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1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:
Pittman has produced with a different qb every year of his career. I think a lot of folks here sell him short. I think the dude has more than we know
Yeah I think so too. He was a 100- 1000 receiver with a backup. He's made enough highlight catches in his young career to know what he's capable of. I really just want him to push the limits with him to find out. If there was one pro to Carson Wentz, it was that he could push the ball downfield, creating jump ball opportunities for (what was then a very young/raw) Pittman. He drew a lot of PI calls in '21. We haven't had that since.
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1 minute ago, w87r said:
I'd be the first to say I think Superman takes the title.
I feel I'm pretty well versed, but if I'm ever unsure on something, I check with him. Lol.
His name kind of represents the entire umbrella though. You need a title.
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1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
Not really good draft compensation if it’s a team picking in the low twenties. And I doubt Pittman would leave for a team that wasn’t considered in Super Bowl contention.
For a second round pick that wants out, if that is the case? Sounds pretty good to me...
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32 minutes ago, w87r said:
People will say what they want to hear.
People will respond to what they want to read, it also seems.
32 minutes ago, w87r said:I'm not the resident anything though.
I think you should embrace it... All hail the forum capologist. 😂
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Just now, Solid84 said:
I guess I see zero point in bringing up the Chiefs’ situation (and specifically their WR room) if it wasn’t to suggest that you can win without an elite WR.
I guess I see zero point continuing this conversation... You would read it however you wanted to perceive it anyways.
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14 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:
but you are right you can’t ignore what they had in Kielce and Mahomes when comparing their offense to the Colts.
see above response. Not one person compared the Colts offense to the Chiefs...
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17 minutes ago, Solid84 said:
No, but what you said is an oversimplification of their situation. They won with an elite passcatcher - not without one. WR or not.
If we drafted Bowers and he turned out to be a Kelce-level passcatcher I’d be perfectly fine keeping Pierce, Downs and Pittman as our WR core.
As it is we still need a high-level playmaker in the passing game. That could mean both a top 5 WR or Bowers in this draft.
You read it as an oversimplification. I simply stated they had an average receiver room. Which they do. They lost one of the best wide receiver's in the modern era, and still won back to back superbowls. Everyone with eyes knows that the defense carried them, and that Mahomes led that final drive of the superbowl. That doesn't diminish Kelce. I'm as big of a Travis Kelce fan as the next guy. I simply made a statement and you responded that I couldn't compare the Colts offense, which I made no such comparison. And now are you picking apart the statement. LOL. My post had nothing to do with the Colts, aside from the scenario that they (the chiefs) would give up valuable picks for Pittman. To which I stated they would not give the picks away, and they don't need Pittman, which both are correct. -
2 minutes ago, Solid84 said:
They still had an elite passcatcher in Kelce. Our situation is nowhere near the same.
Notice that I didn't state anything remotely suggesting that. I simply stated that they value their picks so they can continue focusing on the Trenches and defense...
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I think that Ballard and Steichen want Pittman for one reason very few talks about: his blocking ability.
He is a better blocker on the outside as we are going to find. I want Pitt to be here. It's obvious that the Colts want him to be here, aside from what we don't see (the contract offers.) But Pitt has to want to be here.
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1 minute ago, ProblChld32 said:
Henry Ruggs
What kind of deal is looking at? Three packs of cigarettes?
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1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:
The Chiefs aren't giving up 2 firsts
The Chiefs won with a pretty average set of receivers after losing Ty Hill. They will value those picks and continuing to build the o-line and defense in the draft with Mahomes contract. Ballard spoke about that quite a bit the other day.
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Just now, stitches said:
The worst thing is that Ballard has already set the precedent that he would give in and sign a player who sits out, Sure, Taylor made the situation much uglier than what I expect Pittman to do but I actually think this is not out of the question scenario. I think it's possible Pittman sits out. Possible but unlikely, at least taking into account what he's said about the franchise tag before. But then again... Taylor had similar statements and then showed he was ready to make things VERY UGLY in order to get what he wants... so...
Yeah but the difference was a significant amount of money. Taylor was in the final year of his contract, and was looking to a totally different market this offseason that he was up against. It was the best play for him and it worked out.
