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Just some interesting facts. I know this won't change minds that are entrenched either way and many factors change things from year to year, but:
Career facts unless noted otherwise:
Edgerrin James =yards per carry with the Colts only=4.2, yards per reception=8.0, fumbles per touch=1.3% and good pass blocker
Ahmad Bradshaw=career ypc=4.6 (4.5 with Colts), yards per reception=8.1, fumbles per touch=1.7% and good pass blocker
Joseph Addai=4.1 ypc, yards per reception=7.6, fumbles per touch=0.54% (not even 1%) and good pass blocker
Arian Foster=4.4 ypc, 9.0 yards per reception, fumbles per touch=1.0% and no opinion on his pass blocking
Donald Brown=4.2 ypc, 9.7 yards per reception, fumbles per touch= 0.019 (2 tenths of one per cent) and poor pass blocker
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Gore was tearing it up today. I would like to see him (TRich) have that type of production, parallel to what Frank Gore has done for the first several years of his career. Gore was gashing and slashing his way to 150 or so yards and in the process had about a 7.7 ypc avg. I realize Gore's a special player and it's probably unfair to compare proven talent to un-proven talent, but just sayin'.
I think you have picked out a very fair comparison. Roughly, the same type runners. Our RB's (without Luck's ypc) are averaging 4.4 ypc. For the price, I'm hoping we see TRich hit 4.5-5.0 at least. Against the Jags, I'm hoping he gets about 10-15 carries and 50-75 yds.
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Facts are facts until he proves them wrong. He averages 3.5 ypc; yes we all know he had the box stacked a lot when he was in Cleveland. That won't wash in Indy with Luck at QB. If he goes this season averaging 3.5-3.9 per carry, we will probably have a better handle on the runner he is. I'm hoping he proves it all wrong and clicks off about 4.5 ypc. We'll see.
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Interesting reads on all this--btw Mackey's #88 was not retired because he was one of the early leaders of the NFLPA and actually initiated a strike in '70. The Colts owner, Caroll Rosenbloom, held it against Mackey for the remainder of his career. And of course, Bob Irsay would not go out of his way for anyone, and did not pick up Rosenbloom's slack when they traded franchises and did not retire it. Mackey was the best TE of the first 50 years and arguably the best ever. He was ahead of his time and revolutionized the position along with Mike Ditka. Before them, TE's were nearly all blocking positions. Mackey and Ditka were the first real pass catchers. Mackey's main attribute was breaking tackles, though. He definitely was the best ever at doing that. Take a look at the highlight from the '60s game vs. the Lions to get an idea of what John Mackey was famous for.
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The blocking by the O-Line is still mediocre. IMO
Look at rushing attempts per game, the use of a FB & HB, who are the ones actually clearing out the holes, and having a running QB.
Check me, but i bet Andrew has about 25% of our rushing yards.
I`m liking it for sure tho, it is winning FB.
And Running good makes your D better. Tho don`t be fooled by the D`s stats that can be greatly enhanced by a successful ball control offense.
Yes, I thought of that as well. Without Luck's ypc we are at 4.4, but that's still healthy. I must agree that our O-line still is a work in progress. But this is encouraging. And the leader in yards per carry (but only has 10 carries) is everyone's favorite on this board...Donald Brown (averaging 5.5 ypc).
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That deer antler juice is good stuff !
I am still laughing.
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We are currently ranked 4th in the NFL in rushing and have a healthy 4.8 ypc average. Interestingly enough, even during the Edge years, the highest we ranked with him was 15th (2005) and our best year running the ball was the year Edge was out (2001) when we jumped to 7th. (All years' rankings starting in '99 were 19,16,7,26,19,19,15,16). Our average ypc those years was mediocre at best (with a high of 4.5 ypc the year Edge was out and a low of 3.6 and 3.7 which we had 2 seasons). Our running game is even more amazing this year, considering our O-line has been patchwork. They are terrible at pass blocking, but they're run blocking is close to historic. Just a point of note I thought was interesting after doing some research.
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Wow, we have really reached the pont that twice the legal limit at 7 a.m. popping curbs and striking a tree is called a minor issue.
