Sumo63
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Thanks to Coach Pagano for his time, effort, and talent here in Indy.....best of luck going forward. Personally, Im excited for the future of this franchise!
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They probably want to keep distractions at a minimum until the season is over. I suspect we'll hear from Andrew in Jan.
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1 hour ago, Hammer said:
I didn't find his post game presser. I miss it but I suppose I could just hit rewind on any of his others.
Nfl app had a clip. Paraphrasing here: just keep grinding and things will eventually turn. Hes out of answers, has been all year. It's past the point of being hard to watch and approaching pitiable.
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6 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:
You’re agreeing with me then. I was saying no one expected him to win because pretty much everything he’s built so far has been bad.
Absolutely.
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14 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:
I know that. And no one was expecting them to win this year, so I’m not sure what you mean.
I mean he's built this coaching staff, these are his guys. He's coached this team for six years. It is what is because of him, not in spite of him. Not expecting him to win with the team that he himself has built is absurd. I dont know any other way to say it.
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15 minutes ago, richard pallo said:
And this could be his first losing season.
It's professional football, missing the playoffs is a losing season......how many 8-8 banners you see hanging from the rafters?
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13 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:
No one was expecting Chuck to make a winner of this team, & that’s not how he’ll be evaluated. The way that he’s losing these games is ultimately what’ll do him in.
Uh, this is HIS team, he's coaching in his 6th year.......
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1 minute ago, Coltfreak said:
I actually want Chud fired more than I want Pagano fired
Why bet on any of them? With this staff this IS colts football. Its year 6, just my opinion, but I say let Ballard have his guys and try to salvage what is left of the "Luck era". Ballard should be allowed to sink or swim on his own merits, not tread water mired in the baggage of the past. Its why he was hired afterall.
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3 minutes ago, Coltfreak said:
I see They have dropped in the last couple of weeks so I stand corrected. Yet they have less talent.... they have still come from #32 to 11 and the Saint were at the bottom also and have improved constantly. The point is that not everyone has super talent. All teams have issues. But are being coached. The Colts actually have better talent on D than the Pats and Saints
Let's not fight people. The fact is since 2012 the colts have one of the lower, if not the lowest, draft retention in the league. Part of that is poor drafting under Grigson, but it is equally on the coaching staff to develop the talent. The argument that Pagano should keep his job based on poor talent is actually an indictment of his own performance as a head coach. Even with a new gm: 2nd, 3rd, 4th rd (Banner) picks all invisible..........6 years of this, I have to look at the common denominator. GM, position coaches, coodinators, players have all been fired and the product on the field has gotten consistently worse. Like it or not, and by his own doing, Chuck is the last man standing.
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22 minutes ago, sfergson727 said:
You guys can believe what you want. I tend to believe that Luck is finished. He had cortisone shots every week for whole season, that is very bad for the surrounding tissue. I think he is done, but that is my opinion only. Time will tell.
Neither one of us commented on his long term prognosis. You may be right, he could be done. What I was saying (as I will not speak for Coltfreak) is that travelling to Europe, which by some accounts, is decades ahead of the U.S. in sports medicine does not indicate a last ditch effort. He's not grasping at straws, he's taking the next logical step on the road to recovery. But we can agree wholeheartedly that time will tell....the mystery shoul be solved somewhere around draft day.
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4 minutes ago, Coltfreak said:
How do you get that? Sounds to me like he did research and this is a very good option that has a good success rate.... seems to me he is just smart
Exactly, taking what basically amounts to unlimited financial resources and seeking the best care on the planet isn't "grasping at straws".
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5 minutes ago, CF4L said:
Agree with a lot of this except I don't think Luck was a generational talent. People throw that around a little too loosely.
Yea honestly, who's to say.....maybe I should have phrased it as a "potential generation talent" but i'd challenge you to think of a QB that has done more in his first 5 years, surrounded by the organizational and roster mediocratey that we've seen since 2012, than Andrew Luck. Dude is proven, just look at our record and consider: zero protection, inept coaching, lowest draft retention since 2012, torn labrum, lacerated kidney, shoddy defense...who else would you credit the relative "success" too?
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24 minutes ago, The Fish said:
How dare you try and be reasonable!!!
I know, it's one of my many shortcomings........
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With all the heat on the organization, it's possible he went across the pond, not only for treatment/rehab, but to quiet the "Luck must speak with media" narrative the local hosts have been pushing. The end of the season is the appropriate time for such interviews. As much as we all want it, now is not the time....
I have the same concerns we all do, but the bottom line is: either he'll play in 2018 or he won't, either he's a Colt in 2018 or he's not.....we, as a fan base, will be the last to know. And we won't have a say in it one way or another.
If he never plays again, history will hold Irsay, Pagano, and Grigson (mostly the latter two) responsible for taking a generational talent and reducing him to a 5 year blip on the radar......
