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15 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
No isn’t. I can look at both as being a seperate thing. The yards was really good until Jacoby got hurt. Yes he needs to clean up the fumbles.
Well, it's not a contradiction but it's something that could be said about just about nay player... when you ignore their bad plays, they played well.
But I do agree, we have seen flashes from Campbell. If (and right now we have to consider that a big if) he can stay healthy, I expect big things from him next year.
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13 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:
IMO very few players talent transcends their situation (Julio Jones, Barry Sanders, LT, etc) its the situation that determines the result.
For example, Chris Chambers was, in my opinion, very very good but that's not necessarily reflected anywhere. He had a few great seasons with Gus Ferotte throwing him the ball. What would that look like if he were drafted here with Peyton throwing him the ball for 13 years?
Sure DK looks great - with Wilson throwing him ball.
Sure Mack looks great running the ball - with this O line.
Are those different results with different situations? 100% yes.
Yes, we can never do an apples to apples comparison because no two situations are exactly the same, for example, Chambers was the #1 receiver during his time in Miami, would Wayne have put up better numbers if he didn't have Harrison being the #1 the first 8 years of his career? The only thing we can do is look back at there careers.
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15 minutes ago, Pacergeek said:
Yes. Exactly. Rock Ya Sin was a way better pick than DK Metcalf or Deebo Samuel.
They both have made more of impact this year but it's too early to tell.
I remember people bad mouthing Polian when he took a receiver Wayne when Quincy Morgan, Chad Johnson and Chris Chambers were available. Or for taking Freeney rather than Haynesworth. In the long run, it was proven that Polian made the correct choice. We need to wait and see if the same can be said for Ya-Sin.
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22 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:
Willis is the replacement for Geathers. So I’d remove that from your misses as Willis has a case for being the best draft pick last year.
I meant the year before. He signed Mitchell during the year in 2018.
22 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:cain was late round pick that didn’t work out. That’s not a miss IMO.
Good point. And I don't expect a GM to get good players at every point of the draft. I probably would not have mentioned Cain had they (Colts front office) hyped him so much during training camp of his rookie season.
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30 minutes ago, PeterBowman said:
it's the instant gratification times we live in.
The players have to contribute immediately or they're a bust mentality.
Nelson and Leonard being All Pros their first year set really unrealistic expectations for the future drafts.
It's even worse than that. Many people act like if another team drafts a player that turns out to be good, then the Colts GM missed on that player. Or if he doesn't sign some of the "big name free agents" then... I don't know.
Like @MPStack stated, I like Ballard and I think he is the best GM for the Colts since Bill Polian was GM (that is prior to 2009 when his son Chris became the GM) but I don't think that everything he has done is great, he has missed on a few but he's hit on a lot more than he's missed.
Major misses IMO have been
Hooker
Basham
Wilson
Banner is borderline since he's still playing
Cain
Not looking for a replacement for Geathers
Major hits
Leonard
Nelson
Ya-Sin
Mack
Stewart
Sheard
Houston
Ebron (yes he is a hit, IMO because he performed to his contract, exceeded it one year and below it the next but he only signed a 2 year contract)
Willis
Walker
Hines
Smith
I think the Colts have a good core of guys now and few holes to fill, so I think we will see him tap into more of the cap space than he has. But we shall see
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17 hours ago, FRW said:
We ended up 7-9. We lost one game, LAC, because we couldn't make FGs or PATs. We lost to Pittsburgh because our starting QB got knocked out of the game while driving for a TD to go up double digits and our backup came in and immediately threw a pick six.
Colts may or may not have won the game if JB had not been injured, but Hoyer actually came in and immediately threw a TD to Doyle. It was the next drive, that Hoyer drove the Colts downfield and in a position to go up double digits when he threw the pick 6.
QuoteThen as the clock wound down our kicker again couldn't make a chip shot FG to win the game. We lost to Miami because our kicker missed a PAT and our backup QB (not JB) couldn't get a first down in the red zone at the end of the game. We lost our second game to TN because again our kicker couldn't make FGs and our special teams couldn't provide protection which allowed a block FG returned for a TD and TN to come back from a double digit deficit. Speaking of which our defense gave up three double digit leads in the late third quarter/fourth quarter. Beat LAC in regulation, beat Pittsburgh and Miami with our starting QB and a decent kicker, and hold on to one of our three double digit leads and instead of being 7-9 we are 11-5, AFC South champs and still playing.
