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On 10/31/2016 at 10:24 AM, tfunky14 said:
Oh man you are so wrong
If a player quits on their "team mates" he is not a professional player, period..
Correct, if the player isn't giving their best effort, it is a bad hire... they spend a lot of time evaluating more than talent, they also do research into attitudes and personalities. If they are signed and don't put out effort, first you cut them, then you blame the GM for bad hiring practices. This is why the NFL is smart in not having fully guaranteed contracts. You can get rid of the rubbish rather than being stuck with them like the NBA.
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1 hour ago, Bogie said:
Marty was wrongfully fired.
For the 2006 playoff game vs NE, there was footage and stories of where he had specifically coached and told his players, including Marlon McCree "if you get an interception, GO DOWN". That was why they lost that game. Marty was not to blame. That interception turned fumble completely screwed their chances.
San Diego has been a mess ever since firing Marty. The 2007 team that made the AFCCG, and then the 13-3 team in 2009 were almost like a "last hurrah" of that team he put together.
Personally, I'm a big fan of Marty's Cleveland teams that had Bernie Kosar. Those were fun teams and similar circumstances to his time in SD leading to his firing - an owner who wanted a SB win right away let him go, and then the team collapsed without him. Bernie Kosar was never the same after Marty was gone, his final good year was in 1989 and then going into the 90's, he never turned back into the MVP candidate he once was.
His Kansas City teams were pretty good too...They often had high ranked defenses, and he resurrected Marcus Allen's career when he looked like he was done.
I like Tom Coughlin, and I think it's unfair that his final years in NY with a losing record sum him up as a coach. It's totally true, he took Jacksonville to the AFCCG twice. The 1996 playoff upset vs Denver was one of the biggest upsets ever.
There was also this! Coughlin's Jaguars completely humiliated Dan Marino and ended the long career of one of the best QB's ever with one of the most humiliating playoff losses ever.
Thank you for sharing that clip, we saw so much history including Marino as well as Chris Berman back when he was inventing ESPN. I had forgotten how bad it was, made me think of Colts vs Patriots in Luck's second and third years or Colts vs Steelers.
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4 hours ago, 21isSuperman said:
Sadly, I don't see anyone who can stop them. It's truly insane. Brady is 39 years old and playing like he's 30. I can't stand Brady, but this is some unreal stuff. He's the only player I can recall that has actually gotten better with age. With the way he's going, I could see him playing another 5 years.
Manning set his biggest records 2 years before he fell off a cliff. Father time will catch up... just not this year.
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51 minutes ago, SilentHill said:
Agreed we have to buy tickets to get to the superbowl, but disagree about the contenders lol.
I expect New England to waltz to the Super Bowl... not that I want them to... the Cowboys were a random guess...have to say that Prescott seems pretty clutch....though they will likely screw it all up somehow... Seattle might be the other team... otherwise who else?
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On 10/30/2016 at 8:19 PM, jbaron04 said:
It could get super ugly, aaron might go for 500
I think he could seriously break the NFL record for passing yards and TDs. Then that will be broken when facing Pittsburgh (who nearly hit the record already against us) while giving Bell 200 yards rushing. The only thing that could stop it is them running out of time. I think we win our 3 division games and have a slight shot at the Jets to salvage 7-9 which will be good for 2nd in our division so we'll still have to face Cincy and Buffalo next season.
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8 hours ago, Malakai432 said:
Ohh man, TY is a warrior and just has that toughness and grit that you never find around the league. He can go injured like a Coyote that gnawed it's leg partially off after being trapped man. Even though he doesn't pay attention, he just keeps on chopping wood with whatever tool he has at his disposal. In the end though, gotta respect KC, we took a step backwards and we will watch the tape and get it corrected. The NFL is a dog fight and a hard league to win in.
I see what you did there...heh....
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First we book flights to Houston for the SB, then we buy tickets to watch New England dismantle the Cowboys 38-16.
