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11 minutes ago, Superman said:
They overrate their college grading and struggle with projections, but that's typical. They have some clear wins over the years.
The thing they've been reiterating is that they truly believe in their DL projections. They say those project best from college grading to the NFL. That's where their best hits have been too...
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-pffs-top-50-big-board-for-the-2019-nfl-draft
QuotePFF's Top-50 Big Board for the 2019 NFL Draft
Pro Football Focus’ Top-50 Big Board for the 2019 NFL Draft is live! PFF’s team of draft analysts, led by Steve Palazzolo and Mike Renner, have put together their top-50 prospects now that we’re officially one day into the month of April.
1. QB KYLER MURRAY, OKLAHOMA
Murray was the highest-graded QB in college football this past season. We haven’t seen a quarterback that is as dangerous with both his arm and legs since Russell Wilson.
2. EDGE NICK BOSA, OHIO STATE
Bosa had a higher pass-rush win rate as a true freshman than Brian Burns, Clelin Ferrell and Jachai Polite had this past season.
3. DI QUINNEN WILLIAMS, ALABAMA
Williams earned the highest grade we’ve ever given to a college interior defender (96.0) in his lone season as a starter at Alabama.
4. OT JONAH WILLIAMS, ALABAMA
The Alabama left tackle was the second highest-graded tackle in the nation despite facing stout SEC competition and allowed only 12 pressures.
5. EDGE JOSH ALLEN, KENTUCKY
Allen had far and away the highest pass-rushing grade of any college edge defender this past season at 94.3.
6. CB BYRON MURPHY, WASHINGTON
A 47.7% completion percentage against and 17 forced incompletions made Murphy the highest-graded corner in the country this past year.
7. DI JERRY TILLERY, NOTRE DAME
Tillery tied Quinnen Williams for the highest pass-rushing grade among interior defenders in college football. Tillery’s sack totals don’t tell the whole story as he was a dominant week in and week out.
8. DI JEFFERY SIMMONS, MISSISSIPPI STATE
He tore his ACL but did it so early in the process that he could still play as a rookie. Simmons had a run-defense and pass-rushing grade over 90.0 this past season.
9. CB GREEDY WILLIAMS, LSU
His sophomore campaign wasn’t quite as dominant as his freshman season, but he still only allowed 27 of his 74 targets to be completed.
10. QB DWAYNE HASKINS, OHIO STATE
Haskins certainly improved as the season went on, but his 84.9 passing grade leaves us with some reservations.
11. DI ED OLIVER, HOUSTON
His pass-rushing finally came around with a 90.8 grade this past season, but considering his size and the competition he was facing, he still has a ways to go.
12. LB DEVIN WHITE, LSU
No linebacker in college football had a higher grade in coverage than White’s 91.6 last season. His freakish athleticism suggests it was no fluke.
13. OT ANDRE DILLARD, WASHINGTON STATE
Dillard had the highest pass protection grade of any starting tackle in the country at 94.0 this past season.
14. EDGE BRIAN BURNS, FLORIDA STATE
Burns racked up the most pressures of any Power-5 defender in the country last year with 69.
15. OT JAWAAN TAYLOR, FLORIDA
Taylor came into his own on the right side for Florida this past season and finished with the third-highest run-blocking grade among starting Power-5 tackles.
16. CB DEANDRE BAKER, GEORGIA
Baker has posted back-to-back 90.0-plus graded seasons in coverage. This past year, he allowed all of 10 first downs all season and no touchdowns.
17. WR D.K. METCALF, OLE MISS
Metcalf’s numbers aren’t anything special, but his physical traits and high-end plays are promising.
18. LB DEVIN BUSH, MICHIGAN
Bush can be a weapon as a blitzer in the right scheme. He had top-five pass-rushing grades among off-ball linebackers each of the past two seasons.
19. OT DALTON RISNER, KANSAS STATE
Risner started all four seasons at Kansas State and his career low grade was 87.9 overall.
20. WR A.J. BROWN, OLE MISS
Brown was the definition of a complete receiver for Ole Miss. He forced 17 broken tackles, had 34 explosive plays and only dropped five passes on 90 catchable.
21. TE T.J. HOCKENSON, IOWA
Hockenson had the second-highest receiving grade among tight ends in college football this past year, dropping one pass on 51 catchable targets.
22. OT CODY FORD, OKLAHOMA
In Ford’s lone season as a starter, he allowed all of seven pressures all season long and didn’t allow a sack until the playoffs.
