Bad Morty
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You can keep throwing false accusations and grasping at straws. It's quite laughable. The reason why people dismiss it is because the league investigated the Colts and found no wrongdoing, unlike what happened with the Patriots.
This is the same league that investigated the Ray Rice situation and determined that nobody in the NFL had ever seen the elevator video prior to TMZ releasing it, right? Just checking.
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They wil not be yelling "bu-bu SPYGATE!! DEFLATEGATE!!!!" they will be yelling "CHEATERS!!"
yeah...whatever...it's the same mental illness no matter what they are yelling.
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Too bad the Colts were never found to actually be pumping in crowd noise. Keep digging though.
But it's "more probable than not" that they were. I think that's the funniest thing about Colts fans...you guys all completely dismiss the likelihood that they were doing this, as I suspect MOST dome teams do. The mud will land on your team eventually, no matter what team you root for.
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No. Patriots fans are the ones who don't care. Just because their fan base has grown to accept cheating and lack of integrity doesn't mean the rest of the NFL's fan base has. The fact that it is still mentioned and always will be says enough. It will always be "yeah they won 4 Super Bowls but they got caught cheating twice during that run". Those lists, records and place in history will always be right beside Deflategate and Spygate. You and all your other Patriots comrades bring up other scandals for other teams but never list them. The fact is, both of these scandals are unlike anything that has ever happened in the history of the NFL, hence the Patriots receiving a punishment unlike any other in history.
We just had 2 this year, between using the old Colts trick of pumping in crowd noise and texting to coaches on the field. But please - carry on living in this bubble of self-righteous sanctimony where there are 31 clean and pure teams and then there's the Patriots.
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Brett Favre - refuses to turn over phone to NFL in investigation of his 'sexting' scandal...penalty = $50K
Tom Brady - refuse to turn over phone to Wells...penalty: 4 game suspension
The inconsistency and hypocrisy of this league is astonishing. This penalty would be the equivalent to the NBA suspending Michael Jordan for a quarter of a season because of some minor rules infraction.
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It's not about me adding astericks, it's the whole football world outside of NE. Sure it will say you are Champs, but you will never get the respect that the Steelers, 49'ers, or Packers got for their Championships. To most, the Patriot Championships will be like the Barry Bonds home run record. It sits there, but no one thinks it's legitimate.
I'm sure it feels good to think this given your team's struggles against the Patriots...but you are simply not correct about it. Belichick will be a first ballot hall of famer. Brady will be a first ballot hall of famer, and 20 years from now, the NFL network will be running tribute videos of the "Great Patriots Dynasty" just like they run them now for their past great champions. Sure - a few angry shut-ins may still be shaking their fist at the tv and incoherently screaming "Bu-bu- SPYGATE!! DEFLATEGATE!!!!!"....but that's the extent of it.
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Tell me again why Goodall , the NFL ... wants to frame the Pats and Brady. How does it benefit their product ?
I think it's simple...the rest of the league has been criticizing Goodell since day 1 for being "Kraft's puppet" and for the unfounded notion that the Patriots are allowed to get away with things other teams get punished for (with no actual proof of this). Goodell has been looking for an opportunity to "prove" that he's not owned by Kraft and the Patriots...hence, an unsubstantiated claim that balls were tampered with to produce a miniscule amount of deflation becomes cause to hand out the harshest penalty in league history to this owner, even though the very report the league paid for made it clear that Kraft and Belichick were completely innocent.
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Funny the guy arguing credibility concerns is citing a science company owned by Robert Kraft. Please, save that for someone who will fall for your crap. You want to argue the science, fine, we can argue the science. But yoru eye rolling from behind a computer proves nothing.
As to the bolded, you basically just admitted, despite your previous post, that the ideal gas law doesn't explain the pressure drop in the Patriots footballs. So I mean, why they got that way is the question, and no one is asking you to believe anything. But the evidence is pretty easy to conclude that the there was some "funny business" as one of your fellow Patriot fans put it. If it's so unbelievable that there was an organized cheating scheme, then I'm not sure what to tell you. The ball boy was caught on camera doing a lot of unbelievable things like taking a bag of footballs into the restroom. Either he let air out of the footballs or Brady, Jastremski, and McNally are victims of a string of coincidences of just being at the wrong place at the wrong time and saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. You have more faith than I could ever muster to believe the crap that has come from the Patriots camp.
