JPFolks

February 3, 2019

He's a really inspiring guy to hear what he had to overcome in his young life while most would use that as an excuse to fail or do worse, he really lifted himself up on his own shoulders through work and faith and learning from the mistakes around him. It's so nice to have yet another humble superstar, understated, no braggart attitude, just production and proving it and earning it. Most promising 1st year performance of a pick by a Colts GM in the 34 years I have been following the Colts.

February 3, 2019

On 1/28/2019 at 8:42 PM, ReMeDy said:

Did you also see Luck during the last moment of the 40yd splash competition? He couldn't hit the target, and both teams were taking so long that he even got an extra attempt. The announcer was surprised Luck couldn't hit it.

By comparison, watch Drew Brees accuracy on Sports Science:

I'll give Luck the benefit of the doubt on the first throw, as his hands were probably wet from handling the water, but yikes.

I'm beginning to think Luck needs to just go to a precision football camp; maybe he's been concentrating too much on bulking/ recovery and it's sidetracked him from his QB fundamentals.

Yeah, I couldn't tell if he was just being cautious with the shoulder and throwing half power or something but the accuracy was horrendous. I know it was just filling time, but man, tossing at some targets shouldn't really produce that bad of throws, and his game play was similarly inaccurate as it was in the KC game at times and off and on during the season. It was just odd.

February 3, 2019

On 1/28/2019 at 2:39 PM, jvan1973 said:

Knee bruise. Not serious

Thanks for the update. I knew it must not be too serious after I looked at news and nothing was mentioned. Just looked ugly in the small moment they showed.

January 28, 2019

You didn't miss much really. Only one guy on Defense was playing hard which led him to Defensive MVP only since he was the only guy going hard, he just looked like he was taking advantage of an "agreement" to make sure no one got hurt. He crushed a QB, crushed his own fellow defensive players and it was just wrong based on how everyone else was playing. They were playing a slowed down version of flag football for the most part.

And still, sadly Luck just looked "off" like he did in the last game. He missed several wide open guys by more than 5 yards... it was weird.

I know none of it matters, but it looked like he was really struggle to toss the ball. And JuJu might have really gotten hurt. I haven't heard anything, but if he has a serious injury, that might be the final nail in the Pro Bowl Coffin. There is just no "safe" way to play with guys that big and strong and fast, especially with a couple going faster than the others, it could have spelled disaster and it has in the past.

I think they should do it like they did the skills challenges only with some REAL competition as no one looked like they were doing much more than going through the motions. If they played as hard as those old "battle of the stars" matches between football teams where they ran track events and others intense battles, with a few funny ones tossed in and always ended with a tug of war between the O and D lines from each team really digging in and going at it. THOSE were fun and likely safer than this faux football game they play.

Imagine the 4 fastest guys on each team racing at various distances and how hard those dudes would run to try and win.. THAT would be exciting. And have them playing for MORE charity money with the charities different for each challenge and find funny things for each group to do (like kickers or full backs etc.) that usually don't factor in much otherwise (though they tried to get an MVP award for the little used but Pro Bowl none the less FB from Kansas City but running him and passing to him a LOT having him rack up yards and score once and gave him more chances to score more than any other player.

I hope JuJu is fine, but he looked seriously injured from what they showed.

January 28, 2019

On 1/25/2019 at 5:21 PM, chad72 said:

I think Deebo Samuel separates better at 6'1" 210 lbs, and probably can mix and match inside and outside better. Deebo has everything we need in the current NFL and the move he put on in this video was Julian Edelmanesque, cannot teach that, instant separation. I will be happy if we get him with our second pick. If not him, the other guy I am high on is Hakeem Butler. Most of the good WRs will be gone, I feel, by the time our pick in the 50s comes along. Our Jets trade pick No.36 is where we need to get our WR.

https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-football/article225073955.html

I think you hit the nail on the head.. if we draft a WR high, he needs to be someone who can SEPARATE! The ONLY Colt who can is TY, so we need another option with the speed and technique to get a step. In the draft we don't need a project as we need help right now, day one, on the field playing and making plays. If a rookie can't get separation, I think it's a bad move. Good post Chad!

January 28, 2019

1 hour ago, ColtsGermany said:

What about Beasley? He seemed to be a little bit dissatisfied with his target share in dallas. Isn't he a FA?