23. WR J.J. ARCEGA-WHITESIDE, STANFORD
Arcega-Whiteside led the entire draft class with 19 contested catches this past season on only 32 contested opportunities.
24. QB WILL GRIER, WEST VIRGINIA
Grier tied Drew Lock for the NCAA lead with 33 big-time throws and has the second-best best passing grade behind Kyler Murray.
25.DI CHRISTIAN WILKINS, CLEMSON
Wilkins was top three in both run-defense and pass-rushing grade among interior players this past season.
26. C ELGTON JENKINS, MISSISSIPPI STATE
The Mississippi State center allowed all of five pressures this past season on 369 pass-blocking snaps.
27. S NASIR ADDERLEY, DELAWARE
Adderly earned a 90.3 overall grade with Delaware a year ago, and his 89.9 2018 coverage grades leads all draft-eligible safeties.
28. S DARNELL SAVAGE, MARYLAND
Savage has back-to-back seasons with grades over 86.0 overall. He’s a missile around the line of scrimmage, laying some impressive hits in the flat.
29. EDGE CHASE WINOVICH, MICHIGAN
Winovich is coming off back to back seasons with grades over 90 overall – the only such qualifying power-5 player in the draft class that can boast that.
30. WR ANDY ISABELLA, MASSACHUSETTS
Isabella was the highest-graded wide receiver in the country, racking up 1,696 yards, including 219 against Georgia.
31. WR MARQUISE BROWN, OKLAHOMA
Brown was a threat to take it to the house every time he touched the ball. He broke 17 tackles on 77 catches and scored 10 touchdowns.
32. DI DEXTER LAWRENCE, CLEMSON
Nose tackles of 340-plus pounds are going the way of the Dodo in the NFL, but Lawrence is a pretty ridiculous athlete for his size. He had the 12th best pass-rushing grade among interior players in college football.
33. CB DAVID LONG, MICHIGAN
Long allowed all of 18 catches on 595 coverage snaps in his entire college career at Michigan
34. OT GREG LITTLE, OLE MISS
Over the past two seasons, Little allowed all of 26 total pressures on 993 pass-blocking snaps.
35. EDGE CLELIN FERRELL, CLEMSON
Ferrell racked up 14 sacks and 14 hits on the season and has ideal build to fit in any scheme.
36. CB AMANI ORUWARIYE, PENN STATE
Oruwariye had the best week of any corner at the Senior Bowl, notching the highest win rate among all defenders in the one-on-ones.
37. QB DREW LOCK, MISSOURI
Lock paired an NCAA leading 33 big-time throws with only six turnover-worthy plays as a senior.
38. S TAYLOR RAPP, WASHINGTON
Rapp was one of the most assignment-sure safeties in the country this past season and missed all of two tackles on 56 attempts.
39. CB JUSTIN LAYNE, MICHIGAN STATE
Layne’s 89.5 coverage grade last year was ninth best among Power-5 corners in the nation. He also dabbled at receiver where he took 36 snaps this past season.
40. EDGE ZACH ALLEN, BOSTON COLLEGE
Allen was one of the best run defenders in college football in 2017 before a 90.3 pass-rushing grade this past season. He was an ironman for BC, playing 107 snaps against Wake Forest this past season.
41. C GARRETT BRADBURY, NC STATE
Bradbury was a top-five graded center each of the past two seasons and the highest-graded Power-5 center in this draft class both years as well.
42. WR HAKEEM BUTLER, IOWA STATE
Butler’s size (6-foot-5, 227 pounds) might suggest a possession receiver, but he had more receptions 20-plus yards downfield (19) than anyone in the draft class.
43. TE NOAH FANT, IOWA
Fant is the most freakishly athletic tight end in this draft class, but his inconsistent hands are still a concern. He’s dropped 11 passes on 80 catchable the past two seasons.
44. S AMANI HOOKER, IOWA
Hooker’s 91.1 coverage grade last season was the second-highest of any defensive back in the country.
45. CB JULIAN LOVE, NOTRE DAME
Love’s 21 forced incompletions were the sixth-most in college football last season and his 14 coverage stops ranked 10th.
46. EDGE MONTEZ SWEAT, MISSISSIPPI STATE
Sweat’s 19.1% pressure percentage was top 10 among edge defenders in the draft class and the third highest in the SEC last season.
