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Zurlon Tipton, bench Richardson and play Tipton, as long as Richardson plays were doomed.
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Now you really lost me, I was going to give you that Trent is no longer the back of old but to say he is not a good pass blocker is just straight up a stupid remark. Obviously with that remark in bold you do not watch any games at all and lost all creditability with your words.
He's average at best, nothing special, nowhere near as good as Bradshaw and no better than Boom. Boom was actually better in pass protection yesterday. We don't need him for pass protection because he's no better than Boom at it. All I can tell you is watch the tape it speaks for itself, as far as credibility, not having credibility with you is a good thing, You didn't even see the game yesterday, so what do you know about it. How many games have you seen this year? How many have you went back and watched ? You being on here for weeks and weeks arguing how good Richardson is, tells everything about your football knowledge. ZERO
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The only time a back should throw a chip block is when the play is designed for him to chip and go out for a pass. Trent (chipper) Richardson does this on half of the plays when he is asked to stay back in max protection. It is called a chip block because it is not suppose to stop the rusher, just chip him and slow him down for a split second. The fact that Richardson is called "very good" in pass protection is as big a joke as his running ability. It is as if he is afraid to square up and take the rusher head on. Trent Richardson is not good in pass protection. The biggest part of pass protection is having the heart and will to stand in there and take it head on, he has neither, that's why in about half of these situations he takes the easy way out and just throws his shoulder in there and bounces off. Watch the tape Trent Richardson is not good in pass protection.
The sad thing is Richardson is our starting RB and has held this team back all season. the truth is there is no situation where Richardson should be on the field. He is not very good at anything and I can not understand why the coaching staff continues to let him play. I couldn't understand the Satele situation last year and here we are doing it again. Just like with Satele it is a case of addition by subtraction, this team would be better if Richardson never stepped on the field.
Our coaching staffs inability to move on when they have made a mistake will keep us from going where we want to go. Today Pagano say she doesn't have a problem with the way Richardson is playing, now I know this is coach speak but, the sad thing is if he lets Richardson play another down, then he must believe what he's saying and that I have a problem with. The best teams quickly realize when they have made mistakes and take action to correct it, they don't try to save face, they do what's best for the team. Until our staff can make these type of decisions I don't see this team winning a Super Bowl and even though I think Pagano is a great guy, I don't see him taking this team to the top. -
I'm not sure how you can watch every play of every game and come away with the impression that Richardson isn't a good pass protector.
Also, I'm no Trent lover. Save that for someone else.
Because I have watched every play of every game and evidently you have not, because there is no way you could call him good at pass protection if you had.
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Herron and Tipton have earned the right to start over Trent, because anyone that has played as poorly as Trent should be benched. It's not like anybody should have to earn the right to start over Trent, Trent has not earned the right to start, it was given to him and he hasn't done anything to keep it. On any other team but the colts, he would be benched or cut. There is no way Tipton could produce less than Trent.
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So what's the problem? You want Boom to get more touches, right? Didn't that happen? If he wants even more touches, he has to stop fumbling the football.
Also, Richardson is still, by far, the better pass protector. So he's still going to get reps, even if he doesn't get carriequote]
Where did this myth start that Richardson is so good at pass protection. Watch the tape, Boom was better in pass protection than Trent was Sunday. Many times when Trent needs to square up and take on a rusher, he just uses his shoulder and throws a chip block and the rusher just continues his pursuit of Luck as if nothing happened. Chip blocks are for when you are setting up a pass in the flats. He nearly got Luck killed in our own end zone yesterday throwing a damn chip block and the rusher creamed Luck. There are a couple more instances yesterday, where if Trent would square up and block instead of the chip block, Luck wouldn't have to run for his life. I have watched every play of every game and Trent Richardson is not good in pass protection.
I know this was started by the Trent lovers but, it's just not true, go back and watch the tape. Bradshaw was very good in pass protection squares up and takes the rusher head on. Boom was very good Sunday, same as Bradshaw squares up and takes the rusher head on. There are just to many times, through out the season when Trent just chips, instead of taking the rusher head on. All I can say is go back and watch the tape, if you watch the tape there is no way you can call him good in pass protection. It is way past time for this guy to be benched, he is contributing nothing to this team. I know the Trent lovers will say he's good in the passing game, and he has had a handful of catches where he has gotten good yardage , but nothing special that any of our other backs can't do. He is a liability plain and simple, adds nothing to the team. We have been winning in spite of Trent. Pagano's refusal to bench Trent is hurting our team and it will come back to bite us.