You are dismissing the science provided by a Nobel Prize winner with the incredibly disingenuous suggestion that Kraft "owns" the company he started. Believe me - the NFL "owns" more of Exponent given the fee they paid to get the result they wanted. The fact here is that the science is FAR FAR FAR from conclusive that any tampering happened whatsoever here. One company with a demonstrated track record for providing scientific results that fit the needs of those paying for it says they think the science is conclusive that there was tampering. That's a pretty weak starting point. We all were led to believe by the NFL that the Patriots footballs were deflated to 20% below the legal limit. Now the best anyone can say is that one science company believes the balls were marginally below what would be expected. That's good enough for the pitchfork and torches crowd.
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Again, this is all false and in complete contradiction to what's actually in the report.
Is a flat out incorrect recitation of the report. The report, and specifically, Exponent, made it abundantly clear that the ideal gas law cannot explain the drop in the Patriots footballs, regardless of what gauge was used. Exponent, page X, paragraph 2. It said the only way the ideal gas law could have been in the expected range was dependent on several factors, the combination of which is "unrealistic." Exponent Page XIII, Paragraph 10.
this is the company that told us second hand smoke doesn't cause cancer. No matter WHAT gauge we are talking about, the amount below "expected" levels is pretty miniscule compared to the "2 pounds below per ball" nonsense that was released. So we're being asked to believe that an organized cheating scheme was put in motion to get balls a few tenths of a pound lower than nature would have dictated? Lol. Ok...sounds plausible. Eyeroll.
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Superman puts this as "succinctly" (ha ha) as possible. Here's what this whole thing boils down to, IMO. If I'm a judge, juror, advocate, et.al and evaluating evidence from an objective point of view, I cannot get past two incriminating pieces of jargon here ...
1. The "Deflator"
2. The plurality of texts between Brady, McNally, and Jastremski concerning one single game
How exactly does Brady explain this? And, this doesn't include any more evidentiary facts that may come to light down the court-beaten
path.
It's a "preponderance of evidence" to say the least. It's "more likely than not" to attain a verdict of "guilty as charged" ruling/verdict.
Neither one of those things is even close to as suspect as the fact that the science doesn't clearly support that any ball tampering happened at all.
1) The Pats claim they didn't tamper with the balls
2) Anderson remembers using the logo gauge to measure the balls
3) The balls measured on that gauge at halftime were within the range that the ideal gas law would predict given the conditions
That anybody would claim that a text from May of 2014 when a guy referred to himself as a suspicious sounding name is enough to outweigh this glaring set of facts pretty much tells you that this is all about "screw the evidence - we hate that these guys win so BURN THE WITCH!".
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The "deflator".
yep. I believe McNally was responsible for lowering the pressure in the balls...then submitting them to the refs and hoping that they would give them a feel and pass them for play. That's what "the deflator" would be expected to do.
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And again, it falls to you to explain "the deflator," "I'm not going to ESPN.... yet," 'Tom says you must have a lot of stress trying to get footballs done,' etc., all in reference to an individual who is not at all involved in the preparation of footballs in any official capacity.
And that's before we get to the fact that no one outside of New England agrees with that particular criticism of the Wells Report.
That's not a criticism of the Wells report...that IS the Wells report. Go read it...Exponent themselves states that the pressures when measured by the gauge Coleman believes he used fell within the normal range where no tampering would be suspected. That's 100% factual. What follows from there is a lot of convoluted lawyer speak that says "Coleman is wrong about which gauge he used"...if you had an objective bone in your body, you would find that to be the most sketchy element of this entire circus.
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Because one appeared to be a spur of the moment attempt to improve the grip on the footballs. You throw the word "illegally" in there, but the point is that it doesn't seem like they thought it was illegal, or else they wouldn't have been doing it when and where they were. Wiping the footballs with a towel on the sidelines is 'manipulating footballs to get a better grip,' but it's not against the rules. Warming the footballs is against the rules, which they didn't seem to realize.
And on the other hand, you have the Patriots, who evidently went out of their way to sneak footballs away, directly release air from them where no one else could see, after the footballs had been approved by the refs.
One is absentmindedly walking out of the store without paying for something. The other is stealing goods out the back door. Let's not try to make them the same. They aren't.