Imo he's a reliable target.

I agree he has talent, but he'll be 30 in April which is a nonstarter with us having such a young team. I'd think they'd be looking for guys coming off their first contract primarily in FA. I think there are some quality WRs that are less covered available they may be interested in. Beasley would be smart to resign in Dallas though we might see one of the teams in his division sign him just to get him away from Dallas as he's their current safety blanket with Witten being retired. But I don't think he's a significant target at his age. Thanks for your thoughts.

January 28, 2019

On 1/23/2019 at 12:11 PM, SouthernIndianaNDFan said:

I've taken the last few mornings before I leave for work to watch various players, and I've come to a few conclusions:

1) Montez Sweat and Jachai Polite are every bit the player Rashan Gary is. Both of those guys are athletic freaks, and are great pass rushers.

2) Polite, in particular, is a strip-sack machine, and has great instincts when sacking the QB. He may be the fastest of the 3 players I'll mention here, and is never out of the play due to his insane closing-speed.

3)Montez Sweat was lined up on both the right and left ends, and has several great moves to beat opposing tackles. His stunt back to the inside, and swim moves are virtually unstoppable.

4) Don't let Gary being the #1 recruit (by some services) deter you into thinking he's a better player than Sweat or Polite. They'd all 3 be great additions, and are the pass-rushing threat that could really take this defense to the next level.

5) Jeffery Simmons, despite his off-field issues, is a machine. He was literally sent from the future to disrupt plays. He reminds me (NOT a direct comparison) of Aaron Donald in his ability to seemingly teleport into opposing backfields, and simply can't be moved off of his spot, he looks insanely strong and sure footed.

6) Finally, it would be absolute draft-heaven if the Colts were somehow able to parlay their first 2 picks into some combination of Simmons and Sweat/Polite. I don't care how they have to do it, but that would take this defense to the next level. Guys like Malik Hooker would absolutely thrive with these guys causing that kind of disruption in opposing backfields.

7) I. Love. This. Time. Of. Year.

Do you think they've given up on the two guys they drafted last year? I know they want someone(s), but to use our top two picks after we used 2 second rounders on those guys seems awfully aggressive. I am not sure how many team have a first rounder and 3 second rounders at DE, so maybe it will happen. I think we need more help at Corner, WR and possibly at TE even with our guy returning, he's been torn up a lot. I wouldn't even be shocked at another o-lineman if the right one is available in those spots.

Good info though, thanks for sharing your research!

January 28, 2019

4 hours ago, shastamasta said:

The Colts already have a size/speed in Cain guy coming off injury. Would rather see if he can fill that type of role while looking to draft a more complete WR early.

Plus, it's not like the Colts are heaving it downfield all the time. Colts were near the bottom in both Y/A and Y/C...the LAC were top 5.

I am not sure they had anyone deep to throw it to. Hilton was usually double covered (and still got a lot of deep targets) and they tried to throw it to Ebron deeper than mid level but he rarely could catch the ball. Tyrell was under utilized and pigeon holed into a one trick pony after his one long catch his rookie year. I think he'd be fine in shorter patterns, much like they tried (and often failed due to drops) many others including Ebron. He's got the speed and he's listed at 6'4 but he's really 6'3. running a 4.4 at that size is no joke but just like TY doesn't have to always go deep, neither does he. At his size he'd also be great chipping to help with a pass rusher (and we're going to face a brutal onslaught of them this year) without getting himself too knocked off course. I'd love to see how they'd use that height, especially since we seem to have trouble keeping most tight ends healthy.

Thanks for your feedback, definitely food for thought.

January 28, 2019

5 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

He may not be a household name to fans, but the NFL scouts and GM's know about him.

Well I am none of the above and I knew about him well and thought all season "why isn't this guy being featured more?" even with a packed house at WR. I posted this simply after seeing his name as available. I watch every game by every team all season and tried to remind myself of who might be under utilized guys who will be available. If all these massive sites all have him ranked in the top 20 FA's at all positions, then I guess I saw the same obvious things they did, it wasn't hard even though he was fairly invisible with SD compared to the others. I actually wondered at one point if he was still on the team they used him so little. I checked the rosters to be sure.

It's obvious you guys have discussed all this before. I just pop'd on to this board when I realized there might be a separate board for FA even for the Colts and so I posted about Preston Smith DE and when I checked those responses, I thought I should see what people think of Tyrell. I am glad to see so many supporters.