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Richardson, Good or Bad, the Colts will still need him to contribute in some way for the rest of
eRichardson, Good or Bad, the Colts will still need him to contribute in some way for the rest of the season.
Benching him would be the best contribution he has made all season.
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I kept hoping to see him get some touches at the end of the game yesterday but sadly saw much T-Rich
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Yeah I was hoping the same thing, with such a big lead it would have been the perfect time, they really had nothing to lose at that point, I think they missed a good opportunity.
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Trying to defend or justify Trent's playing time at this point is just not valid. The only people (other than a few on this board) that can't see it, is the coaching staff. This trying to save face is hurting this team, how can the players trust the coaching staff, if they continue to give Trent carries. Now is the time to tighten down the hatch, to pull this team together, establish a running game and go into the playoffs with everyone on the same page and really playing as a unified team.
The Colts have four regular season games remaining, and now is the time to give Zurlon Tipton a chance to see what he can do. The staff was really reluctant to give Herron carries, injuries forced their hand and it has worked out well. Herron is so much better than Richardson, and really I don't see how Tipton or anyone else, could not give you more production than Richardson.
Tipton is a big powerful back 231 lbs, he is a lot like Herron in that he is a very decisive runner, who hits the hole fast and hard and keeps his legs churning. He has a very good skip move where if the hole is not there he will skip laterally make one cut and burst into the hole. Richardson gives the Colts none of this ability, I'm not on here trying to bash Richardson, I have made my position on Richardson clear. He is hurting this team.
This is a chance for the coaching staff to show the team that they can be trusted to do what is best for the team. The players know what Richardson can and can't do, they see it everyday and I'm sure it is no surprise to the players that Herron is having so much success. Herron has got to clean up the fumbles, but he is clearly superior to Richardson and the players have known it the whole time, and I believe if given a chance, Tipton will prove to be also, as a player it would be very hard to trust this coaching staff if they continue to give Richardson carries, and it could go along way to giving the players confidence in the coaching staff if they were willing to give Tipton a chance. They really have nothing to lose, if Tipton comes in and gives the team a spark the way Herron has, this would give the Colts a strong rushing attack at the time you need it most. You just can't justify Richardson getting any carries at this point. He has been given way more than an ample opportunity to show what he can do, if Tipton doesn't bring anything to the table, you can always go back to Richardson, but now is the opportunity for the staff to gain some trust from the team, not injuries forcing their hand, a legitimate chance to show the team that they are willing to try whatever it takes gives this team the best chance to be successful down the stretch.
Here's to hoping the staff makes this change and it unifies the team and establishes a legitimate rushing attack at the time we need it the most. The offense is so much more explosive when the threat of a rushing attack is present, that was evident Sunday. With the added weapon of a legitimate rushing attack and if the defense can tighten things up and play the way they are capable (yes it's a big if) we could really have a shot, but if neither of these two things happen, or just one of them, it will be a short run in the playoffs. There are four regular season games left and now is the time to work on establishing the run and playing good defense, this is a four game opportunity to right the ship and get to the point that we are playing our best football and become a complete team. "go colts"
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Now is the time to give Tipton a chance to see what he can do. Going into December and getting ready for the playoffs, it's time to establish a running game, if Heron and Tipton can do that it would be huge going into the playoffs. Trying to save face on the Richardson trade is hurting the team, we need to establish a running game and we need to do it now. Yesterday was a good example of how much better our passing game can be (because of play-action) when we present the threat of a running game.
The Redskins had to respect the running game when Herron was in the game, and it made our passing game more explosive, this will be key in the playoffs. I believe Tipton can add to this, he just needs to be given a chance, just like Herron did. Tipton is a very decisive runner, he hits the hole quick and hard and keeps his legs churning, he just needs to be given a chance to play, just like Herron.
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Well I think in all fairness we have to acknowledge that he had 4 games this year where he was either over 4ypc or way over 4ypc and well on his way to 100 yards on all 3 of those games and also have to ackowledge that it seems coaching staff is more concerned with keeping our Backs as fresh as possible as opposed to letting the hot Back a the time continue to carry the load in a game while he is in a good rhythm
He's way to inconsistent to be well on his way to 100 yards, at no point did I feel like he could have gotten 100 yds. Having only four games out of eleven of over 4 yards per carry, shows just how low the bar has been set for this guy, Four games out of eleven is not a good thing, it's pathetic, no back or team, except the Trent lovers would consider this a positive. This would get you benched or cut on any other team.
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I toss in Bla Bla Bla to people who are stubborn and only see it their way.