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The fact that 75% of the respondents say they would NOT give their best effort really sums up what is going on in the USA these days. Forget working hard for your pay check, everything has to meet with your privileged approval or you're going to loaf or worse. That's pathetic. Bosses come and go all the time and not all will be good or bad, nor will they ALWAYS be bad or ALWAYS good. The idea that if you don't like who the company has put in charge, you won't put in the effort is foreign to those of us who have worked many years and/or built our own companies. If you take the pay, you owe the work. If you don't like the job, that's a YOU problem, not the company's problem. People often take a job without doing their homework, asking smart questions or understanding what their priorities in life are. In the USA no one is forced to work, but if you're going to take the pay, do the job. But it is simple to see where some of the bizarre opinions and arguments come from around here sometimes. With those attitudes, rational discussion isn't likely possible.
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3 hours ago, Nadine said:
I work to my own standards.
But I do see your point. It is very discouraging to not be able to achieve more because of the way things are managed. When that happens, I start looking elsewhere.
As far as changing now, I don't see the point of that. A commitment was made a plan was made. So far, it's not looking good but I think it deserves the season.
Anyway, it's not like there's somebody out there right now that we want to step in and take the reigns. Not that I know of anyway. We all know too well there are no quick fixes.
If there is a chance we pull this together and get things headed in the right direction, I sure would prefer that to starting all over again.
These guys know what they need to do and they've been given the opportunity and committed to it. I'd honor that.
Perhaps I'm just tired of people always wanting to fire people. Lots of people have been fired in recent years.
Firing people is often more of a direct reflection on the firer than the fired, It is their failure. Either it was a bad hire, or they managed the person poorly. Only when there is "cause" does the fault usually fall entirely on the person fired (for example stealing or other legal violations, just not showing up for work, violence etc.). Just like all other businesses, the failures of these players is either the fault of the person who hired them (Grigson) or the person who manages them (ultimately Pagano with assistants who sometimes get blamed and fired, which means they too were either a bad hire or badly managed).
In the case of Grigson and Pagano themselves, the fault of their joint failures (depending on whether it was bad hires (i.e. signings/draft picks) or bad management (coaching) is the fault of their boss, in this case Irsay. He essentially just rehired them both, so if either is deemed a failure, it is directly the fault of Irsay. In this case, he has the benefit of having no other boss (unless you look at the collective league but they hold little sway over the owners expect in the case of "cause" like we saw in Los Angeles with the former Clippers owner who gave the other owners "cause" to essentially fire him from their league). But that example being a bizarre exception to the rule, they certainly don't fire NFL owners so Irsay is going nowhere he doesn't want to go no matter how many bad decisions he makes.
In most other companies, the board of directors can step in and get rid of the head guy on behalf of the many owners. In the NFL, he's it. His track record is second only to the Krafts in terms of wins I think over the past 20 or so years, so he's among the best of the best of the best. But even he can make mistakes and he may have in both cases. I am not big Grigson fan, but like Nadine mentioned, last summer I suggested that they may keep both guys because there were no apparent better options. I think Irsay tried the other approach, and he tried to coach them both up.
The draft this year looked pretty good early (though a little tarnish has developed in some opinions), but it still suffers from 3 previous really bad years from Grigson that have caught up to this team not to mention the nearly complete lack of activity in FA and no meaningful UDFA's signed by Grigson either.
Pagano unfortunately has not improved his performance either with several blatant gaffes, but the old argument remains, can you make a good meal with spoiled, missing or the wrong groceries? That's a legit debate that rages today. In the end, Irsay will have to decide if he can keep coaching these guys, or he made one or two bad hires.
In the end, Pagano and Grigson are both putting in their max effort (nothing suggests otherwise) so it's really a matter of Irsay getting them in line or admitting his failure by firing them.
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The answer is of course yes. I've had plenty of horrible bosses, and also some amazing bosses, often at the same employer over time. You can only control what you can control, your performance. Are you getting your paycheck? If the answer is yes, then you owe them your best effort. As far as I am aware, NFL player's checks are cashing, they owe their best effort. If the bad bosses deploy you poorly, success won't follow, but that is what they are held accountable for. If your individual performance is your best effort, you've done what you're paid for. It's like the military in that someone people had the bad "bosses" but in the big picture, it was critical they still followed the orders because the large overhead whole may require something that makes no sense on your end.
