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NOTE: Long post ahead…. The issue you’re not seeing is this…. This discussion was over whether or not Grigson can be viewed as a good judge pf talent. The three jobs he had between the time he was fired by the Colts and the time he was hired by Minnesota were all temporary jobs, not staff jobs. He was paid to come in and give his opinion for consideration. His was not the final voice in any decision. His Wiki profile refers to those three titles as NFL Executive, NFL Consultant, NFL Advisor. 5 years, three temp jobs. As you yourself noted, the NFL has some boys club mentality to it, and Grigson has made friends. I’m glad he found work. But those jobs don’t prove he’s a good judge of talent. It proves he’s got friends. If he does a good job in Minnesota THAT will prove he’s better at his job this time around than he was with the Colts. As to his time with the Colts, in another post you listed all the good players that got hurt. The problem is, the same thing happened to the other 31 GMs too. They had good players who got hurt. Under Grigson, the roster got older and less talented, less athletic, less skilled. That’s in part how the team went from 11-5 three straight years to 8-8 in back to back seasons. The roster deteriorated around Luck. You can point to Luck’s injury in 15 but not 16. And to your point about fans being unfairly critical of Grigson, I’m actually shocked you went there with Grigson because of the following….. 1. He was HATED by his own hand picked head coach. Do you not remember the marriage counselor that Irsay brought in to try to patch things up? Unprecedented in NFL history. 2. He was HATED by the assistants. Do you not remember the quotes from anonymous assistants that said Grigson was ordering the staff to start/play Trent Richardson to help save RG’s reputation? 3. He was HATED by the players. When Grigson pushed Pat McAfee into a contract stalemate Irsay ordered him to get the deal done. Reggie Wayne talked about walking down hallways and Grigson would walk past right past him as if he didn’t exist. 4. He literally publicly blamed his franchise quarterback and his big second contract as the reason there wouldn’t be enough money to spend on free agency to improve the team. Who does that? It’s one thing to think it, but who says that publicly? None of these four stories goes to his ability to judge talent. But it goes to your claim that fans aren’t being fair to Grigson. I think that’s completely false. I think you’re being way too kind to him. I don’t rule out that he might do a better job this time around, maybe he’s learned from his mistakes? But he couldn't possibly do worse.

As of early May….. Id say 6 or 7. I think it’s possible to have more, but I think it’s much less likely. It'll be interesting what we all think after the pre-season in the 2 week window before the regular season starts. About 4 months from now.

No, I wouldn’t say that at all, at least, not from the Colts. But Brown was the first to find AR. Happened back in August of 22 BEFORE Richardson started his only season for Florida. It was pre-season practice. And in his current job, he has flexibility to go where he wants in search of the most unique and special talent. And it’s being shared that Brown went to see him often. He was raw and Brown wanted to see his progress (or not) in person. If there’s any spin happening, I don’t think it’s from the Colts. It might be from the story from Stampede Blue. I think the Colts are giving Brown credit for finding a raw unpolished Diamond before most anyone else did. Simply a pat on the back.

You keep writing that sentence…. “There is evidence that Grigson has skill as an evaluator of talent.” Yet, oddly enough, you do not offer any of that evidence. No names. Not from the draft or from free agency. Posters here are asking you. What? Evidence?

No need to be sorry. It’s all good.

What are you confused about? Odds are there is ZERO guaranteed. You sign him to the most years you can (3) in case he unexpectedly turns into something and becomes a keeper. And if he doesn’t, he can be cut with no impact to the salary cap. Win-win for the Colts and the kid.

Im not exactly sure what you’re looking for from me? Do I agree with Fluke about Grigson? 100 percent no. Which surprises me a little, because that poster and I agree far more than we disagree. I can go into a very long and detailed case, I don’t think it’s very hard to make the opposite case. But I want to make sure that’s what you’re asking. So I’ll hold off until I understand what you’re looking for.

Other than taking Raimann last year in the 4th round (it was actually pick 77 in R3) I pretty much agree with most everything in this post. Hope people will read it with an open mind.

For whatever it’s worth… NFL.com has reported Tennessee tried several times to trade into the first round but couldn’t find a team willing to trade down. Those teams wanted to draft the players they took and not risk losing them. So the Titans were happy to find Levis available at 33 where they could make a deal with a team.