Is Trent a great back, no
Is Trent the best back the Colts have, at this moment yes
Can Trent get better, yes
Is it all Trent's fault, no
But most Trent bashers label him as a bust and that's far afrom the truth.
Is Trent a great back, NO, not even average
Is Trent the best the Colts have at this moment, NO, the worst back we have
Can Trent get better, I doubt it, he's had three years, backs don't suddenly get better after three years
Is it all Trent's fault, NO, he can't help he has NO vision, NO burst, NO speed, and NO ability to move laterally and that he's just not a good football player and a huge BUST.
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I know that it's one in a million to play professional sports and to sit on your rear end behind a computer screen and complain about a player is ludicrous.
What do you think this forum is for, it's to talk about the Colts, good and bad. Do you always throw in the bla bla bla when you're incapable of making a valid point. Try a forum with a subject you know something about, a lot of your post make no sense at all.
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Trent Richardson's struggles have nothing to do with his talent. He was a successful running back at Alabama and had some success at Cleveland because of the o-line he had with those two teams were decent. The Colts o-line can pass block but struggle at run blocking thus why Bradshaw and now Herron do not tear up the league.
Bradshaw, Herron and Brown last season, have all out performed Trent behind the same line Trent runs behind, and I have no doubt that Tipton would too. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this. Trent is just not good, he's not even average.
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Do the analysis genius, over the past 20 years, out of X 1st round players chosen, after 5 years how many of those picks are valuable contributors? Answer = minority! If you can prove otherwise, take your best shot!
That's total nonsense, and it would take very little, to be a more valuable contributor than Trent,, by the way you don't have to open the thread. I don't think anyone is buying the rubbish anyway.
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Why do people with reasonable intelligence compare Manziel's performance to Richardson's and infer that the Colts lost nothing by dealing that pick ? There is zero chance the Cots use it on Manziel , thus you would have to have access to their draft board and compare TR to the player they would have taken in that spot. Just looking at some of the players that fell later in the 1st round ...
Deonne Buchannon 1.27 is a starting s for AZ.
Verrett and Dennard 1.24 and 1.25 are two very good rookie CB's
Didn't do guys like K Benjamen as I don't believe we go R in round 1. But don't forget we could have terraced up a bit as there were SIX (6) O linemen safeties and LB's taken between picks 15 and 22.
So I think one would be better served to try to figure what theColts would have had at 1.22 instead of plugging in a flyer a team took on a rookie QB
Tell it brother
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Interesting article at NFL.com about how few "elite" 1st round picks have amounted to anything ... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000434871/article/rgiiis-benching-highlights-failures-of-2012-draft-class
In particular, from the 2012 & 2013 draft years.
I said it much earlier in the thread, but I will say it again ... it is rather factual that a LOT of 1st round picks never amount to much. So far, the player selected with the pick the Colts gave up hasn't produced a thing. Richardson, despite how much most people seem to loathe him, is at least contributing.
I think almost everybody can agree that it was a mistake to give up the 1st rounder for Richardson, despite the fact that he is out performing the player that pick was used for, but most people's hatred of Richardson is because of the (over valued) price paid to acquire him. People need to get over the price paid and accept Richardson for what he apparently is, which is a (once promising) role player.
I said it before, as long as he can contribute to the cause, that's all that matters. To continue to bemoan the price paid, which as it turns out, as verified in the NFL.com article I cite, is really not all that much after all, well, it's just unproductive, if not now senseless.
This thread is really a dead horse being beaten to death. I propose that it is time for this thread to be un-pinned, so it can finally fade away. Colts use RB by committee and Richardson is simply one of those bodies. Now move along. :
Interesting article at NFL.com about how few "elite" 1st round picks have amounted to anything ... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000434871/article/rgiiis-benching-highlights-failures-of-2012-draft-class
In particular, from the 2012 & 2013 draft years.
I said it much earlier in the thread, but I will say it again ... it is rather factual that a LOT of 1st round picks never amount to much. So far, the player selected with the pick the Colts gave up hasn't produced a thing. Richardson, despite how much most people seem to loathe him, is at least contributing.
I think almost everybody can agree that it was a mistake to give up the 1st rounder for Richardson, despite the fact that he is out performing the player that pick was used for, but most people's hatred of Richardson is because of the (over valued) price paid to acquire him. People need to get over the price paid and accept Richardson for what he apparently is, which is a (once promising) role player.
I said it before, as long as he can contribute to the cause, that's all that matters. To continue to bemoan the price paid, which as it turns out, as verified in the NFL.com article I cite, is really not all that much after all, well, it's just unproductive, if not now senseless.