Thanks for all the great info about the Colts connections to him!

January 28, 2019

5 hours ago, TheMiz said:

I'd rather have Humphries from Tampa Bay.

He's a solid option as well, why would you choose him over Williams? More volume? Humphries also had a stacked receiving room and still got balls that for sure. I wonder sometimes if he was so much MORE familiar to both QB's who each had to spend time with the second team that he became the guy BOTH were comfy with? That is my theory. What is yours?

January 28, 2019

5 hours ago, Hoose said:

Tyrell Williams won't be cheap. He's going to be one of the few truly talented WRs in free agency. And he fits what the Colts need: hands; height; speed. Will Ballard pay for that guy? Because I agree that he could make a big time difference for the Colts. It may be a 3 year, $30 million dollar type of contract to get him. No prove it deals for this guy. The Colts have the money; I hope they collar this player. They need him.

Great comment! I haven't seen published estimates to sign him, have you or is this your estimate? I certainly think we'd have to offer him a 2 year deal much like Ebron, but wasn't sure about longer as a must, unless they were so sure they WANTED a longer contract. Ebron only got 2 years, I am sure he would have wanted more and it is too bad we didn't make it 3 years because thanks to the Colts/Luck, he's now worth dramatically more money than he's make now so in another year, he'll walk or get a mega deal. I guess 2 years is the "mutual risk" amount and since Tyrell didn't exactly light anything up 3 of his 4 years, (why I still don't understand even with their starters in SD, he was super valuable and they barely used him like a scrub level player). He's better than anyone on our roster short of TY and COMBINED with TY, we could be lighting people up deep. Then all we need is Golden Tate to take the slot routes and we're golden! We can then hope that Pascal (who I think deserves keeping) or Cain can be our last two. I am also hoping we keep Inman as it was clear Luck LOVED him over his other non Hilton options once he signed. Did he ever blow a catch he should have made? (Seems like maybe 1?).

January 28, 2019

On 1/25/2019 at 12:00 PM, CamMo said:

Very cool. I hope we can get him to the Super Bowl one last time.

I'd rather "he" get the rest of the guys to their first Super Bowl.

January 28, 2019

My apologies to anyone who previously brought him up. I didn't see it but defer to whoever beat me to it. I have always liked him and wondered why they didn't use him more (as well as Benjamin) more than they did.

Thanks for the update.

January 28, 2019

I understand the desire to have a back up as good as Brissett on our team, but I am starting to wonder about that really. With Brissett we won 4 games. Without him, we'd have had how many wins? And what would that difference mean? Well, a better draft pick. Because though I am adamantly against tanking a season if it looks like we'll miss the playoffs, there is a HUGE difference from being an 8-8 team that misses and a 4-12 (or worse) team and missing. When you're down in that territory, and your QB isn't able to get your team to a .500 season, does it matter if you finish 4-12 or you finish 2-14? (and let's be honest, there ARE QB's out there including the likes of Walker, who could win us 2 games or more readily available every year). On the other hand, what if Luck only misses a couple games? Could they step in and win those two games? I'd say that Brissett might be able to win one of those two games. Maybe. Less likely he wins 2 of 2, regardless of the teams we're playing at the time. So you have a 50% chance to win one of two games by Brissett if we're being fair since he won 4 of 15 last time around. (And you could say 1 of 2 in New England, giving him a 5 and 16 record as a starter). Colt McCoy could do that. Absolutely. In fact, he could win MORE than that if he wasn't so small and breakable. But to fill in 2 games, I give McCoy just as much chance to win 1 of 2 as I give Brissett.

So... McCoy plus a first rounder would be a slam dunk trade for us. McCoy and a second rounder likely would as well. McCoy and 2 3rd rounders would work, but Washington has only 5 picks this year with no 4th or 6th rounders. I doubt they will let go ANY of their picks worthy of Brissett, so it's a moot point. But the same principle would apply to any other team. A back up as good (bad?) as McCoy plus a low first or high second round should just about do it. Perhaps an additional lower round pick if the back up isn't up to snuff or a 4th if there is no back up offered up (or any other position of need that fits our culture).

Just my opinion, I could be right. Speculation is fun.