I know the popular wisdom here is that JB is dog poop and shouldn't be allowed back in the complex, and that ANY QB is better just by not being him. And for the record I have my doubts about JB and think he has a lot of work to do to become an effective QB week in and week out, but the hate you see on this site for this guy is embarrassing and honestly a little suspect. The JB haters can always spin anything to prove how worthless he is, but he led a game tying drive at LA only to have the kicking game fail us. He was winning when he left the Pittsburgh game, didn't even play against Miami and had a solid TD to Int. ratio for the season. And then there was that highlight film Houdini move and pass against Denver that saved that game.
A few things. Why is it that anyone that does not think JB is a good starting QB they are labeled a JB hater? Personally, I like JB a lot but I don't think he's a good QB. Additionally, JB lost as many games for the Colts as he won this year. The Denver play was the play of the year for him and that was great. But fumbling the ball away against Jax when the Colts were down by 4, is all on him.
QuoteLastly would have we been better if AL doesn't retire? Sure, but would our kicking woes have cost a couple of games even with Andrew on the field? Very possibly. Regardless he isn't coming back, hopefully neither is Hoyer, and no CK is not destined for the hall of fame or taking us to the SB. We may see a better QB next year under center. It may be a new face, it may be an improved JB. I'll trust the management to make that decision, but without a decent kicking game and a defense that can close out games, it may not matter much.
So it's the fault of the rest of the team when the Colts lost? JB needs to be able to close out games as well. I was comparing some stats of all the AFC South QBs, Tannehill, Watson, JB and Minshew.
JB is the only QB in the AFC South to throw for fewer TDs in the 2nd half than the 1st half.
JB is the only QB in the AFC South to throw for fewer 1st downs in the 2nd half than he did in the 1st half.
JB and Minshew are the only QBs to have a worst completion percentage in the 2nd half
JB is the only QB in the AFC South whose completion percentage drops when the Colts are trailing vs when the game is tied (All QBs in the AFC south have their highest completion percentage when their team is winning). When comparing completion percentage when tied to completion percentage when trailing, tannehill's goes up almost 5 percent, Watson and Minshew goes up 2% and JBs drops 10%.
So, the times when you want a QB to perform at their best, in the 4th qtr or when the team is behind, is when JB plays his worst.
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Actually at the time of the trade Buffalo played a 3-4 D, so the argument they traded him because he didn't fit the Colts style of D at the time is not accurate. Hughes played ok for the Colts but he was behind Mathis and Freeney so he didn't get a lot of playing time, when Grigs/Pags came in, he was part of the house cleaning that every new GM does. It hindsight it may have been a mistake but at the time a lot of people on this forum were talking about what a genius Grigs was to make that trade.
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IMO you do not trade a generational talent, no matter the position for a potential franchise guy, no matter the position.
Now you would trade a generational talent at one position for a generational talent at a high valued position. So, if Burrow is a generational talent then you trade Nelson but if Burrow is not a generational talent then you don't make the trade.
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1 hour ago, Dingus McGirt said:
Summing it up, in advance.
"We love Jacoby Brissett. He's a great leader in the locker room, and a great human being. He's our starting quarterback going forward."
He said as of right now Brissett but they are not going to stick with him no matter what.
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On 12/31/2019 at 6:53 PM, Moosejawcolt said:
So u r saying the misses add up so shouldn't the hits as well???
Actually you are saying the misses add up, I was basically saying, duh.
And yes the hits add up as well and they are.
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On 12/31/2019 at 7:13 PM, Moosejawcolt said:
People hammer Grigson, but if memory serves me right, his teams never finished below 500. Is that correct? I mean isn't it all about wins and losses at the end of the day? What's Ballard's record??
I would have to look it up but I know the Colts have lost more than they have won under Ballard so far. But what does that have to do with the 2013 vs 2017 drafts?
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3 hours ago, Superman said:
Neither of them sucked. We gotta stop claiming rookies who don't light the world on fire "sucked." It's stupid.
The more I watched him, the more I liked him. I would have loved to have him.
yeah brown was one of my favorite receivers leading up to the draft, he was also a draft pick of mine in my fantasy league
DK Metcalf is another (although he wasn't a favorite, actually I thought he was overhyped because of his combine numbers), he has had an excellent rookie season.
