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  1. 45 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

    Athleticism and coverage ability is my issue. He didn’t have any PBU’s or INTs this year. Can he play in space? I hear conflicting things. Walter Football says he’s not a coverage ILB, but in his positional rankings, Miller says he’s the best LB in coverage. Last thing we need is another 2 down, phone booth LB who can’t cover.

     

    Dane Brugler and Lance Zierlein seem to have similar opinion on him; 1st round athlete, late round instincts. Kyle Crabbs compared him to Philip Wheeler, fwiw.

  2. You gotta be able to get home with 4 to really rattle Brady. Titans should have pretty good pass rush on paper but it hasnt been there this season. But they blitz pretty well. LeBeau's blitzes have been torn apart by Brady for years when he was with Steelers. They do play predominantly man but not convinced they have enough horses there.

     

    Their offense is also pretty disgusting, schematically. Delanie Walker is the only real weapon they have in the passing game. Not gonna beat NE with that.

     

    I think the Falcons beat Eagles but don't see them winning the Saints or Vikings.

  3. 59 minutes ago, Luck 4 president said:

    I believe the trade chart values are the minimum value of each pick. If the top prospect at that pick is a QB it will likely go up. For example the #1 pick in 2012 when we took Luck was worth much much more than last years #1 pick that took Garrett but that pick still would be worth close to 3000 on the chart.

     

    More like average value. But yes, they can go up if there's a QB rich draft. 2012 and 2017 draft trades at the top were so costly because of that. But 2013 were the opposite, it was much cheaper ro move up because there were no top QB prospects and thus lesser demand.

  4. 2 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

    As far as I can tell the 4-3 defense is an old system that's hardly used in the NFL anymore.  It's still used plenty in college but it seems to be fading out in the NFL.  

     

    I don't think there is much likelyhood that we go back to a 4-3.

     

    Half the teams in the playoffs this year use 4-3 as their base.. All 4 of the top 4 scorind defenses use 4-3.

  5. 55 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

    He would run a 4-3 though right? I think that’s what he ran with the Browns and even the Jets.

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    ''It’s a situation where I think people try to compartmentalize too much and just broad stroke it 3-4, 4-3, what are you? And my answer to that question is yes to all of the above,” Pettine told Buffalobills.com. “We are a multiple front, attacking, pressure-style defense. We’re going to play man coverage, we’re going to play zone coverage. What we’re going to do defensively is take advantage of what our players do well.

     

    “I’m not bringing in a defense, this is going to be the Buffalo Bills defense. It’s going to be built around the explosive athletes that are here. Again starting with the front and that’s the solid foundation here and moving to the linebackers and secondary stacked behind them. It made the decision so much easier for me looking at the roster.”

     

     

    http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2013/01/10/pettine-on-defensive-philosophy/

  6. 2 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

    No player at any positions is a guaranteed HOF’er or guaranteed to help win championships. It’s called projection. Can’t knock a guy because he isn’t a guaranteed sure thing, no one is. Barkley in all likelihood will be a very good player though, and that’s enough to warrant taking him at number 3. The fact that he’s the consensus best player in the draft is enough to warrant him being selected there.

     

    Consensus best player? There's two months until combine and four until the draft. A lot can change.

     

    Likely a very good player doesn't do it for me. I want a cornerstone piece for the better part of the decade at #3 and at premium position.RB isn't that.

     

    BPA is relative too. In hindsight, someone might take Le'Veon Bell #1 in 2013 re-draft. For me, he doesn't cract top 15.

  7. 1 hour ago, chad72 said:

    Ballard's history may suggest D for the draft pick but since 2000, teams drafting RBs have had about 4 wins more the next season:

     

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000806850/article/drafting-topfive-rbs-nets-teams-at-least-4-more-wins

     

    We did let go of Edge but Addai played a huge role the very first draft he was drafted. If you have the established QB, you cannot be gun shy going after an RB to elevate your offense. 

     

    Whether it translates to postseason wins, one never knows, would like to see a study on it. Marshall Faulk was traded, Lynch caught on to his second team, and Addai was drafted late in round 1. All of them won SBs. One thing for sure is that those teams did not win SBs till the Ds stepped up. 

     

    If the new HC coming in values RBC more and the volume is not going to be there for a primary RB, I'd go D or OL any day.

     

    How passing and rushing affect winning in the NFL
    NFL post-season correlations between wins and various stats

    What Can Statistics Tell Us About Success In The NFL?

     

    TL;DR: Rushing, either in total yards or in efficiency doesn't matter that much. Passing efficiency, turnover ratio usually decides who wins.

     

    There are lot of others but couldn't find them atm.

     

    Edit. for the link and teams that did improve after drafting RB in the top 5.

     

    00 Ravens: not very familiar with them but they traded up for the RB and had improved from 6-10 to 8-8 the year before. And game was very different back then.

     

    01 Chargers: Also replaced Ryan Leaf with somewhat decent QB in Doug Flutie.

     

    05 Fins: Also had a change in QB and HC. Ronnie Brown had 907 yards, 4.4 YPC.

     

    05 Bucs: Starting QB got injured 04. Still was more of a rushing league back then. Cadillac probably had pretty big impact, though.

     

    06 Saints: Umm... Drew Brees and Sean Payton???

     

    08 Raiders: McFadden rushed for 500 yards and got another 300 via receiving. They improved by a whopping 1 win.

     

    12 Browns: I'm sure they are happy that they drafted T-Rich and improved from 4-12 to 5-11.

     

    16 Cowboys: I guess it also helps when Brandon Weeden and Mark Sanchez won't play for you at QB. Zeke did play major role here though.