47. DI KHALEN SAUNDERS, WESTERN ILLINOIS
Saunders moves like an edge and even played there at times for Western Illinois. He went to the Senior Bowl and had the second-highest win rate among interior players in the one-on-ones.
48. DI RASHAN GARY, MICHIGAN
Gary’s production has yet to catch up to his freakish athleticism. He earned a 68.3 pass-rushing grade this past season.
49. S CHAUNCEY GARDNER-JOHNSON, FLORIDA
Gardner-Johnson is perfect for the slot/safety hybrid role in today’s NFL. He led all secondary players with 22 coverage stops this past season.
50. OT MAX SCHARPING, NORTHERN ILLINOIS
The four-year starter had pass protection grades above 87.0 every season of his career.
Notables:
-Kyler Murray ahead of the pass-rushers. They seem to really believe in him
-Jonah Williams at no. 4
-Jerry Tillery at no. 7... the 2nd best interior lineman.
-Dalton Risner in the top 20
-JJ Arcega-Whiteside at 23. They really like him
-Darnell Savage in top 30!!!
-David Long from Michigan no. 33!! This is the highest I've seen him.
-Montez Sweat ranked in the 40s... this is wild. I have no idea why.
-Rashan Gary ranked 48th...
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Colts have shown a lot of interest in Memphis LB Curtis Akins, according to the player himself:
Quote“The Indianapolis Colts have shown me a lot of interest,” Akins said after working with their coaches during much of Wednesday’s drills. “Their linebackers’ coach said I’d be a great fit in their room and that they brought four of their people down to come and watch me.”
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I like Lodge too... I thought he had some spectacular catches in college and he ran the most expansive route tree from all of Ole Miss' receivers(not that this means much because AJ Brown was in the slot a ton and Metcalf ran 3 routes his whole career. I'm shocked how much his stock has dropped... IMO he's better than 5th or 6th round receiver.
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1 hour ago, Defjamz26 said:
Potential first rounder? Yeah hard pass. I know Castonzo is a FA in 2020 but we shouldn’t take a developmental LT that early. I also don’t think Kaleb is going that high. He’s the 5th or 6th best OT on most boards.
1 hour ago, Boiler_Colt said:I don't think this guy is a LT. From all that I've heard he's a RT that may have to play guard in the NFL. I like him as a prospect but I just don't see how he fits with the Colts, especially if you have to take him early.
Don't get stuck on the 1st rounder thing, guys. It might not be the 1st rounder... but lets say he falls to 59 or 90. If this happens I would almost expect us to take him.
Boiler_Colt, you are right about him not having experience at LT, but Ballard has stated multiple times that he wants the two lines to be 2-deep at every position. Maybe they think he has the versatility to play both guard and RT... this is a huge plus and I wouldn't rule him out just because he doesn't fit the perceived LT need going forward. Maybe Ballard extends Castonzo and McGary(or Little or Dillard or whoever OLineman we might select) becomes part of the desired depth of the line. Injuries happen all the time. If Ballard truly believes in what he preaches(and I have no reason not to believe that he does). I see no reason why he wouldn't make such a pick sometime on day 2.
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9 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:
But will he be there by pick #26?
There will be some head explosions on here if they pick an OT with the first pick lol
I don't think the difference should be too big whether you draft him with 26 or 34. It's more of an optics thing + an additional year and one might argue, if you are drafting an OT who is going to sit a year, it's better to have him locked for 5 years rather than for 4.
13 minutes ago, Dr. T said:The only problem with this is that #58 (McGary) is playing RT and we need an LT to eventually replace AC. My question is who is #72? He looks pretty good too.
I'm not sure if this is Washington practice tape(very possible), but if it is... the guy #72 is Trey Adams who was considered a 1st round LT prospect before he suffered yet another serious injury(I'm not sure if it was back or knee injury or something.. don't quote me on that), but he's returning to Washington after receiving a medical redshirt year for last season.
4 minutes ago, DougDew said:I'm sure the Colts are looking at all options for pick 26. If a higher valued guy drops, and their real targets for the pick are also gone, I can see Ballard picking any position outside of QB who is clearly BPA.
Yeah... I didn't mean to say we have to draft him at 26, but IMO if he drops a bit(or if we really have him ranked high) I wouldn't be shocked if we draft him...