In Football, good talent evaluators can usually tell if you're giving max effort, or if you're not. Your next contract depends on you doing your best. And you owe that. It's the old two wrongs don't make a right.
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On 10/27/2016 at 7:40 PM, Coltfreak said:
Grigs played the position.
That is what I thought... you have no experience or knowledge about O-Line. Grig's problem is that he waited until year 5 to draft heavy on Oline. His previous picks on the line failed but one (Mewhort) and by this year, tossing 3 of the 4 rookies to the Wolves just emphasized he should have addressed the line with good FA's or better and more picks earlier.
But it also shows you have no business calling anyone out about the O-Line. Let's see who was it that cost us a Touchdown this week? Oh yeah, right. Predictably it was a holding call on the heinously bad RG named Good. Want to fix RG? Put Haeg there and LEAVE HIM no matter what and that position will be locked down. Leaving Good there hasn't solved anything except that we need to draft or sign a starting quality RG.
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1 hour ago, Superman said:
I'm not embarrassed by the team's play. It's not good, and I find it very frustrating and annoying, but it doesn't reflect on me as a person or even a fan. Your team can't be good every year. Oh well.
I'm also not embarrassed by the whining, complaining, somewhat entitled, negative and often ignorant fans. I find that element to be frustrating and annoying as well, but not embarrassing. Again, it doesn't reflect on me personally.
Very well said. But I think it didn't answer the question asked. I make the case that free speech is always going to result in embarrassing commentary, and if you're involved in a group where that happens, it CAN be embarrassing to be associated with things said by the group, but it is always going to be there.
On the other hand, supporting a team as a fan (i.e. fanatic) can be embarrassing because you choose to invest support from purchasing items or tickets to investing time talking about the team and when they play horribly, it can be embarrassing that with our one life to live and our limited resources of time and money, we spend it involved as a fan of that team.
Rational people could find it embarrassing to put that sort of investment into something so poorly done. I think the only answer to the question asked is the team in this case, is more embarrassing than the free speech of its fans.
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3 hours ago, coltsfeva said:
We are ticked off at this team's horrible play this year by my God, can we stop with the personal assaults? (Pagano's an *, Grigson sucks, Irsay is on drugs and various assaults on players).
To say the Colts have "thrown Luck under the bus" and "quit on the team" coming from this fan base is a little hypocritical, judging by all the finger pointing and quitting going on this forum....
This is easy.. the team play is far more embarrassing. You see whether we win or lose, have a winning team that plays top notch or say, like this team, fan bases act the same. You have just as many silly positive comments as silly negative comments. It never varies.
There is no such thing as a non embarrassing fan base on an online message board. It does not exist no matter any other circumstances. Most of free speech is really nonsense. But you have to have it for the smart stuff to also be put out there. Without it, for example when PC people try to regulate only positive speech they like and agree with, the speech REALLY gets embarrassing (much like we see in today's media) with all the PC hand wringing over every little honest but hurtful (micro-aggressions anyone?) comment made by anyone.
What you seem to want is more of that kind of speech here.., let us hope you do not get your wish. Free speech is primarily about the freedom to disagree no matter how popular the other speech is among the masses, or those in power. I welcome the disagreement (and get plenty of it), but with that comes a lot of inarticulate by-product that is simply part of the price for free speech. But it also allows me to disagree with the nonsense and what the popular kids say.
On the other hand, it isn't embarrassing to have a well disciplined team who play hard, don't make lazy or undisciplined mistakes and win or lose, put in a respectable effort which more often than not will result in winning. The team is embarrassing. The rest is free speech.
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4 minutes ago, Jaric said:
This is neither the time nor the place for positivity. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
heh heh
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1 minute ago, Jaric said:
Thats all fair and I have no doubt that things are bad behind the scenes. How could they not be? The team sucks and everyone looks checked out.
