Bad Morty
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Properly gauged would be a blatant lie if this was done by squeezing the footballs. I think you must be catching something from Virdulant.
The verb "to gauge" literally means "to estimate".
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This entire idea that the balls magically deflated is similar to the magic loogey theory from Seinfeld.
Lol...you think science is magic...that explains a lot.
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Really hard to figure out the league's motivation for lying when you have a serrate entity doing the investigation. Don't you think it would come out that they lied about that ? Your lucky Virdulant is all over this thread .. you might skate by with theory without too many people calling out how utterly ridiculous it would be for the NFL to say they tested with a gauge and intact they did it by squeezing the balls.
Do you not find the statement "The balls were properly gauged" with no description of what exactly that means to be a very different statement than "Walt placed a gauge in every ball and noted the PSI level of each ball"? I do. Why is the league being obtuse about this? They obviously are willing to leak reports that incriminate the Patriots, so the vague comments can't have anything to do with a desire to not interfere with the game...that ship sailed. They seem to want people to know that they think the Patriots cheated, yet they won't, when pressed, offer anything substantive to back up that claim....and it's looking more and more like the reason for that is that they CAN'T offer anything definitive.
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Absolutely. This whole deflate gate has absolutely no impact on spygate and the first 3 super bowls. If you win this one, you know what the discussion will be from the "haterzzz." 3 tainted, one legitimate. Being found innocent on deflate gate doesn't take back the spygate decision.
Which begs the question "who really cares what uninformed whiny fans of other teams think?"
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And I'll bet the Pats had no plans on using that formation at all in this game, but nice to see Pete is spending time prepping for it.
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If Tom Brady is telling the Ravens to read the rule book but were screwing up their own eligibility substitutions you don't think BB didn't know that? He would take the 15 yard penalty if called but would continue to skirt the rules and run these plays until the refs or other coach noticed. This time it actually cost the Ravens 15 yards, how ridiculous is that?
You know how smart/devious BB is, he 100% knew this substitution was illegal but continued to run it knowing the refs weren't able to adjust on the fly and call it. The same way they didn't call it vs. Baltimore the week before.
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No, I'm claiming the league requires it (pressure gauge, not just a gauge and posted proof), and the VP of officiating says the protocol was followed (posted proof the league believes that). I personally am not saying anything! If you disagree, you are saying the NFL is lying.
It's hard to accept the possibility that the NFL lied. I mean, they were 100% straightforward with us about the fact that nobody in the league office had ever seen the Ray Rice tapes, so their track record is clean.
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No the issue is-
Pats balls tested were out of compliance
Colts balls tested were within compliance
Why?
obviously, the weather conditions. That can't be ruled out now. Scientists say it's likely, and the argument that the Colts balls didn't change is out the window now with no logged results.
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That's still one ball used on a would be touchdown drive severely underinflated, I get your math saying since there was no log taken at first that Colts could have started at maximum and Patriots at minimum, meaning Colt balls could drop a full psi and still be at the minimum, but NE dropped 1 psi on 10 balls and 2 on 1 ball and none on another. My question would then be since there are bad weather and cold weather games played every year, how has this never been an issue before? Also, the weather wasn't that bad, just wet. Balls don't deflate that quickly in that situation despite the science projects BB convinced you he did instead of prepping for the game last week.
And "coincidentally", that was the ball that the Colts had possession of for the half.
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True, but that wasn't the report. The report was 11 out of 12 Patriots balls were up to 2 psi (later heard unsubstantiated reports revising that "closer to 1") below the minimum, while none of the Colts balls were below the minimum psi required. The minimum is allowed 12.5 psi. The maximum is 13.5 psi. So how much they deflated would be determined whether they were initially at 12.5, 13, or 13.5 psi. But that doesn't matter. It is how much under minimum allowed that is the issue. Now was it intentional tampering, or caused by other non tampering events and circumstances? That is what Ted Wells team is looking into.
So to this, I'd say first of all that nobody is sticking with the "2lbs below" report and 1lb seems to now be the consensus. The reason the lack of logged results is important is that we can no longer say anything definitive about the Colts balls other than that they were in spec pre-game and at the half. If they were inflated on the high end pre-game, those balls could have dropped a pound and still been in spec, whereas that same 1lb drop for the Pats balls puts them under. We've got many many scientists now saying that a 1lb pressure drop in those conditions for balls that were inflated indoors is completely probable and likely. The lack of recorded measurements no longer allows doubters to say "if the elements reduced the pressure, then how come the Colts balls didn't deflate?"..the answer is, they might have.