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I posted this information in the meetings/interest thread but I thought the info is piling up way too much to ignore the obvious connections. The Colts are already reported to have scheduled a private meeting/workout with McGary:
Also... It seems like Howard Mudd tutored Kaleb McGary during the pre-draft process before he took the Colts assistant coach job. It's also of note that the new Colts OLine coach Chris Strausser was McGary's OLine coach during his freshman and sophomore years in 2015 and 2016:
Here's Mudd at an OLine clinic talking about a pass-protection technique he teaches and he uses McGary as an example and says: "So you pro guys[this is probably NFL Oline coaches and scouts he's talking to] pay attention to this guy(McGary). He's pretty good.":
Take it for whatever it's worth. IMO there is a realistic change we pursue OT in the draft and IMO McGary is a very realistic target.
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More OLine connections:
Mudd tutored OT Kaleb McGary from Washington in the pre-draft process before taking the assistant position with the Colts.
Also... Our new OLine coach Chris Strausser was McGary's OLine coach at Washington in 2015 and 2016(freshman and sophomore years).
Here's Mudd at an OLine clinic talking about a pass-protection technique he teaches and he uses McGary as an example and says: "So you pro guys[this is probably NFL Oline coaches and scouts he's talking to] pay attention to this guy(McGary). He's pretty good.":
This might deserve a thread of its own. I am going to make one.
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1 minute ago, Chloe6124 said:
Isn’t that the guy everyone said wouldn’t fall far enough on the waiver wire to the colts.
I personally thought he wasn't particularly good and I thought there is a reason why a team with tons of capspace and zero players at the position, decided to save 2M and release him instead of keeping him.
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WOW... if true...
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2 minutes ago, Superman said:
I don't know. Maybe if Gary or Burns are dropping... I haven't watched either, besides just some quick viewings, but they are consensus top 20 guys at a premium position. Seems like Sweat has moved ahead of both of them.
Yah... Are you worried about Gary's lack of production?
Would you give up one of the seconds to move there to get him or Burns(BTW it seems like Ballard is doing a TON of work on Burns. There are reports that we've already had multiple 2-3 hour meetings and conversations with him).
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9 minutes ago, Superman said:
Depends. I'm not sure how I feel about Dillard vs Risner and Little. Also not sure how I feel about Tillery, seems like he's the safest DL still on the board. Dillard seems reasonable. Value at #34 and #59 for safeties and receivers is a factor.
chad72 called a trade back a cop out, but I think that has to be on the table.
Yeah. I love Tillery and I would draft him without much hesitation there, but if Ballard doesn't... it looks like the trade down option might be the best one...
Or if we expect to not have anyone we love there... maybe a trade up? Who in this draft would you trade up for and what's the absolute maximum that you would give up to get them... lets say somewhere in the teens? (we are talking about reasonable options, not Quinnen or Bosa or Josh Allen who are all almost certainly going top 5)
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5 minutes ago, Superman said:
I can't say because I've only watched him a little bit, but I didn't really find him impressive. He has some traits on film, but now with his bad workouts I wonder if those traits are just flashes or due to competition or what. There are also whispers about his character. And he might not be a great scheme fit, seems more like an OLB, struggles against the run, and isn't a good tackler.
his tests are so poor because he gained a ton of weight and it wasn't good weight. You can see it on pictures, his body looks flabby and out of shape rather than bulked up in a professional manner(for example like Brian Burns did)... he doesn't seem to "get it", his interviews have reportedly been horrific too, not just the workout and the pro-day. His media availability was bad too... he's the guy that said "I don't watch film of myself, why would I?" or something of that sort. Pretty much all the mumbles before the combine about his questionable football 'character' seem to have turned right. It's a shame. He had some nice flashes in college.
So let me ask you... Lets say you get those specific DL prospects + Andrew Dillard + all the safeties + all the WRs without Metcalf... who are you taking there, but none of the CBs? I would seriously be tempted to take Dillard...
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1 minute ago, chad72 said:
Yeah, I traded up with the 49ers hoping for this guy to possibly double down on the safety position. Oh well!!!
Apologies, but I warned you... should have made me the offer... I might have taken it.
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2 minutes ago, Superman said:
Good point. By next week, everyone should be updated.
I never felt Polite was a first rounder, so seeing him at #25 is still kind of a head-scratcher.
He used to be in the teens in the previous edition of the composite board(before the combine)... so he's fallen some... and IMO he will keep falling. Would you draft him anywhere on day 2? Or would he be a "not even with a 10 foot pole" type of prospect for you?
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With the 103d pick of the 2019 Gavin Mock Draft the Arizona Cardinals select Darnell Savage, S, Maryland
Can't believe he's still here. I'm starting to hear some round 1 buzz on him, which is admittedly crazy but... I will take him in the 4th easy.