Heres the thing though. Hilton is one of the few guys in the locker room that can actually do something about it. ProBowl veteren. Big contract. One of the best players on the team.
Thats what frustrates me. When guys in a position to change things don't seem to care.
Yeah, I know. He's done his work on the field though but it seems this game either he didn't get the chance due to circumstances related to play, or it was planned non usage. I think providing leadership on the field is primary... being a PR spokesperson really is the Coach and QB's job. We don't need Luck-like speeches from him, but we also don't need him to let his frustration show so obviously. Marvin rarely spoke... TY could learn from that, especially when things are this bad. It sounds like he tried to fade away, but they captured him. TY isn't an eloquent speaker to start with, so he was distraught, cornered and made a bad comment. If it is a one time thing, I think he let honest emotion too close to the surface. I certainly don't need or want him to apologize. On the other hand, Moncrief and useless Dorsett need to shut their pie holes.
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Our Two Outside Linebackers looking around the edges at us graphically on this message board is a nice touch. I hadn't really paid attention.. like TY really, but whoever did the graphic deserves a pat on the back. It's cool. I just wish it was Von Miller and any other top notch OLB in Colts unis. (Or perhaps a nod to our past with Freeney and Mathis in their heydays).
Okay.. trying for levity.. anything to make this misery pause for a moment.... carry on with the gut wrenching....
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16 minutes ago, Jaric said:
Here's the thing about Hilton that really infuriates me.
We just gave you a huge contract. Part of the responsibility that goes with that kind of contract is to lead by example. Trying to sneak out of the locker room to avoid answering media questions and then responding with "I wasn't paying attention" frankly doesn't cut it.
Look what Luck is doing. He's out telling anyone who will listen everything from the terrible offensive line to the abysmal defense is his fault. He's taking ownership of the issue and shielding his guys from criticism. (or at least trying to)
Meanwhile, TY is trying to sneak out of the locker room to avoid having himself be held accountable.
Look, you're right, but we really don't know just how bad things are behind the scenes... it could be REALLY ugly, and I think TY had a bad moment where he let frustration get the best of him, but even in that bad moment, he didn't throw anyone else under the bus and really drew more fire to himself than Luck did with the unfortunate comment. I can't recall previous similar comments, so fairly or unfairly, in my view, he gets a get out of jail free card this week. Imagine if they ordered him out there as a decoy all game, even when he was open, thinking they'd avoid getting him hurt worse. We just don't know how dumb things really are behind the scenes and to me that was a shot at the coaches entirely that slipped out in a passive aggressive moment. I am sure he and his coaches haven't heard the last from that comment. Hilton has been Lucks only real life preserver to win as much as we have. Playing hurt (which I believe) must make that beyond frustrating.
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18 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:
Absolutely not. He's correct that Pagano, Grigson, and Irsay are problems. But giving Saban complete control would be a huge mistake, in my opinion. Saban is a college coach. Let him stay in college.
Yes. College control is so complete and overwhelming that it bears no resemblance to today's NFL. The only College coach that would make sense is the one who played and coached in or close to Super Bowl levels and that's Harbaugh, but I doubt within Luck's best window (now) of productivity he'll be available. And we have no idea what his relationship was with Irsay. Unless it was secretly great, it isn't happening.
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53 minutes ago, Jaric said:
They should sit him next week honestly. Maybe that will get his attention.
Well, Hilton has put up enough to get a pass from me this week. He's obviously hurt, and was possibly (and dumbly) told to play hurt as a decoy (none of us know that as far as I am aware, it's only a theory) or he tried to go and Luck just couldn't get it to him. But at least he didn't throw Luck under the bus, more himself and by extension, the coaching staff. And they deserve it.
We had a much better game plan in other games. This week simply looked disjointed and they didn't do the things that have previously worked. I am sure KC game planned against that stuff., but for example, Gore really wasn't utilized much at all rather than him being stopped. Doyle was barely used. Moncrief showed deep availability but Luck had no time to get it to him usually. (and Good, the heinous gift that keeps on giving, held and called back a beautiful TD throw that would have given us at least the chance to onside kick for a possible win). The other receivers couldn't make a catch which put all the pressure on Luck to work with next to nothing. Hilton looked hurt. We just don't know what his purpose or reason was for being out there.