     

    17 Jags: Got Bouye and Campbell in FA, fired the worst coach in recent history save for Hue Jackson.

     

    Not really seeing a convincing case drafting RB in the top 5. Too early to say for Zeke and Fournette so excluding them, only 01 Chargers and 00 Ravens don't regret their pick. Completely different game back then.

  8. 31 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

    I am not comparing RB to other positions???? Obviously they take the most punishment and would be more likely to be injured, thats why u need more than 1 good 1....How good is L.A without Gurley? How about Pitt with no Bell? Atlanta without Adams? Dallas with no Zeke? RB can be  difference.....NFL ROSTERS turn over at a high  rate every 5 years you have a completely new team except for a  few guys....Ill take a hall of fame Rb for 7 years if it means championships.....Longterm rebuild philosophies rarely work in NFL....You find lightening in a bottle and try to sustain it....It should always be a win NOW philosophy especially if you have a franchise QB.....Yes Luck needs protection, but an elite RB can protect luck as much as a GUARD...YOU can have the greatest line in the world and it won't mean anything without weapons...

     

    Bell was a 2nd rounder and their offense did fine without Bell when Deangelo Williams was covering him for suspensions/injuries in 2015. Who is Adams? I believed and still believe,firmly,that Dallas would've been and would be better off by taking Ramsey over Zeke. I think a guy like Peters is more valuable in the long run than Gurley.

     

    I'd take HOF RB for 7 years if it means championships too. Barkley isn't guaranteed HOFer and even if he were, it doesn't guarantee championships.

     

    I take great line and medicore weapons over medicore line and great weapons everyday. Gurley didn't do much last year when he had a terrible oline. Bell and Zeke have the best lines in the NFL too.

  9. 46 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

    People always  point out the mid-round backs that hit, but fail to mention the multitude that sucked...1st round RB's are more of a sure thing...other than Richardson most have produced, unless injuries derail them....Barkley is the best  rb prospect since A.P...Only way I see him not being top 5 elite is a catastrophic injury.......He will  likely be best RB in NFL year 1, no holes in his game, and is a dangerous receiver as welll....

     

    Lot of research suggests otherwise, at least relative to other positions.

     

    https://www.stampedeblue.com/2017/12/30/16831878/is-there-a-best-round-to-draft-a-running-back-rushing-success-rate-ypc-explosive

     

    RBs take the most punishment. Everyone in football can be injured but RBs are especially at high risk. Another reason to not use a high pick on one.


    (1st round) Running backs are twice as likely to bust than become Pro Bowlers, while receivers and defensive linemen are in the same range.

  10. 1 hour ago, JColts72 said:

    Penn State runners usually do not do well in the Pros and this is going back decades except for Curt Warner at times.

     

    Cal QBs didn't do well in the pros... before Aaron Rodgers. I think that was even used against him.

     

    I'd bet that none of Penn State RBs had as good traits as Barkley.

     

    So I don't think that's a good reason to not take him.. But there are plenty of others.

     

    3 hours ago, RockThatBlue said:

    Yeah but will any of them be as good as Barkley?

     

    Probably not but I think there's a better chance that one can find relatively better RB later in the draft, compared to OL or pass rusher.

  11. Cable has had signficant say in who the Seahawks draft at OL and during Cable's tenure there, I'm not sure if there's a team that has spent more picks on OL than them, though they consistently draft late. Last year, when they took Pocic, might have been an exception.

     

    Quote from their GM

     

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    "We’re not going to draft a guy [Cable] doesn’t like," Schneider said. "He doesn’t have the final say, but we would never draft somebody he doesn’t think could play.

     

    Just last season (2016) they cut Jahri Evans who they had signed to a one year deal. Went on to have a good year with the Saints. Seahawks were left with probably the worst guard combo in the league.

  12. 24 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

     

    He has all the measurables and some have said he’s a better prospect than Zeke.  If that were all true and Ballard fixed the line in free agency...I think you have to take him.

     

    Still, against the Buckeyes and MSU...

     

    Saw a nice stat on that, of Barkleys 44 total rushing yards against the Buckeyes, 62 were after contact. Yes, you read that correctly.

  13. For anyone who wants to hire Tom Cable as their HC, should look at the performance of his offensive line in this Cardinals game, a must-win for the Seahawks. Though they still won't make it if Falcons win it.

  14. I don't think any adjectives could describe this situation if the Browns (Haslam) bring Hue Jackson back.

     

    I agree with others, Browns had more talent than the 08 Lions. Jackson (and Kizer too) blew couple of games. Like not accepting the penalty in OT loss to the Titans when they where in field goal range :wall:

  15. 56 minutes ago, JMichael557 said:

    Go look at the 1994 draft. The year we took Marshall Faulk. If the colts were making the pick again which player would you take in the top 15 over Faulk if the Colts had made a trade? 

     

    Now do the same in 1999 the year that James was drafted. (Bailey is the only person that would be in the discussion)

     

    Point is that Barkley is suppose to be better than Faulk or James. 

     

    I have watched Cubb's film. He is slow. I know a lot of you all are Notre Dame Fans. Go look at this game against ND. He was not that impressive. He will be a good player but I do not believe he is a game changer to be selected at number 3. 

     

     

     

    It's not 1994 or 1999 anymore...

     

    38 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

     

    There’s no way the Browns would take a G with their first pick, they have to take the best QB on the board.  

     

    Nelson at 4 is a stretch for them too, but it would be a smart pick.  

     

    No it's not considering they have Bitonio and Zeitler who they re-signed and signed, respectively, for huge money. Both of them are studs, relatively young and cap cost to cut/trade them would be huge.

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