually like the strategy of signing promising FAs to one year deals, for that reason.
Maybe the more forward thinking way of doing it is to use the Revis model. Do a multi year contract with a Year 2 option, and if we decline the option he's still a qualifying player.
Smartest post I have read. I just can't figure out why he commanded the money, was there really a bidding war on this guy? If they'd signed him to a much much smaller prove it deal for a year, yawn, no big deal. But this seems to confirm that we're rolling with Marcus Johnson, Chester Rogers, Devin Funchess, Deon Cain, Pascal and TY Hilton with us not even having resigned Inman who I at this point really hope they do as he would be our #2 most talented/reliable target in this collection. I think maybe Pascal is the key guy in that they feel he is going to explode forward in his development and with this signing, he's currently the guy I have the most optimism in. I hadn't thought of the future Comp, thanks for that but your idea of the year 2 option sure sounds smarter. Why wouldn't they have done it? Did Funchess REALLY command that much power in the negotiation?
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14 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
As Ballard himself noted... Grant was ok until he got nicked up.
As for Ebron underachieving... we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
As for Ballard having a blind spot for receivers... he did well enough with a mostly makeshift undrafted free agent unit that the Cokts offense was pretty good. Plus, it’s a small sample size. Again mostly 1 year deals.
if you’re going to make mistakes, you try to make small ones. So again, agree to disagree.
I respect your position and appreciate your politeness. It is just a massive disappointment for me. This has all the hallmarks of us DESPERATELY begging for OFFENSIVE LINE HELP and even Ballard admitted that he simply didn't properly address it year one. It seems he has missed 2 straight years unless the injured kid balls out, but they must not be very confident in that if they are throwing 10 million at this total bust to date. What was the desperation to sign him? At the very least we should have gotten a team friendly deal. If I was a player feeling underpaid on the Colts, this would not make me very happy.
For me, I seriously would have been happier if they went purely draft and UDFA's in training camp to find WRs that could play. Paying him that kind of money for any term seems so Grigsonian to me. The tape doesn't lie. And the stats actually back up the tape. It's just bizarre.
The best I have heard anyone say from the NFL brains is that "he's earned the benefit of the doubt, I guess" a direct quote that was just said on NFL network after they implied they wasted 10 million and said "They have over 100 million in space and they obviously aren't afraid to spend it."
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6 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
You can’t overpay a one year deal lol. Take a chill pill.
I disagree.. you could have paid that same money to someone who can catch! Or someone who can SEPARATE. Ebron 2.0 means at BEST, the very BEST case scenario is that we have 2 guys that can do the same thing which is like having two identical centers in the NBA who can't rebound or block shots, but give them the ball at the hoop and they can dunk. But you don't need two of them do you? Or how about just signing someone else in another position if this was the only guy available who could play WR this year for 10 million.
Remember, we didn't successfully teach our current young WRs how to catch consistently, why would we expect him to come in for one year and he's going to learn from our coaches how to catch suddenly? If so, why couldn't they teach the other guys on the team? I would have rather we just locked down Inman. He's clearly still the second best hands/wr on the team.
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10 minutes ago, w87r said:
Clearly you just like to complain. I don't have to imagine about TW(who I like), I live live in reality. I'm going to try to imagine Funchess having a big year, till I see other wise.
Have you ever seen Cam Newton throw a football?
I'm tired of hearing about catch %(not necessarily this post), when most of your targets are 3-4' too high or short hoping you. Cam Newton accuracy is atrocious.
You apparently haven't watched NC the past 4 seasons. He was WORST in the NFL for drops! WORST. But I knew that before I even looked it up because I watched every single Carolina game! Sure, Cam can't throw. They don't ding a WR for uncatchable passes.
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13 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
Who is to say we still don’t get Williams.
We didn’t over pay. It’s a one year and has no risk.
We overpaid for the guy with the most drops in the NFL! Moncrief is faster and more reliable and I doubt would have cost as much.
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3 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
How quickly they forget. You really think you know more about Funchess than Chris Ballard and his team? Get a grip.
What he's thinking is that the market for WR's went way over his comfort level and so he dropped out of the bidding when the numbers went crazy. And he got a WR he can work with for 1-year. Too long? Should we have tried to sign him for a game to game contract? You think that happens?
Ballard is the most disciplined GM in football. He sets a number and when things get way, way out of whack, he walks away. Good for him. Good for the club.
Nobody was really happy a year ago when we signed Eric Ebron. How'd that work out?