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8 hours ago, SkyBane said:
Indeed, sauce or it's hearsay.
Yeah Skybane, you must be right, that darn OP must be lying or out of context....
8 hours ago, zibby43 said:"After the game, as Hilton tried to leave the locker room without talking to the media, I stopped him outside the door and asked him what the Chiefs defense had done to make his day so difficult.
“I don’t know,” Hilton said. “I wasn’t paying attention.”
Lovely. The media converged, and someone asked him about his lack of production:
“I was hurt,” he said.
Someone else asked him about his inconsistency this season.
“I was hurt,” he repeated.
The only time Hilton showed any interest in answering a question was when someone asked how he got hurt. He gave three or four sentences, but you won’t read them here.
I wasn’t paying attention.
Here’s the thing: Hilton wasn’t the only problem with the Colts receiving corps on Sunday. And this is new territory for us to tread, because it goes away from the grain that says the problem is the offensive line, or Luck for his bonehead plays, or the coaching staff for its bonehead calls. And those are all valid points, in this game and in others.
But the receivers have rarely helped matters this season. And on Sunday they made things worse.
T.Y. Hilton caught one more pass than Conrad Hilton, but at least he caught one. Devin Street caught no passes, and dropped two.
Phillip Dorsett caught all five passes thrown his way, but he gained a measly 33 yards. Fastest player on the team. Nothing but short passes. Brilliant coaching there. The one time Dorsett ran way down the field, on the Hail Mary that fell incomplete near the end zone on the Colts' final play, he ended up face down on the turf, grabbing his hamstring, needing medical attention. Afterward Chuck Pagano didn’t include Dorsett in his postgame injury report, and Dorsett told me he’s fine.
Moncrief did score one touchdown, and he did catch another TD with 1:51 left and nobody in the crowd watching and a holding penalty on Denzelle Good to nullify it. But he was bad, too. Nine targets, four catches, 41 yards. Second play of the game, on a crossing route, Moncrief heard footsteps and stopped running.
Luck’s pass was catchable, but somebody could get hurt trying to catch that. No thank you, Moncrief said.
Luck’s interception was thrown Moncrief’s way, but Chiefs cornerback Phillip Gaines fought for the ball and Moncrief didn’t. Not a great pass by Luck. Not great effort from Moncrief. Teamwork, that turnover.
The Colts’ difficulty all day in the passing game was a team effort – not enough time, not enough accuracy, not enough “catching” – but in the locker room afterward, it sounded sort of like Luck’s fault.
“I let the team down,” Luck said.
His receivers rushed to his aid. Kidding! Dorsett decided that “we (receivers) were getting open” and Moncrief valiantly suggested there were “some plays we've got to make, even if they're bad balls.”
Don’t ask Hilton what went wrong. He wasn’t paying attention.
Some day that could be you, Colts fans. Some day soon. At 3-5 and without the talent or coaching to turn it around, the Colts are tempting you to turn away."
Or not. Is that the sauce you needed?
If not, I suggest you supply the needed condiment to explain their comments and while you're at it, their terrible performance. The O-Line still gave up what, 6 sacks by the end? I didn't see a list of quotes by them blaming Luck at least. Everyone knows they suck and so do they. Until you have your own stuff fixed, you blame yourself. If you play perfect, you blame everyone generally, starting with only yourself by name, in that obvious and generic way actual disciplined teams are taught to do. Feel free to yell at Luck in the locker room, when your own BLANK doesn't stink.
Dorsett should have been trade bait. He's shown nothing for us and the longer he gets exposed as a bust, the less he'll be worth before he eventually exits and goes elsewhere to a well managed team that at least will use him appropriately. He isn't taking short passes to the house. He isn't catching short balls as a possession receiver might.. he is supposed to be one of the fastest guys in the league, but we never seem to see him open deep like say, the slower Hilton or for that matter Moncrief, is all the time. Perhaps no one else would be dumb enough to cough up something decent for a busted first rounder, Grigson seems to be the only GM willing to do that.