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So Mortensen is an expert now? I have a question for you. What name were under before Bad Morty? 76 post in the last few days. Were you kicked out of this forum under another name? Or did you just make up this name to come into the Colts forum to stir up trouble? It's pretty obvious. But it don't matter to me because you are off to the ignore list right along with all the other Patriot trolls.
Oh Noes!! Not the ignore list!! :
...and for the record, I was this same name on the Indy Star forum years ago. I just stopped posting because your teams stopped being competitive. -
It's way beyond comical now...
It started out that way...this has been a joke from the beginning. Here's what the lack of logging the PSI does...it wipes out the circumstantial case that was based around the idea that ONLY the Pats balls supposedly deflated in the elements but not the Colts. The fact is, we can't say now whether or not the Colts balls deflated. All we know is that they were supposedly legal pregame and still legal at the half. If they started at the high end of the range, that means they could have theoretically deflated by as much as a pound and still been legal, while the same pound of deflation on the Pats balls would put them a pound below...which is what Mortensen is now saying they read at.
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Ridiculous theory number 57, to get the cheaters past the SB game, so it can be swept under the rug.
I believe now that it's clear what happened...both teams balls were in fact checked and found to be legal pre-game. The Pats balls were right at the minimum, the Colts were at the maximum (of course, we can't know this for sure as no readings were logged). Then somehow or other, the Colts managed to tamper with their balls to get them above the legal max, the same way Aaron Rogers likes his balls. Then over the course of the first half, the elements deflated each team's balls, such that when they are re-tested at the half, the Pats balls are now below the legal range and the Colts balls are back in the legal range. I think an investigation needs to be launched immediately on the Colts, and if found guilty Pagano should be fired and Luck should be suspended, because he HAD to know about this inflation scheme.
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Good point Yehoodi. An overinflated football by GB QB Aaron Rogers is a violation of PSI rules & regulations. Fair is fair.
True VL. No one has seen the final results of the deflate gate investigation. I just find it odd that the Colts have their footballs tested with no air pressure issues & NE has 11 of 12 footballs that fall to pass inspection with the right amount of pressure in them. Look, if the investigation reveals that the number of deflated footballs was significantly lower than originally anticipated, I will apologize to my NE friends, but if it is confirmed that 11 out 12 balls was under inflated then somebody committed a deliberate act of deception because 11 of 12 balls are not going to uniformly drop air pressure at once that's darn near statistically impossible. I don't care what the temperature drops to in a night game.
The absence of proof does not exonerate a team because it could just mean the findings were inconclusive. I am still rooting for your Patriots to win the SB this weekend though.
We can no longer say the Colts balls had no air pressure issues. Blandino just admitted that there was no beginning air pressure logged. For all I know, that ball boy went into the bathroom, inflated the Colts balls above the limit because Luck likes the balls more inflated like Rogers does, and then they tested in the range at halftime due to the natural deflatiion that happened in the climate.
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If they used a gauge to measure the PSI pre-game, they would know the balls were AT LEAST 12.5 PSI even if they didn't record the values. There still no good explanation for losing 2 PSI (if that's accurate) in a couple hours without there being some sort of intentional deception (air let out, balls filled with hot air, etc). If they didn't use a gauge, then the embarrassment lies with the NFL and not the Pats -- even if the Pats are guilty of trying to slide under inflated balls past the refs.
my guess is that no gauge was used pre-game. That reeks of the refs covering their butt. We already know that it's common for the refs to eyeball and feel the balls pre-game. So I'll bet this was a half-assed check before the game and these balls went into play under-inflated, the same way some of Aaron Rogers balls got into play over the maximum. There are also a number of reports contradicting Mortensen's original report that all the balls tested at 2 lbs below minimum and that instead all but one of the balls were within 1 lb of the minimum. That's a huge difference, and the fact that the NFL hasn't leaked the exact measurements tells me that those measurements don't support the story they've been trying to float.
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"n other words, although the Patriots did play with under-inflated footballs, the NFL hasn’t kept detailed records of whether those footballs were slightly under-inflated (which could be the result of a change in temperature) or significantly under-inflated (which would indicate that someone purposely let air out of the footballs)."
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They don't need to log the PSI pre-game. It's not part of the process.
And whether they did or not has nothing to do with whether the balls were under-inflated at halftime, which they were. It's already been confirmed that the refs checked the PSI with gauges prior to the game, and during halftime.
Nice try, though.