The pressure of the Patriots footballs measured within the expected range based on the ideal gas law based on the gauge the referee recalls using. You have to make the leap that Coleman's memory was top notch on every aspect of this incident except that one thing to believe otherwise. Occam's razor...
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Yes, because that's a simpler explanation than that the Patriots pumped the footballs in a warm/hot room so that they would be approved by the refs a few minutes later, yet still come to a lower PSI post approval.
Just because what McNally did was dumb doesn't mean he didn't do it. It's obvious from the text messages and the interviews with personnel that McNally deflated the footballs after they were inspected, and the dates of the text messages make it pretty obvious that he had done this before.
But not as elegantly simple as "the balls deflated as the ideal gas law would predict based on the measurements of the gauge that the referee recalled using".
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You guys crack me up. If the Pats rigged it so the balls would pass inspection, but later lose enough pressure to be comfortable for the game, that's not really any better.
Occam's razor.
Occam's razor supports the theory that a guy took a bag of footballs into a bathroom to hastily stick a needle into a bunch of footballs risking damaging/rupturing the valve in one of them and being caught red-handed in order to shave a few 10ths of a pound of PSI off them? That makes no sense at all.
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I'd love to hear your thoughts on "the deflator"...
absolutely...I think he referred to himself as the "deflator" because he was in charge of deflating the balls.
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sorry BM, you would have to be a fool to believe nothing happened. If nothing happened Kraft would have continued with the fight as he should have. Kraft is now back peddling because he wants no part of a trial. Then the two equipment men and Brady's cell phone and records would be brought into court and made to testify. There is the smoking gun.
We'll see...I have a feeling the next shoe to drop here is going to be Brady's suspension getting lifted. This press conference sounded like deal making...I.e "We'll stop demolishing the report Wells produced, you give us back our QB".
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So you don't think McNally deflated the footballs in the bathroom?
you'd have to be a fool to believe that. It's all right there in the Wells report...the balls measured by the gauge Walt Coleman recalled using all fell within the expected range of natural deflation. That didn't fit the story that was being spun, so suddenly Coleman's recollections, which Wells takes as gospel in every other instance, are judged to be incorrect. When you use the measurements off the other gauge, the balls are tenths of a pound shy of the natural range. It's not even remotely plausible to think that there was an organized scheme to take a few 10ths of a pound of air pressure out of footballs. The balls weren't tampered with.
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Given the Jets' track record, you can make the argument that allowing them to keep their picks is the harsher punishment.
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Brady posted this pic today:
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its well known that crowd noise can really hinder offenses, cause false starts, cause miscommunications between the QB and offensive coordinator, etc..
And that's my point...when you are a road team, you have to plan for the likelihood that the crowd is going to be loud and hostile and you should be prepared for it when it happens. Just because that crowd noise happened to be enhanced isn't an excuse for your team to perform poorly because you should have come to the game expecting 70,000 people screaming their heads off for the entire game. When my team's offense is confused and committing false start penalties on the road, I'm not going to excuse it by saying "oh - well the REAL crowd was quiet..it was artificial noise so it's ok that we weren't prepared for it to be loud"
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I'm kind of surprised the penalty on the Falcons was that light. It should have been $500K & a 1st round draft pick this year at a minimum.
Pumping in fake noise can really alter how a team implements plays & it can affect the QB's cadence, snap count, & linemen movement. Atlanta got off easy.
If you are a road team, and you are negatively impacted by loud crowd noise (whether it's genuine or artificial), that's on you. I really hate how this league has turned into a non-stop excuse making exercise for those who lost. Part of the charm of sports is the gamesmanship. All this whining about these minor rules infractions just reeks of the takeover of sports by the entitled generation of kids who never participated in a single sporting even unless there were adult coaches, uniforms, and referees. If you grew up playing pick up baseball or basketball, backyard touch football, or street hockey where there were no coaches and you called your own fouls, then you are shaking your head at all this nonsense. It's really ruining the game.
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How is deliberately breaking the rules in order to gain a competitive advantage not a big deal at all?
It wasn't the Patriots doing it, therefore "not a big deal".
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Vereen was definitely more than 3 yards
Vareen was much further than three yards from the tackle
He's the "ineligible" guy in the photo..so I think you are correct.
NFL/Patriots Deflategate compromise UPDATE: Pats will not appeal
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"A neutral observer writes an article that suggests the NFL is not 100% clean in this mess...BIAS!!!"
...what a joke.