January 28, 2019

Tyrell Williams has always been an under utilized asset for the Chargers ridiculously deep WR corps. Travis Benjamin is another example. I think Tyrell is the better receiver of the two because of his measurable's *6'3"!!!!! 40 inch vertical, 4.4 40 etc.. He's averaged app. (I rounded) 60 catches, 800 yards and a strong 16.3 yds per catch average. His roughly 6 TD's per year is one in 10 catches. He only had one truly fully utilized season where he broke 1000 yards, had almost 70 catches and 7 TDs as the #3 option. I think his price will be super low, the risk will be super low but his upside could be enormous. He was only used 3 years really with his only rookie year catch an 80 yard TD, so not a bad first catch. The eye test always told me "this guy is under utilized" but your mileage may vary. He's 26 and I think combined with Luck he could be a breakout stud on a super affordable prove it contract. I might even sign him as a two year

I am looking for non obvious signees we could kick the tires on. DE Preston Smith and WR Tyrell Williams are two of the top on my list.

Your thoughts?

January 27, 2019

And his tackle total was solid compared to other available DE's suggesting he's reliable against the run. Shaq Barrett to me isn't reliable and has underachieved since the start. I have a feeling he's "on the board" this offseason for possible FA targets. Between affordability, age, solid 4 years and improving (though his 4 sacks this year were disappointing) I think there's a good chance he's part of our plans to talk to and assess further. The overall FA market is so damn weak this year, especially in key areas for the Colts that there's not a lot of options to even consider which seem ideally suited, even at the end of a costly price tag. We have the money, but do we have the candidates that can actually help us? Most of the really top pass rushers will be Franchise Tagged. I doubt we'll see either of the two Steelers coming here because our GM says he doesn't role that way. I think Preston may be one of our best candidates to sign.

January 25, 2019

I was just scrolling through DE/OLB FA Candidates and I wondered if anyone had thoughts of him being a fit in our defense. He's 6'6" 270 which may be a little heavy, not sure. Sheard is 6'2" and 250. He played really solid for the Redskins, but perhaps he's a reasonably priced candidate for us. Probably around 4 years 11 million per is his going rate. He's 26 so the age is right. Thoughts?

January 25, 2019

I couldn't read all the posts, sorry, but here are my thoughts after seeing the entire list:

It is unfair in principle to comparison rate multiple positions, and even more unfair to rate positions like LT/RT or #1CB/#2CB/Nickle (or worse, those that play in all 3 positions against those playing say #2 all year) and so on. Also just as problematic is WHO you play against week to week, especially in cases like Kelly/Boehm where they played not only different teams, but different circumstances/times of the season so you get unexpected ratings like Kelly on bottom. (For the record, I thought Boehm was solid for the most part compared to any/all of the centers prior to Kelly in the Luck years so perhaps we should really appreciate what he did as a backup more than many do but I digress). I don't mind PFF as a source for bored fans and message board discussions, but unless the SAME person rates EVERY player on every play all season the comparisons are invalid as no two assessments will ever mesh close enough to truly be fair. And since schemes/assignments are not ALWAYS obvious, even to a trained eye (perhaps coaches called for a responsibility different than the assessor assumes or they miss the assignment of the play for a player altogether).

So, PFF is fine for entertainment purposes, but not for wagering. (as the fortune teller's code demands). It's a conversation starter, but certainly not a convincing end all.

December 7, 2018

On 10/18/2018 at 1:15 PM, crazycolt1 said:

Anytime you are writing a mini novel you are over reacting.

If you consider that a novel I suggest you're spending too much time on twitter. Or perhaps you might try to pick up an actual book now and then to enrich yourself while learning your hyperbole is as weak as your opinion as stated above.

December 3, 2018

21 hours ago, needanoline63 said:

This team didn’t care today. Watch us next year though

I agree with the first half of your point. But if you don't care when you are tied for a playoff spot, why would you care MORE next year? The Texans are not going to suddenly disappear next year. The Jags will have a real QB option next year as well (wait and see). This is a 100% failure by everyone, but the blame for that is on the coach entirely.

He cost us the game with his cockiness forgetting they aren't really that good of a team and through grit and brilliance by Luck they crawled back into it. But he took that for granted 100% and this is the NFL and even Brady, Brees, Manning etc. take it on the chin and need their teams to make up the difference to win. In this case, his coach wasn't on his side. Luck limped the team into field goal range 3 times and the Colts with a sane coach should have score 9 points, plenty to win.