And yet he still signed Ryan Grant to a 1 yr deal to solve our WR problem. And he himself admits to a large number of mistakes. A blind spot for receivers is apparently one of those things. And Ebron SHOULD have been even BETTER because he dropped the hell out of the ball last year as well. When Luck puts it on your hands and you only seemed focused to be sure you catch it in the END ZONE you have: Ebron. He still has a lack of reliable hands everywhere else on the field. So we need someone who can CATCH because that was our current crop of receivers problem... but guess what? Funchess had to be in the top 10 in drops last year from what I saw.
Why are the receivers Ballard signs guys who drop the ball? Our current WRs signed by him and now Funchess. In my view Ebron underachieved. He stayed healthy, that was his biggest accomplishment because Luck puts the ball right on the hands of receivers. Ebron wasn't making many circus catches. Only TY does that and it is because Luck trusts him to get it so he puts it in tough spots for the defense to intercept it. Funchess will NOT get separation, so on the occasions that he IS open, Luck will put the ball on his hands, but history shows he drops it.
Hold on... wait for it....
I didn't need to look it up, I knew from watching. But I did check just now and it is WORSE than I thought. Funchess had the WORST drop rate in the NFL!!! https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/09/panthers-devin-funchess-kelvin-benjamin-drop-rate-nfl/ So he's slow, and he drops the ball. I understand others might have been too expensive, but why sign this garbage? Was he just in the wrong place? Ironically, Benjamin in that same article left Carolina and STILL couldn't catch it in Buffalo.
No one is perfect. This appears to be team Colts scouting blind spot. People who can't catch the ball. We'd have been better off resigning Moncrief!
Perhaps like Ebron, when it is on his hands in the end zone he might catch it, but we have one of those already. SMH.
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2 hours ago, w87r said:
Funchess is 24 years old, 6'4 WR.
He had Cam Newton's inaccurate arm throwing it to him. Cant judge him on that.
We have a year to judge it, I think he is going to have a great year with Luck.
Accuracy isn't an issue if A: You can't get open and B: When you are open, you drop the ball. Funchess was Top 10 last year in Drops! And for those who talk about Ebron, Ebron should have had dozens more catches and a few more TD's but he ALSO dropped a lot of balls. Imagine if we had a guy like Ty Williams who is FASTER, runs BETTER routes AND can CATCH the ball!
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2 hours ago, The Oopty Oop said:
Sure is better than Ryan Grant. 1 year overpaid contract to fill a glaring need.
Yes, you reminded me that they signed Grant. So much for all the people saying "So you think you know more about WRs than Ballard" comments. In the case of Ryan Grant, plenty of us were saying it was a bad signing. What is our biggest problem with the fringe receivers on this roster? They drop the ball. When I think of Funchess, I think of times he dropped the ball when he was wide open. I am sure others have his stats, I only remember seeing it happen via actual game play. He underachieved every year with Carolina and I don't need to look at his stats for that either. I saw him play.
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2 hours ago, New Zealands #1 Colts Fan said:
Not quite the 1 yr prove it deal. But it's a position of need. Thinking tyrell wants a monster contract.
I don't know which is worse.. that we signed Funchess (for any amount) or that it means zero chance of signing a better WR as well. It also makes me concerned about whether we'll even DRAFT a top receiver. I hope Funchess balls out and we can come back to this and laugh at my suggesting this sounded so bad.. but man, when I heard this the "G" man flashed before my eyes. In a word: Yuck!
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29 minutes ago, shastamasta said:
Why is trading for a DE out of question?
I am not saying it won't happen, but I will say I would be surprised to see us give up draft picks or a player (outside of our back up QB) for another player. Those trades (player for player) usually happen at the end of all the fun (think our crappy WR for JB) A top DE for a top Colts player seem quite unlikely.
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21 minutes ago, NorthernBlue said:
Hey I'm not gonna lie, I'm bummed that we missed out on Collins, or that Humphries is heading to a rival, or that we couldn't get Flowers. I like those players. But I don't love em. And Ballard has already told us that he isn't all about getting the top guys if the value is wrong.
I fully expect the Colts to be active, but likely in the second wave of FA. The mid tier guys who missed out on contracts they wanted, or lower tier guys for depth. We got Ebron, Autry, Hunt etc from that market. I'm confident we'll find productive players there too.
I have been hoping all offseason for Ty Williams and Preston Smith. I don't think either has signed yet (unless I missed it somehow) so there's still a chance, but unlikely I nailed someone they will actually take. Williams is said to be expecting a lot more money and Smith is now an endangered species with the other names off the market. Maybe we'll get even one of two, that would be fun. Both would make me go out and buy a lottery ticket. heh.
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1 hour ago, DaColts85 said:
I think it’s funny that posters keep saying oh next year Ballard will come out swinging. Ballard himself has said the opposite but yet people just won’t believe him. Here goes another free agency period and we will again be a team that waits for the initial stupid contracts to go through and deal with talented players that fit us and make since for us. His approach has been solid. We will yet again get some guys people will not like and mid way through the season start talking about how they love them.