In the plus column tho, regardless of outcome, young Andrew is a multi-multi millionaire and will be able to live out the rest of his life in any way he sees fit. And if I have to, I will personally consider that a happy ending to a messed up tale.
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Ouch......just ouch......didnt even know this was possible.
P.s. don't Google it, I did a deep dive, it got grizzly....
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I listened to the interview. It was trash. DD taking cheap shots, treating unnamed sources as fact, asking the same tired questions I've heard Ballard answer multiple times. Heck, Ballard answered them all in a much more civil discourse with JMV the day before (which Dan claims not to have listened to). Just garbage.....Colts have said officially, over and over, that they expected andrew to play early this year, no timeline for his return, not going to put him out at less than 100%.....and to Irsay, news flash guys and gals, he's not the most eloulquent human on the planet....parse his words, take them with a grain of salt, say it however you want.....Dude didn't lie, he was just wrong in his estimation and probably spoke too soon.........NBD.
Season ticket holders *? Sell your seats, the internet exists......
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15 hours ago, Roger said:
This may have been posted already, but if it was, I missed it.
The guy makes some points. Luck has shown greatness, but overall his stats are hohum. Irsay's remarks about the four inches also makes me think. Maybe it is the time to cash in this chip and give the new GM serious ammunition to build a complete team. Luck led Colts were 10-12 since the start of 2015. Colts don't have a good team. Trading Luck might be the way to become a good team. Of course, it's too bad they would not be selling at peak value.
10-12 with Grigson "generally" managing, inept coaching, zero player development, a poor defense, a bad offensive line, a ground game that was lackluster at best, and a torn labrum (not to mention coming back from a lacerated kidney). He's not a guy you cash in, stats be danged. His ability to come back close to 100% In 2018 is the only factor that matters in this equasion.
As for the "4 inches between his ears".....its an unfotunate way to say "We've got to get him to the point where he trusts his shoulder." Anderson said the same thing about his knee for about a year.....way too much is being made of all of Irsay's comments....unpopular stance, I know, but it's what I believe.
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I just hope for an exaustive search resulting in the best man for the job. A "name" for names sake is every bit as dangerous as rolling the dice on new blood. Speculation aside tho, we're all just watching......
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Yea, if I remember correctly, he was released at about 8 or 9 o'clock that same morning.....the internet will know for sure tho......
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While he's exhibiting fury, he should aim some at whoever convinced him the o line was fixed......nobodys gonna buy me feeling sorry for a billionaire, but in this case I do. He's had his trust violated for three years. Hopefully Ballard can bring in a staff that can think beyond clamouring to save their own jobs. Probably an unpopular opinion but I believe he's been taken advantage of. "It starts at the top" I know. But at the top you can only act on the information you're given. I credit Irsay for his patience and optimism, it's an approach I would have been incapable of taking if in his shoes over the last few years. I just hope he's fed up and Ballard is the dude I think he is.......
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I'm feeling an upset this sunday.....I feel it in my bones.......and yes, since you asked, I have been drinking.......go Colts!
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Just now, IndyScribe said:
It's not cut short. Holder confirmed it and said that you shouldn't worry about Luck long term. He's definitely not playing this year, which is good for both the Colts and Luck. Why would the Colts trade up for a QB? Luck is fine. They'll either trade down or pick a generational talent at that spot.
I hope you're right. I guess, at this point, I just can't believe he's ok until I see it. His recovery clearly hasn't gone as expected. I just hope the organization doesn't know something we negative that we don't. They've been fairly tight lipped......like I said I'm just starting to worry about the kid.
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I've remained pretty cool during all of this, but I'm honestly starting to worry about Luck. I don't want to think of his career being cut short, but man, I'm begging for some solid info from the colts on his long term prognosis. Sadly, (for us not necessarily for him) I'm fairly certain he's not playing this year. So it looks like I won't know that he's definitely our franchise until draft day. The colts will probably wind up with a top 5 pick, and with San Fran presumably no longer in the qb market, if colts trade up (and we may not have to the way it looks right now) for a qb I guess I'll have my answer.........this season, man.......smh.......brutal.......Get well 12......
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53 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
You keep running into walls at high speed.....
OK..... feel free to spell out the "history of stifling the development of young players...."
Go ahead......
P.S. --- do you even realize that Ballard himself called out Basham as a player who has to start delivering more on the field.... but you think this is another Pagano issue.....
I could be wrong here, but since 2012 don't the colts have the lowest retention of drafted players? Even this year with a new gm, 2nd rounder can't see the field, 3rd is a surprise forum post 8 weeks in, Banner gone, until recently on Mack "we need to find a way to get him involved (?)". 6th year of poor oline, poor D from a "defensive minded" coach....and our punter is still our best player.....blame whoever you want but at some point somebody's gotta coach somebody up.......
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