If this doesn't put an end to "4th down Frank" once and for all, then we made a bad choice of a coach who twice can't learn from his mistakes. He was a perpetual back up for a reason. Why didn't he leave back then and go elsewhere for a chance to start in his own right away from Kelly? That back up hero story is wearing thin. It appears he's wanting to "measure" something on the field and coming up very short in this phase of his career as he did earlier in his life.

October 14, 2018

On 10/5/2018 at 12:22 PM, crazycolt1 said:

Yes you are over reacting, period.

Can you name any previous WR corps for the Colts so totally devoid of talent? Sure, Hilton is hurt. But since when is a receiving corp 1 player? And Ballard didn't bring him in anyway. (It was practically the only no-brainer pick by Grigson that ever panned out). Many of us were screaming out for more WR help through the offseason, FA, draft, Pre-Season and still to this day. Luck and the Colts have no prayer to compete with such underwhelming receiving talent. There are bad teams all throughout the league with MUCH better WR corps let alone the good ones. We never had anything CLOSE to a #2 or even legit #3. TY gets hurt and it's lights out. I don't expect these rookies and undrafted FA's to run full route trees and make one handed catches down the sideline but damn... if they can't catch a 3 yard slant right in their hands OVER and OVER and OVER again... why have them on the team? Might as well raid every good teams Practice Squad guys by watching to see if any of them could actually catch a short pass hitting them in the hands/numbers. I can't imagine we could do any worse. And let's not even DREAM about any of them being able to get a little separation or count on any actual EFFORT plays (And could Ebron perhaps TRY to catch the ball a little more often?). We'll wait until "the plan" is in full effect before being too wishful but in Grigson's worst seasons we at least had some decent WRs.

October 14, 2018

3 hours ago, Mr.Debonair said:

Fire nobody. The personnel is bad!!! Really bad.

Well, if the personnel is "really bad" (your statement) then wouldn't Ballard be in the crosshairs?

October 10, 2018

4 hours ago, stitches said:

One of the fundamental misunderstandings of tanking is that you tell your players or coaches to not compete or to lose. This is not the case in a well thought out and planned tank. You just realign the priorities and prioritize the future over the short term success. This might include telling your coach that developing the youth and playing them is paramount. This might include trading/benching/cutting pieces that might help you win a game or two right now but are not part of the long-term plans for the team. This might include building the roster in the off-season in a way to not be able to sustain extensive injury bug. This might include being extra cautious with the injuries your team sustains and instead of rushing them to the field right away, making extra-certain that they are 100% ready to be back. None of those entail not competing or not wanting to win by the players on the field. The players and coaches still plan and play for wins, they are just artificially hindered short-term by the management in various ways in order to ensure maximizing the chance of long-term success.

We're already playing our youngest players. Our only ancient FA is now on IR. Who else would they sit? Vinateri? Luck? Hilton? They are the oldest players on the team that matter. Sitting any of them would be beyond silly. They are on field teachers at worst and team leaders across the board. Vinny doesn't have the years left to do so an I would expect him to retire or change teams if you sat him in the interest of intentionally losing. The entire thought process is short sighted and the mindset of a perpetual loser. Mathis wasn't a top draft pick. Go find the best pass rushers without spotlights on them. Hell, this year has already proven it can be done in later rounds and even better through clever scheming and calling the right formations and stunts at the right time with whoever is on the field. Any "management" who takes that approach will be run out of town on a rail in Indianapolis and good riddance to them if they do. Ruin everything for one player... half of those top picks usually don't pan out as people think. Instead, do your job in management and find the right players.

And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE find some FAs to fill in the gaping holes in our depth next year. They don't have to be starters, but already depending on practice players from other teams is a dangerous way to protect what is left of Luck's career. We should have drafted at minimum 1 tackle and likely brought in a solid back up Swing Tackle as well to supplement Haeg. We need to carry at least 10 O lineman next year because it is clear league wide that a position group that used to rarely have significant injury losses in past decades is now rampant and out of control, so we should prepare accordingly. Give Luck a solid line all season and the rest of the team can be garbage and he can still get us wins. A few more injuries to Luck and we'll be drafting a new QB before we know it or re-signing our backup to be our starter in a couple years. If we lose Nelson or our Center who do we have to back up either? Thankfully we can start the era of our 2nd round Guard's career at his intended position for better or worse, but like the others, who are his backups? 6 years and we've never even been close to any season during Manning's career on the O Line quality or depth. It's inexcusable.