This thread is really a dead horse being beaten to death. I propose that it is time for this thread to be un-pinned, so it can finally fade away. Colts use RB by committee and Richardson is simply one of those bodies. Now move along. :-)
Nobody is saying it's about what was given up for him. What was given up for him is the only reason he's getting a chance to play at all. He's production sucks, if he was an undrafted free agent. The only reason he is contributing the measly amount that he is contributing is because he has been allowed to play over Herron or Tipton, who are more talented, but have been riding the bench because a number one pick was not given up to give them a chance. Herron will prove that he is much better than Trent, and if Tipton gets his chance, he will prove it too, it's really wouldn't be hard to top Trent's production.
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As long as your playing in the NFL on Sundays your not a bust..
Really, just don't know much about football do you. That philosophy will have you getting the number one pick every year.
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He has 5 reg season games left to show life. If he doesn't show he can provide legitimate value at the spot, he needs to go and make room for a new FA signing or draft choice. I think enough is enough. Keeping him on payroll just because you made a mistake is making two mistakes. Keep in mind the Colts had Forsett and let him go. Imagine him on our team right about now.
He has proved he is not the back of the future.
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Please enlighten us all with the special knowledge that you have that makes you disagree.
You know why I still say what I said before the season started ? Because I was right, Trent sucks. Sucked last season, sucks this season. You don't have any viable excuses so you try and act like you have some great knowledge or insight that I will never understand. Please share with the group. I'm sure Trent himself would love a new reason to excuse him from being a bust once again.
Tell it brother, Trent sucks, the only reason he is part of a "running back by committee" or playing at all, is because of what was given up to get him, if any other back on this team was playing at the level that Trent's playing at, they would be benched or cut. Brown, Bradshaw, and now Herron (and Tipton would too) have out performed Trent. He is slow, no burst, no vision and absolutely no ability to move laterally. He should now be the #3 back on this team, if Tipton ever gets his chance he too will out perform Trent, with the rumor of Boom possible starting again this week, maybe, just maybe, the coaching staff is tired of trying to save face and are going to do what's best for this team.
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All I can say is, all your claims about Richardson being the worst you've ever seen just means you obviously have not seen much football at any level.
I said he was the worst at moving laterally that I have ever seen, and I stand by that, the absolute worst. I have seen lots of football on many levels. The fact that you try to defend Trent's play, tells me , that even if you have seen a lot of football you still have no understanding of football.
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I disagree about about him not being a very instinctual runner... I think he is too instinctual, I think he needs to be more disciplined. He needs to hit the hole (even if there is someone in it) and not look to make a move until he gets to the LOS or beyond.
On the 10-15 yard runs. Bradshaw had 12 runs of 10 yards or more... TRich has 8. Yes Bradshaw did it on fewer carries but it's not like TRich has been unable to do it and with more opportunities to be on the field when the D is not heavily focused on him that number may go up.
"to instinctual" now that's funny. The only thing Trent's to of, is to slow or to fat. No defense is focusing on Trent, he presents no threat to any defense. Bradshaw was so superior to Trent in every phase of the game, hands down.Trent is better than last year, but that's not saying much the guy is still terrible, he's not even average. I have never seen a back move laterally, as poorly as Trent does. He has to come to a complete stop in order to move laterally, absolutely the worst I ever seen. He has no vision, no burst and he's slow. We are stuck with this guy for the rest of the season, but there is no way the Colts are counting on this guy, to be the back moving forward after this season.
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To be honest, Trent Richardson has the same strengths that Bradshaw has on 3rd down, as a pass catching RB that pass protects well and to an extent, he keeps Luck upright a little better than Bradshaw does.
So, if those duties are Trent's again, we will see an uptick in his production naturally. It was just that on the first 2 downs, Bradshaw did his job so well that he got the 3rd down duties as well eating into Trent's strengths and production, IMO.
However, giving up a 1st round pick for Trent is another story, a story that will go down in infamy. At least right now, the saving grace for Grigs is that the Browns got Johnny Manziel with that pick
.Bradshaw is much better at pass protection than Trent, Trent is very average in pass protection. The Trent lovers are trying to make him out to be a great at pass protection, but he's not, look at the tape.
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Bradshaw going down is good for Trent. Still need to fix our Oline.
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Once again you make absolutely no sense, is there a code or something to unlock whatever it is your trying to say? Try actually watching and forming your own opinion, instead of being a follower and repeating what you've heard someone else post.