Again - the league has been thoroughly embarrassed by this witch hunt and I fully expect they will invoke the phony "low burden of proof" standard to slap a penalty on the Pats to save face despite having no proof that the Patriots tampered with the balls. We also know that they can't tell us exactly how much the balls supposedly deflated as there is no beginning reading...for either team...which makes the claim that the Colts balls didn't experience any drop 100% unverifiable. This story was weak to begin with, and it'w weaker now. Nice try though.
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So let's re-set this "Scandal"...the NFL has never said that the balls were measured with a gauge pre-game...only that they were "checked", which we know often means simply that the Refs felt them by hand and said yes or no. If a gauge WAS used, no log was kept of the readings, so there is no actual way to say how much (if any) either teams balls deflated from the beginning of the game to the half.
Yep...I'd say this story just dropped dead. I'm sure the league will still issue some face-saving fine down the road, but the reality is that there is little to no evidence on which to really drop the hammer here.
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...aaaaand it's official - NFL didn't log the PSI's of the balls pre-game, so there's no proof that they weren't approved in an under-inflated state.
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I've come to the conclusion I'm either on everyone's ignore list ~ OR ~ no-one has an answer. 
:hmm:still curious.
I think he was a Patriot's employee, which made me then wonder about the story of there being suspicions dating back to the November game...which was in Indy. If this is the protocol (for the ref's to give both team's balls to a home team attendant), then clearly the "side trip to the bathroom to deflate the balls" theory wouldn't fit for road games.
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To be honest, I think a better comparison would be to a baseball pitcher, not corked bats. A pitcher touches the ball every play while his team is on defense. The QB touches the ball on every play while he is on offense. Everyone else touches are minimal and often random.
If the pitcher is caught directly with substance(s) or paraphernalia that could be used to doctor a ball on his person, they get ejected. Umps don't proactively check, it must be asked for by the opposing manager.
If a QB is caught with a pump or needle on him, or video and / or audio of him giving instruction to doctor the football, then an ejection (in game) or 1 game suspension (found afterward) is warranted, IMHO. We're not there... yet.
P.S. Baseball has a long history of pitchers doctoring the ball. Many, but not all, getting caught. Todays pitchers are horrible at it (hiding pine tar on them, etc...)
Jusy sayin' ...
It happened last year in a Sox/Yankees game. The Yankee pitcher, Pineda, was caught with pine tar on his neck. He was thrown out of that game...no forfeit, and I don't think he was suspended.
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I find it hard to believe but can't really be dismissive about it. One thing I would need answered then is, if the NFL knew before the game that it planned on investigating the patriots for deflated footballs, it makes no sense for the referees to not properly measure the (or accept below regulation levels of) the football's internal pressure.
Nevermind - someone else made the same point already about the NFL being fools if this was a sting and they allowed the first half to be played with compromised game balls.
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if they would have been instructed to lose games on purpose, irsay wouldn't have fired everyone then blown up the roster in the off season. Also they wouldn't have won two of the final four. Your argument doesn't hold up. Its flat if you will
They lost what - their first 12 games? They were pretty safely in the driver's seat for the #1 pick before they won a game, so spare me with that. That was all about "ok - we can afford to win one now to make this look better". You all think "tanking" means instructing the players to lose games. It goes well beyond that. Teams that are doing everything they can to win will make mid season acquistions and adjustments to the roster. There are always guys available. It's unprecedented in the history of the league for a team to be a consistent winner for 3 years, then completely tank to the very bottom of the league 1 year before returning to winning the next 3 years. It's laughable that people want to use data on fumbling to make a dubious connection to deflated balls, yet this anomaly which just happened to coincide with a franchise QB being available in the draft - that's just pure coincidence. Your team is dirty...all teams are dirty. It's professional sports...there's too much money at stake NOT to be willing to get dirty.
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So why would Caldwell and Polian and all of the current players of that season put their careers on the line so the Colts could get Andrew Luck. Makes. No. Sense.
Then everybody got fired.....
Careers on the line? Last I checked, Jim Caldwell was doing just fine head coaching the Lions, Bill Polian is in his 70's, and many/most of the players on that team are still playing in the NFL, many still with the Colts. Nobody's career was impacted negatively. Tanking happens. Just look at the Philadelphia 76ers in basketball. But if you are ok with it, please don't preach about integrity.
Illegal Procedure is now "skirting the rules"
I've come to the conclusion I'm either on everyone's ignore list ~ OR ~ no-one has an answer. 
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Like I said, I doubt the Pats have any of these plays in the game plan. They served their purpose against the Ravens, and now, as we can see, they have consumed game-plan time from the Seahawks and may have them looking for things that aren't there when they line up. Mission accomplished.