For Pittman, who many on this forum don't view as a true WR1, and that can play for almost as much guaranteed money on the tag than JT's entire contract is worth... and a draft that is receiver heavy, it's not the same situation. -
1 minute ago, stitches said:
That's the thing... what's the point of an unsigned offer sheet? Does it serve ANY purpose whatsoever? Lets say the Chiefs sign the offer sheet but Pittman doesn't sign it... he comes to the Colts and says what exactly? Look at this - a team is giving me this type of money? Give it to me or.... what? I will sign the offer sheet? What is the incentive for the Colts to negotiate with the Chiefs for ANYTHING LOWER THAN 2 1st round picks? If they have already signed that offer sheet, the Colts incentive is to actually make Pittman sign it.
I don’t see a team ever offering more than market value as well as picks… If anything it would be Pittman wanting to go to the chiefs on equal or less money and the chiefs wanting him to negotiate for them. It’s a laughable scenario.
Pittman has found himself up against the Colts leverage. And it appears they have the leverage, at least in my eyes. He can threaten to sit out like JT did. And the colts can laugh as he isn’t the same player that JT is. Not with the receiver strength in this draft. That would be hard to swallow watching your team play hardball back and drafting your replacement while you sit on the sidelines.
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Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
It’s not the exclusive tag so yes there is a chance. What happens if bills or chiefs come calling and he says I want out.
then he wanted that all along and there isn’t much we could do aside from risking him holding out, is there?
so you put a deal on that gives us opportunity to match their lowball offer, or if he really wants out, you take their picks and move on…
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Just now, GoColts8818 said:
They aren’t letting him walk. He’s tagged. He’s going to be here. Check the over reaction at the door.
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1 minute ago, richard pallo said:
They won’t get two firsts I believe. They will make a different arrangement with the Colts. This is like a tag and trade now. Team agrees to a contract the Colts won’t match so the Colts rescind the tag and trade him for something less than to firsts.
why would they do that?
To me it’s just a tool that is going to lower his value from what he is seeking. Who is going to pay him high and give up two first round picks, especially with a draft this deep at receiver? It seems like a good deal for the colts. He gets to explore, get an offer and the colts get to match it. It’s likely going to be in the neighborhood of what they were offering to begin with. And if not, they get picks. I want Pittman to be here, but it’s obvious he is playing hardball and/or wants to potentially leave.
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4 minutes ago, richard pallo said:
Still sucks. They had plenty of time. They got up to the deadline. If they were that close it should wrap up tomorrow.
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2 minutes ago, JediXMan said:
I don’t see Bowers dropping to the Colts anyways.
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6 minutes ago, dw49 said:
How in the world would that be a "blanket statement." If anything it's a "specific" statement . Probably far fetched but a "blanket statement ?" Uhhhh... no
my misunderstanding on what a blanket statement is.
probably far fetched is way underselling it. It wouldn’t happen, so it’s laughable.
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5 minutes ago, dw49 said:
For instance , let's suppose the Colts cut a gay player and Jim Irsay in a drunken stupor said so at a bar. By your blanket statement , that player couldn't sue ?
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An active Ogletree makes the tight end room better. Has me cheering for Bowers to be taken top 14 now. Every player that we don't need taken ahead of us is good news.
I won't comment on anything charge related as I don't have much of an opinion. It's a wild world right now.
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8 minutes ago, NFLfan said:
You may choose a team. You can pick any team but the Colts, Bears, Broncos and Giants. (Colts will be assigned by lottery.
@ @ColtStrong2013 @OffensivelyPC Interested?
thanks for the invite. Don’t think I can commit with erratic time obligations. I hope for a more stable schedule in the next year or two which would allow me to.-
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When is this news going to drop? Tomorrow at 4?
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1 minute ago, Defjamz26 said:
Yes. They didn’t go 1-4, but 3 QBs went in the first 3 picks. Everyone was just way off on Levis. Idk if there’s a Levis this year, in terms of a guy who is going to get projected top 5, but actually go on day 2. Williams, Maye, Daniels, and McCarthy are all better prospects than Levis.
first 4 picks…that doesn’t mean it almost happened. I don’t see Ballard picking Levis at #4 (regardless of what Jim Irsay said he “thinks”) if the #1 non qb is on the board. They could have traded back, even within the top 10 and still easily landed Levis. I thought it was crazy to think they’d go 1-4 then and I still do. especially in last years draft or this years. Too much talent at the top. all the talk about liking will Levis was smoke and mirrors to detract from their ultimate target. I think that is obvious, and the fact he fell to 33 speaks volumes.
Update: Charges against Drew Ogletree dismissed with prejudice (merge). **Ogletree reinstated pg4 updated**
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is this either of you getting on the forum in the evening?
😂
I kid. Much respect to you both.