I'd take a mid 4th for him or a high end back up LB, but I doubt that trade exists. By the season's end, we may not even get a conditional 5th for him over the summer. He should be the guy who goes deep, especially with Hilton hurt, 4-8 times a game, wide open with his speed so the one or two times Luck has enough time to wait for that route, he can throw it to Dorsett and take advantage of his only beneficial skill as a receiver, speed. But we all know he'd probably drop it anyway.
WR is now a position of need for us almost as critical as all the Defensive weaknesses. I said it over the summer that we needed at least one more solid veteran WR on board, but instead we went with a bare cupboard because you know Grigson thinks all his big picks will deliver and depth is unnecessary. There's all kinds of affordable FA's from last summer who are catching passes all over the league this year. Why didn't we target one of them last summer? (Oh yeah, Grigson). I'd start now by finding the best WR coach who wants more money and target him for a big pay raise to join us this summer. It's either the talent, the coaching or both. We won't know until something gets fixed and I don't trust Grigson to hit the side of a barn with a rock.
It is not only Dorsett that hasn't developed. If you think about it, our UDFAs year after year with this regime flop after seeming to have some talent (think of all those guys who seem to come here with talent, look solid in preseason when they only have their raw talent to draw off of, but underperform. (look at the guys who left us as useless, actually add quality depth to other teams... Avery at KC was good for a couple seasons, and amazingly Pittsburgh has gotten production out of Heyward-Bey. We sure couldn't.
I think we may learn that Reggie and before him Marvin combined with Peyton, may have been more impactful in teaching the tree of receivers we've had than the coaching. And either Hilton isn't passing it on, or the current coaches aren't either. Moncrief, at least, seems to have potential, but throwing the QB under the bus suggests he's not on the team bus but outside of it launching attacks. And imagine giving that answer at any number of well run organizations. It wouldn't happen a second time and likely not a first.
The team is just awful all around. It's really been exposed this season because Luck simply can no longer overcome the lack of talent. 'Next year is going to be worse as we'll have to play the AFC North and NFC West and they're going to pummel us. It seems unlikely we can reach .500 this year, so I would expect many heads to roll. But that won't help the new regime when they find they have an aging (and more and more injury prone) DB and a beat up Tiny Receiver playing way over his head (and now obviously playing hurt) and a beaten down Luck. It might end up Philip Rivers all over again.
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What non-Troll has beaten up Luck here? It's usually just Troll bait when it happens.
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To answer the initial question:
REALITY....that's what worries me... the reality that Luck is being hopelessly wasted.
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1 minute ago, jameszeigler834 said:
Well Hilton 1 catch for 20 yards I have said it before not a number 1 receiver.
His season stats tend to dispel that opinion
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11 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
The odds of signing a "solid FA for Mathis" are small, because Mathis is the rush OLB, and those guys command HUGE money in Free Agency. The odds are more likely that we re-sign Walden to be the strong side guy for a year or two.
Draft a rush OLB in the first and hope he can start. Sign a veteran FA guy for a modest contract and have him be the insurance guy behind the rookie. Unless we think that Ayers can be that guy and I don't think we've seen enough yet, but it doesn't seem likely.
I suspect we'll also draft another OLB with the goal that a year or two later he replaces Walden on the strong side.
This is our last chance for the foreseeable future to sign one or two meaningful FA's. The draft is risky at best especially with Grigson picking. We need to find a FA Inside and Outside LB and draft an inside and outside LB. If Ayers proves value the rest of this season, he and Walden would join those 4 new players and whoever else they can scrape up. Unless they can find another Mathis in a late round (Grigson doesn't instill much confidence there) they may have to use this one chance to sign a rush LB in FA. And that assumes one will even be on the market which is unknown but unlikely.
This is why I don't blame a GM/Coach (Complaints about the players MERGE)
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Agreed!