You think Grigson is a good talent evaluator? Ryan Grigson?!? The guy who used to be the Colts GM?!? Based on…….. what exactly? Asking for several million Colts fans?

There's a story out in the last day or so that had a Seattle Exec saying the Seahawks liked AR a lot, but would NOT have drafted him. I think it was on NFL.com, but I wouldn’t swear to it.

It wasn’t a reporter. It was Randy Meuller, a former NFL GM who wrote a story for the 33rd team website. He misunderstood what he saw. He reacted to what he saw LIVE, in real time, NOT to the exclusive clip that the colts showed a week later. What was shown live was not this clip, it was a much more muted reaction.

I would’ve thought a GM wouldn’t have made such a silly mistake. The director cut to the Colts draft room at precisely the wrong time. And he took it as the official reaction. That’s a rookie mistake. I hope at some point he acknowledges it….

I’m sure Diggs plays a big part in Allen’s improvement, but I wouldn’t give him all the credit. I suspect that it was year three and the NFL game was slowing down for Allen as it does for most NFL QBs also played a role.

Good post. But I’d add that it took Allen three years to be what he is today. **His first year, Allen was at 52 percent. **His second year was a nice jump to 59 percent. But still under 60. **But It wasn’t until his third year where Allen enjoyed a huge leap to 68 percent. A leap so big it had never been done before in the history of the NFL by any 3rd year QB. Not once. So Josh Allen is in a class all by himself. I wonder if this fan base will give AR three years? I hope so. There are fans here who may not give him three games.

Luck completed 54 percent as a rookie because of the big chunk play system favored by Arians and Pagano. Remember, his last two years at Stanford, Luck completed 70 percent of his passes. He was not inaccurate with throwing flaws when he came to Indy as AR is.

Thanks! That’s the one. His career stats say he runs roughly 7-8 times a game. Would be hard to imagine seeing that drop to perhaps 4-5 times a game. 2-3 runs a game LESS might save his body a lot of wear and tear over the course of a year.

For whatever it’s worth…. I think Josh Allen has recently expressed a desire to run less. He believes it will prolong his career. It may make him less dynamic, but that’s a trade off he’s willing to make. Sorry, I can’t link currently, but the story shouldn’t be hard to find.

^^^^^^^^^^^^. THIS !! ^^^^^^^^^^^^ This might be the best post you’ve ever written. It is 100% spot on. Congrats! I wish I had written it!

The 24 draft appears to have real serious star power. If Richardson is promising and the Colts can focus on the non-QB positions next year’s draft might really launch the Colts to new heights.

First, the Colts said Levis was worth the 4th pick. There are video interviews out tonight saying so. Second, the Titans traded up about 10 spots to take Levis with the 2nd pick in the second round a year after taking Willis in the 3rd round. So the Titans would appear to want Levis to become their future. Whether it happens this year or not I don’t know, but it looks like that’s what Tenn wants. Levis was picked just two spots from where Lamar Jackson was in 18. And Levis was picked about 18 spots ahead of where Jalen Hurts was in 20. Those two guys are now the two highest paid QBs on a yearly basis. Carr and Garoppolo and Smith were 2nd round picks. Cousins and Prescott were 4th round picks. Am I missing anyone? I’m pulling for Levis, except the two times a year he plays the Colts. I just think there’s way too much bashing of the kid.

Why do you think all 32 teams see the same thing the same way. They don’t. That’s proven every year. If Levis is a backup this year — who cares? He looks like the Titans QB of the future. You seem to think getting picked 33rd overall makes him a career backup. It doesn’t.

I just looked him up. His official title is Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. So yes, I’d say there’s a very good chance that Grigson is indeed influencing your draft decisions. Which decisions don’t you like?

Not that I could tell. And Pagano always preached the big chunk play offense…. So…. It’s hard for me to be totally objective about Pep. I don’t think he’s a good coach and I don’t think he’s a good person. Glad he moved on. Thought Frank’s offense was the one Luck should’ve always been in.

Luck wasn’t accurate because of the offense he was running. Pagano and Arians and Pep and Chudzinski believed in big chunk play offense. Reich came in with a more West Coast passing attack and Luck’s percentage went way up, and the offense took off. It’s the offense he ran successfully in college and it’s the offense the Colts should have been in when they drafted Luck. Short passing game with play action plus a solid running game. Luck didn’t have that until 2018 — his best year and his last year.