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If he continues this type of play through much of December, I will not be surprised if the management extends him for 3 years.
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so the question is in hindsight would u take russell wilson and all them picks ? for luck
It really is very interesting to play ''hindsight''. Go a step further and say we keep Peyton, take Russell Wilson in the 2nd rd plus have all those picks. Yes, I know this is hindsight, but still very interesting to think about.
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We had a strong run game for as long as we had a strong offensive line. It's not a coincidence that Joseph Addai went from looking like "Edge 2.0" in his rookie season, to out of the league all together in 5 years. Championships are won in the trenches. You would think a former offensive linemen would grasp that concept more than anyone else. My mistake
Wow. Someone gets it totally. With the large amount of quality RBs in the league, the RB position has been greatly devalued over the past several years. The big impacter is the quality of the o-line. There are exceptions of course. I think AP would get 4.0 ypc if anyone were blocking for him. But it most cases, the O line is the difference.
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There is a term for trusting in those who we deem smarter then ourselves, but it slips my mind at the moment lol.
Likely your trusting in them more because they are saying what your saying, so your trusting less in their experience, knowledge, and qualifications, and more in your own biases. Not that your wrong/or will end up wrong. But just because your in a position of power or authority doesn't make you infallible.
Outstanding point. Whether the person "paid" to make the decision agrees with me or not, just because he is ''paid'' to make these decisions does not mean he is making the right decision. If so, the percentage of first round draft choices that achieve what the team that drafted them expected would be more than 40%. Also, I think Bobby Beathard was being paid when he chose Ryan Leaf, and I'm pretty sure the GM's that chose Brady Quinn, Jim Druckenmiller, JeMarcus Russell and countless other flops, were being ''paid'' to make those decisons as well.
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I have mixed feelings. I think Richardson has the potential to be a top back but he has not shown enough yet to be worthy of trading the 1st round pick. IMO
I couldn't have summed it up better. We will probably have a middle of the round pick in the 1st round and we probably could not have gotten as high a potential player as TR. (Draft picks are much overrated-only 40% of the top 10 picks in the draft actually achieve potential). The only issue I have with this is that we have Ahmad Bradshaw and could pick up a decent back to go with AB and Donald Brown (I know everyone hates DB here). I would have rather us get an O lineman or a true havock causing LB for this first round pick, but I'm sure those were not available. Bottomline, you summed it up well, CoffeeD.
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No guarantee could go 1-5 in these games, I had us going 10-6 maybe 9-7 before season started, Beating Miami at HOME was 1 of those wins that means we need to beat a team I thought was a lose. Based on what I have seen so far we are a 500 ball club.
I had us at 9-7 before the season as well--before the season started. Going to be a hard road to hit 9-7 now.
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Looking at the schedule IMHO, I think we will go 8-8. I think it's very possible to go 9-7 and 10-6 is not impossible.Given the stretch we're about to hit with SF, Jax (hopefully easy win), Seattle, San Diego, Denver, Houston. If we go 3-3 over the next 6 games, we could hit 10 wins, though.
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Am I disappointed that we lost at home to a team that is ranked 21st in total offense and 18th in total defense? Yes. Am I thinking we are still improving and will have games like this from time to time? Yes.
Truly disappointed in:
the defense not stopping a mediocre offense
the pass into the end zone that was intercepted
Truly happy with:
Cherilus keeping Cameron Wake off of Luck
The run game averaging 5.0 ypc
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I feel less worried about barely losing to Miami than I do beating Oakland by the skin of our teeth. Miami is an above average team with a below average QB. Oakland is just plain bad.
In the end, the main problem with both games was, and will continue to be, the blocking of our line/TE's/RB's.
Our special teams were better as of last season. The defense has spurts where it plays well, but is largely unreliable. Nothing new, there.
Yes, you would be on the money here. I think the reason so many are disappointed is that we have played 2 "mediocre at best" teams and the defense has still allowed 4.5 ypc and made Tannehill look like he's matured sevenfold since last year (very doubtful he has done that). The defense definitely needs to come up with more stops and the offense needs to sustain more drives. I actually can't believe I think we should run the ball more. We are averaging 5.0 ypc and Bradshaw looked solid yesterday. And when you factor in Luck is on pace to be sacked 56 times this year, we may need to pound the ground more. Once again, I can't believe I said that, but it looks like it now, especially with less than expected defensive results.