@pacolts56 and San Francisco are on the clock.
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1 minute ago, Superman said:
When's the last time they updated that? I wonder if Polite is still viewed as a top 50 player, they have him at #25.
Yesterday, but keep in mind not all the boards they use are updated. Polite is going to be falling out of R1 IMO.
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19 minutes ago, Superman said:
That's why I asked why you disagree with me. I think the DL class is better than the WR class, for sure. But I think the best DL are going in the top 20, and I think only 2 receivers are likely to go that high. So when we're on the clock at #26, the DL that are available aren't that exciting to me.
I like to take in big boards at this time. I like mocks, but their value is limited because people have competing priorities when doing mocks, and I think they're picks wind up being influenced by at lot of nonsense. But the big boards are just meant to be a ranking of prospects, not tied to teams.
So it seems like consensus suggests the best DL available at #26 will be maybe Clelin Ferrell and Christian Wilkins (but maybe not), Dexter Lawrence, Jerry Tillery, Jeffrey Simmons, Jaylon Ferguson, Dre'Mont Jones, Jachai Polite, Zach Allen, Charles Omenihu... I think we can assume Simmons and Ferguson aren't on the Colts board, especially in the first. I think Ferrell and Wilkins are both gone, whether I like them or not.
Out of them all, only Tillery seems like a good pick, and I'm not necessarily over the moon about him at this point. Lawrence doesn't move me, and I think the rest are second rounders, or later. I might have left someone out, but I don't think so...
On the other hand, I like most of the receivers that are most likely available in the second and third round. And I think there will be a ton of them still there, because most likely only three receivers go in the first round (and I could be wrong about that, but that seems to be consensus). I think we could potentially get someone like Parris Campbell or Riley Ridley even at the end of the third. To me, that's value.
So I think the DL with first round value are going to be gone by #26, and I'm not super excited about any of the rest of them.
Fanspeak have published the latest composite board on their Draft simulator. This is a draft board that takes into account all draft boards published on their site and ranks the players taking into account all of those boards... here's the board if you want to see what the general consensus seems to be:
https://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/preview.php?board_id=19
DL players that are going to be there in our range(+/- 2 spots): Jerry Tillery, Jeffery Simmons, Jachai Polite, Dexter Lawrence, Dremont Jones...
WRs that are going to be there in our range: everyone except for DK Metcalf
Some interesting prospects that might be there from other positions: OT Andrew Dillard , all safeties, MAYBE... BIG MAYBE... Devin Bush... the CBs are likely to be gone(Murphy, Baker, Greedy)...
In general... if the draft goes without much surprises it seems like we will have to choose between Jerry Tillery/Jeffery Simmons, a WR or a safety...
I know it's not sexy but that's probably the most likely outcome here... to me it seems like all it takes for us to take a safety or a WR is for Ballard to not be sold on Tillery and to not want to take injured, red flagged Simmons... It's not that far fetched.
Now on draft night there always are surprises so maybe one or two of the other players will drop to us, but who knows...
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I am gonna take on the Browns.
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2 minutes ago, Four2itus said:
B..B..but I thought Anthony was an average tackle?
2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:Left tackle? LEFT TACKLE?!? That’s impossible! Everyone knows that’s where Anthony Costanzo plays and everyone knows that he SUCKS! He hasn’t even been to a Pro Bowl!!
Thus can’t be true! This has to be false! Oh... it’s PFF and they suck!
2 minutes ago, chad72 said:That left side of the line, I am sure AC is an overrated bum!!!
That whole left side of the line is spectacular, especially in run blocking. But I have to point out that this is Marlon Mack's grade specifically. It's his grading given what his line provided for him. In a way you can say Mack is better than other backs in using good blocking, not necessarily that the blocking itself gave him this high of a grade. I don't know if I make sense...
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He had visit with the Colts earlier...
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This is hilarious! Another reason why we should be happy we didn't sign Le'Veon...
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Howard Mudd tutored Washington OT Kaleb McGary, new Colts OLine coach Chris Strausser was his OLine coach in college.
in NFL Draft, Scouting, and Free Agent Talk
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McGary tested extremely well in the combine even for a tackle. Better than Sharping in every single test except for the bench press...
Look at his web:
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kaleb-mcgary
The problem is his arms are kind of short... that didn't stop them from putting Braden Smith at tackle, though... so... I don't know.