Yeah Ballard seems to be pretty no nonsense in his comments. He did say he would spend big if he felt it was the right move, but first and foremost these guys have to be good fits for our locker room. That is hard for any of us to judge on the outside, probably harder than the straight up talent or even the value of the deal needed. But it's fun to guess and WarGhost took a shot at it, I enjoyed reading his post for what it is, entertaining and fantasy while we wait, likely longer than most, to hear who we actually get to add. It is ALL entertaining for entertainment purposes. The biggest jokes are mock drafts, but I still enjoy reading them even though none of them are every remotely close past the first few picks. They DO do a reasonably good job of showing you the expected range of where guys might go and about 70% of the time, the better Mocks are within 5 picks of where someone goes. Not high results, but close enough to enjoy readying while we wait for the initially underwhelming results and hope it all works out for us.
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8 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
If he was gonna plead not guilty it would make since. He waited two years, which means he hasn't had a driver's licence for two years. This is far from normal, and not close on comparison to a murder case
The point is it went as fast (or in this case, as SLOW) as he WANTED it to go. He might have had a wide range of reasons. Maybe it affected a job opportunity. Maybe he wanted the verdict to come out farther away from his playing career for any number of reasons. If someone wants to pay a high priced attorney to slow walk something, in most cases, they can and will do it. We'll never know WHY he chose it, but we do know he certainly didn't push for his constitutional right to a speedy trial, so it appears he was comfortable with the timing.
I am also curious as to why you even care?
And I think Mathis can afford a driver when he needs one, so that's not an issue either.
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16 minutes ago, NorthernBlue said:
Technically free agency hasn’t started tho
I’m worried some of y’all don’t know how to read. Cause you know that Ballard has BEEN saying this is his FA philosophy for like 2 years now, right?
When you have non stop news tying half the players to teams (and only on rare occasions does it fall through) the point they are making is valid. But yours is more relevant. Ballard isn't going to break the bank even for players perceived to be worth it. I am hoping still for a couple players I had in mind, (which is all part of the fun) but they may well cost too much as well. I wanted Landon Collins, but for NOWHERE NEAR the price he went for, yikes! So you're right, but cut people some slack, the names are falling pretty heavy already.
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On 3/7/2019 at 10:22 AM, Myles said:
I mostly agree, but 2 years for a plea bargain on a minor DUI charge is still too long. Typically these go through in weeks, if not days.
Myles, we're discussing 2 different things. Sure, it COULD have gone faster. But it seems clear that Mathis did not WANT it to go fast. So his attorney worked it so that it would drag out for 2 years. Make no mistake, that is the result they WANTED or it would have been finished in due course. I was on a murder trial where the defendant RUSHED the trial. After the verdict was rendered (a fairly famous case in Central Indiana, the murder and car theft of a pizza delivery man in Indianapolis) the judge asked to speak to me in Chambers and told me that the reason the trial had gone forward before the DNA tests from a palm print and other items found inside the car had the results come back were because the defendant (who we found guilty) hadn't wanted it to wait for obvious reasons.
(Side note: In Indiana, for those who don't know, the JURY can ask any and every witness any questions it wants to during a trial, something I didn't know until I was ON the jury. Ironically in that case, it was aggressive questions by the jury, myself included, which led us later to convict. I also learned about the sad state of the Prosecution AND Defense in the case, it seemed neither were doing much more than going through the motions but I digress...)
Bottom line, the accused can often steer how fast or slow a trial happens (as is our mutual right in the Constitution) and to me, it is clear Mathis WANTED it slow walked for his own reasons.
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On 2/22/2019 at 11:59 AM, Virtuoso80 said:
I would simply change your title to the more accurate "Human Trafficking Probe" because without people disgusting enough to participate willingly in his actions, there wouldn't be a world wide Sex Trafficking problem to start with. He knew what was up. Anyone with life experience who has walked by one of those places know what is up there. It's nothing "good" or "wholesome" to have a multi-billionaire sneaking off to the working class side of town to use and abuse the people they find there. Apologists for him or people trying to mitigate his blame for his actions (legally) and his participation (reputation-ally) and shilling. Adults understand what was up and he's an adult. It's on film. If it went "farther" than he expected it would it would go, he wouldn't have gone back right? And certainly he would have demanded it to STOP before it went anywhere. He's guilty and will get off just like Billionaires always do. But we all know. And if people stop giving him a pass for what it leads to, human sex trafficking, then he will at least get a bit more justice than his kind usually ever gets. He'll be know as being an important part of the problem and as someone who took advantage of a helpless woman in desperate circumstances. That deserves a lifetime ban more than a player who smokes too much weed too many times.