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Um, ok. You joined the discussion late and clearly missed some posts. But my biggest point to your post would be that an offensive line has more responsibility than just to run block.
I didn't ask which players put up elite numbers, I asked which players were actually "elite"...as in top 5-7 of their position. I'll give you Vernon Davis and Boldin is borderline. Why were these guys able to put up elite numbers? Because they play behind great offensive lines.
You are spot on right. Offensive lines control a tremendous amount of the game at every level of football. It's not just a cliche that "games are won and lost in the trenches". Yes, the NFL has changed and continues to evolve and it's a QB's league more than ever, but O lines control a tremendous amount of the success or failure of a team.
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The "setting the edge" answer is two-fold, which I think many have been saying. We did a decent to good job of setting the edge against the regular run game. However, its a different answer altogether when talking of Pryor's ability to gain yards off the run. I really don't see that as a sign that our run defense did poorly. A QB running from the pocket is totally different than the conventional run game (which we stopped well). I'll say we have improved stopping the run game and glad we don't play a running QB a ton of games this year. I will reserve judgement a couple of weeks more to see if our ability in stopping the run is legit.
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Cherilus is an upgrade over Justice, which is what we were going for.......He is not a pro bowl talent at this point in his career, he will quit on some plays, He is slow footed but he is upgrade.......Not a huge upgrade but still an upgrade
Bingo. He is an upgrade but not huge. He averages giving up 6.2 sacks per season according to Pro Football Weekly. This is not terribly bad but not great either. He is fairly average to slightly above average. In contrast, one of the best pass blockers in the NFL, Dave Stewart of the Titans, gives up 3 sacks per season, but that's outstanding. On the other hand, Castonzo is one of lesser pass blockers giving up 9 sacks per season for his 2 seasons. Btw, Jake Long gives up 5.3 sacks per season.
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Wow, if only we could pull of those trades. Just too much dreaming there.
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I believe there isn't a correlation that being optimistic makes you a better fan, or being pessimistic makes you less a fan. In fact, if I let emotion drive my decisons where it counts such as at work i would have been fired a long time ago. I'm just more analytical and say what I think about the team. They might be negative or it might be positive, but it in no way indicates the level of a Colts fan that I am. Btw, I've been a huge Colts fan through Super Bowl seasons and disasterous seasons for the past 47 seasons.
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Great question Chad. I've been a Colt fan since '67 and my answer to this question has changed in phases throughout those 46 seasons (wow-46 seasons really?). Early on, every Sunday was crucial to me, probably because 1-2 loss teams were the norm in Baltimore in the '60s and early '70s. (If you didn't live through Super Bowl III, be glad because that one still hurts). But the mid-'70s teams with Bert Jones were such upstarts, and I actually enjoyed the journey those years (regardless of the finishing losses). Same goes for the Dickerson years in the '80s and the Harbaugh years in the mid-'90s. But the Peyton years brought on a feeling of such greatness and potential that I didn't enjoy the journey as much as I should have each season. Even Super Bowl 41 was more of a relief that we finally won a SB, than a super joy for me. I honestly think we should have won 3 SB's those years and not just the 1 in '06. But really, we should all enjoy the journey much more than most of us do. That doesn't just go for football either.
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That is what drove me nuts with Bill Polian. You don't need to go after high priced FAs and overpay your own FAs, but you can let the dust settle from the high priced FA market and still add FA pieces to help your team constantly. I never understood why we didn't do enough of that.
Exactly right. I thought so many times how one or two players above average (but not great) free agents would have helped us in the Polina era. Grigs is doing it.
brown looked good.
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Good eval on Donald. If the hole is there, he gets more yards than most any RB we have had, but on the other hand, if the hole's not there he probably gets less than other RBs. This actually should work with the O line we have now, since they are good run blockers (not so good pass blockers). If DB gets 9 or 10 rushes per game (and honestly I think he could handle a larger load with the O line's good run blocking) and as many receptions as we can get to him, I think that's the answer.