October 10, 2018

10 hours ago, Matthew Gilbert said:

As a fan, rooting for a team to finish a mediocre 7-9 or 8-8 is just plain silly to me. The Colts could be 4-1 right now if a handful of things had went their way but they didn't. As banged up as they are, the Colts are still a competitive team right now. Could they rally and sneak into the playoffs? Perhaps, but are they going to make a SB run? I highly doubt it. I think they are clearly a couple of pieces away from really being a contender in the AFC.

I know some people are totally against tanking for a higher draft selection but I am not. Is a top draft pick a lock to be a hit? Of course not but adding a Nick Bosa or an Ed Oliver to this team could be huge. Maybe one guy alone won't turn this team into the AFC favorite but I think it will go along way to achieving that. Throw in the two second round picks (both being fairly early) and the core for this team could be set for years to come.

It's pretty clear Chris Ballard isn't likely to spend big in free agency and I'm ok with that. If he thinks they're one piece away and the right fit is there to spend up on, I could see him going after that player. I really like the Colts young core and want to see them to continue to build through the draft as planned. Picking in the 16-22 range in the upcoming draft would not be ideal for next years run at the AFC title.

We're getting the worst of the injury bug right now. Going forward, it will be other teams turns. It is clearly already that no one in our division is a complete team with or without injuries. With one of our worst starts in memory, we're still only 2 games back and have 2 games with both teams that are 2 games ahead of us. 8-8 COULD make the playoffs in our division. For those advocating for Ballard, they say bringing in youth is "the way" so what better way to battle test them than to keep playing meaningful games until the final week? And should these guys start coming along a bit with a still healthy Luck at the helm, he's good enough to advance should we punch a ticket in. Take Brady off the Pats, we could beat them. Take a few stars off any team we could beat them. We've lost and lost players all year but who's to say who our competitors for the playoffs are going to lose. Tanking? In the NFL? Dumbest idea ever with only a single exception and that is getting a surefire QB prospect like the Colts did when they got Luck (and likely when they got Manning as well). We even tried it with Jeff George as well. This whole "tanking" mindset means tossing away playing meaningful games, teaching young players to phone it in for a paycheck and nothing else and risking all that negativity for the chance at most of 1 player over other teams. That is ALL the difference between picking 1st and 32nd. (and an even worse tactic if you finish with a couple more wins)Because picking 1st means from then on you draft AFTER every other team has gone. So that one player better be worth all the negative lessons of "tanking" to cheat the system like every other low life team that does the same. It means NOT playing the games to win... it's like using poison as medicine for an illness you don't truly have. It doesn't help anything but makes you sicker in the long run. I'd rather starve than eat poison food and losing on purpose is poison. It's for weak minded losers and lacks any integrity. Not really the foundation to grow your team on.

Our best player this year on Defense is a 2nd round pick. By a mile. Spend the effort building a draft plan and get the right players and teach them to fight for EVERY win with every thing they have. Lose on purpose to cheat the system in hopes of getting a single magical player? Sure... if that is the character of your team, have at it. Hopefully the Colts aren't that foolish.

October 7, 2018

30 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Weak organization?

The Polian years, the Colts were the 2nd winningest orgranization in Pro Football. Behind only New England.

And you're complaining.

That's the text book definiiton of a spoiled fan. I'm sorry, but I don't know what else to say.

Winning in the NFL is hard and you're saying it wasn't enough and therefore the Colts were weak. Goodness gracious....

Winning in the regular season is completely different than the heinous underachievement we had in the post season. Manning's talent alone (much like a healthy Luck) won regular season games in the historically weakest division year after year and then horribly underperformed in the playoffs. All those #1 and #2 seeds meant nothing when we lost in the divisional round. 2 SB appearances in all those Indy years with supposedly the best team of the decade? He went to Denver at the end of his career and got there 2 out of 4 years and if he'd been in his prime he likely would have won or come closer to winning all 4 years in Denver. In Indy they were exposed as frauds in the playoffs year after year. Have you really forgotten?

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