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Let's just be glad there isn't a time machine to redraft and that we had a GM smart enough to get both of them with a first and second. I think that Leonard pick will be Ballard's single greatest accomplishment/decision in his career at the end. If he betters it, he may also be the greatest GM in history.
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Let's just be glad no one got hurt. Mistakes happen, sometimes they cause tragic things to occur. Sometimes we're lucky that people are watching out, trying to stop it before harm happens. As for it taking so long, he's a rich guy and rich guys have attorneys who know how to mitigate timing and get the least harmful result for their client. It all seems par for the course.
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On 2/22/2019 at 4:35 PM, Colts1324 said:
I think Ballard realizes that too, and that is why I wouldn’t be surprised if we signed him to a front loaded 4 year deal, so his cap hit will be smaller when it’s time to resign our 2018 draft picks.
Honestly, if we offer him a contract that matches close to what any other team offers, he will be a Colt.
Yeah, we are not losing anyone, like we did last year according to Ballard, that we want. If we want them, they will be Colts, plain and simple. It will mean they fit our team in all important ways and we'll know their true value and will present that to them straight up, no nonsense. The only thing we need to do is wait and watch them show us what people who know what they are doing picking players make of this year's free agents. (I will note, however, that Ballard himself, on Pat McAfee's show, said he's already made plenty of mistakes (the interview is a classic, look for it on youtube). So for those of us who want certain players he doesn't choose, we still have some cover since we might be right and he might have been wrong overlooking them. Me, I want Preston Smith, Tyrell Williams, Landon Collins and I will be a happy camper. I'd also hope for some help at Pass Rush and LB and depth at TE, OL (Left Tackle!), DL. But I bet he covers most of those. (He already resigned a TE, I just think they are even more important than WR to this team and we had an injury prone TE group).
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2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
He basically said, no, he was not going to alter his plan. That even though we had a hugely successful season, he does NOT believe his locker room is ready for the infusion of Big Time, Highly Paid talent. In other words, no, his rebuild is not complete and he's not changing his plan. Ballard is saying he does not believe we are one or two pieces away from being a serious contender and the infusion of the wrong players could mess things up.
He hasn't literally said this, but he has implied that the rebuild will be done AFTER this FA period and the upcoming draft. That the 2020 season is our Ready for Prime Time moment.
NCF,
I highlighted two of your comments. The first is not at all what he said, nor is it in context of the discussion he was having with 1070 the fan. They were talking about troubled talents, could the locker room handle THAT. It is misleading to suggest he would not consider "Big Time, Highly Paid talent" if they fit in with our team culture, he absolutely WOULD. But he said he didn't think the locker room was yet strong enough to bear a negative influence. Context is everything. You separately mentioned "wrong players" but that would apply to anyone, high paid FA's, low paid FA's or even keeping guys on our team already who are "wrong."
I also have never heard him say that any particular time is our "Ready for Prime Time Moment" I think that one is all in your head. He has a process, of course, he talks about it often. And he and Frank believes that pathway leads to ultimate success. No date/time frame has been given, at least not in that interview or any other I have heard. (Anyone can find that interview on the 1070 YouTube channel, it is the second best Ballard interview after, in my opinion, the fantastic interview he did with Pat McAfee, and you can find that on his YouTube channel.
If we have a draft anywhere near last year, and we go out and find guys we like for our team (and I believe we'll get anyone we truly want) there is no reason to think we wouldn't be primed to win it all now, certainly with a significantly superior team (already) than Luck drug to the AFC Championship game already. Nothing ever assures anything, New England keeps winning with inferior teams (I think I know why, but I also know I would never be allowed to post it here for good reason, so I won't). In the end, the best stocked team doesn't always win, and I would estimate that the most talented team loses more than it wins. We'll be talented enough next year, and likely the year after. I think we'll have the groceries to make a fantastic meal. Now we need Frank to cook it and the team to eat it. That's up to them.
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I was watching Colin Cowherd today and he had former Colts/Browns Lineback D'Qwell Jackson who talked a lot about the Colts, Andrew Luck and a story I hadn't heard about Deflategate. He also talked about Antonio Brown and some other stuff. I found his comments on Andrew Luck VERY interesting, especially at the end of that discussion when he made the most interesting takeaway comment. He said Luck was too humble and he needed them to bring in a tough guy who wouldn't be afraid to speak up, call people out, but who would be a leader as well. Sounds a LOT like a certain OG on the team, but he doesn't name him but both he and Cowherd seemed to know who he was talking about. Hope you enjoy.
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Colts sign Devin Funchess (Merge)
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It was a CRIME that we didn't win at least one Super Bowl with Manning, Marvin, Wayne, Clark and James. How was that possible?
Ack!