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21 hours ago, GoColts8818 said:
No it’s not. This isn’t AC saying I want to comeback but only if the Colts will have me. This is him saying I am not sure if I want to comeback regardless of if the Colts want me.
There are several direct quotes supporting this. Everyone who gets paid to cover the Colts covered it this way. Even the coach pretty much said we are waiting to see what AC wants to do.
The ONLY thing to suggest that AC said I want to comeback but only if the Colts will have me is if you misinterpreted what Holder meant when he said “first”. That’s editorializing.
Everything else contradicts this view point and the only people pushing are people arguing for it to be that way on a message board.
Look at all these links and tell which of them support the idea that AC wants to comeback but only if the Colts want him. Spoiler they don’t. They say AC is thinking about retiring regardless of if the Colts want him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/HolderStephen/status/1211689805479845890
https://mobile.twitter.com/HolderStephen/status/1211706900435406849
https://mobile.twitter.com/HolderStephen/status/1211707811010359298
all of those from Holder around the time he sent his other tweet making it even clearer he did not mean ACs first choice is to stay with the Colts and second choice was to retire and he meant AC is considering retirement in general.
https://mobile.twitter.com/HolderStephen/status/1211726530096746496
https://mobile.twitter.com/mchappell51/status/1211726578209771522
https://mobile.twitter.com/jimayello/status/1211726529383849987
reich taking about AC.
story from chappal.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jimayello/status/1211707666520793092
Jim Ayello who talked to AC directly.
This is not rocket science. Like it or not AC is thinking about walking away and not just if him and the Colts can’t agree on a contact. I don’t like it and don’t want him to go but I am not going live in denial and pretend he’s not considering it.If you are taking about the Colts they pick at 13 even more talent there lol.
Wow, a whole lot of words that basically say nothing. All your links are the same three phrases over and over again.
First option sign with the Colts
Second option retirement
Why retirements - Personal reasons, some things to think about.
Colts position - They want AC as their LT.
That is it. I've never claimed he's not considering retirement. I'm just not over-reacting to it, nor am I adding things that are not there to his comments.
You can panic and cry about it all you want, I look at it more as someone who had a great season on a team that ended mediocre, frustrated, body doesn't respond like it used to and probably has enough money to finance something he is passionate about. Nothing more and quite frankly nothing new in the football world.
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On 12/29/2019 at 6:44 PM, waittilnextyear said:
Thank you. You put some lipstick on it and hope someone thinks it is pretty.
Nothing like that at all, more like when your kid wets the bed you don't hang the stained sheets outside for the whole neighborhood to see.
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On 12/29/2019 at 8:18 PM, WarGhost21 said:
Over the past few days, most of the forum talk I’ve seen mentioning Chris Ballard is saying that he makes bad picks and that he always trades down for second rounders that don’t do anything. I really don’t get it. We are just one draft removed from 2 All-Pro Rookies, both of which were acquired from him making a trade down. Just because not everyone hits one draft doesn’t make him suddenly incapable of making great selections and grabbing impact players. Even Rock Ya-Sin and Bobby Okereke from this class have made early huge impacts on the team, and still it seems that very few are still invested in the process. I’m honestly confused, and if someone could please enlighten me as to where all of this loss of faith is coming from, please tell me so I, and others like me, can understand!! Thanks, and let’s go smash this offseason!! Go Blue!
It's a big reason why I'm glad the fans don't run the team. Over the last couple of weeks I've read on this forum that the Colts should:
Fire the GM
Fire the HC
Fire the OC
Fire the DC
Go to a 3-4 defense
Throw more deep passes
Throw more short passes
need to replace everyone in the secondary
Need to replace everyone on the dline
Need 4 or 5 new receivers
Run the ball more
Run the ball less
And yes I have even read where someone on this forum suggested trading Nelson.
In summary, fan is short for fanatical.... not logical.
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3 minutes ago, DougDew said:
LOL.
Who's responsible for trading a #1 pick for the vet player the HC called the "rolling ball of butcher knives"? If it was a bad trade, it must have been RG, right?
You're a funny little man. I have no idea who was responsible for Trent. I don't remember seeing any reports claiming Pagano went to them and asked them to pursue a deal. But why do you keep bringing in other players into this? I thought we were talking about Davis and Hooker?
3 minutes ago, DougDew said:And when the HC "steals" a number one pick from the GM, how does that impact the GMs ability to be judged upon draft picks alone?
Why are you trying to turn this into how a GM is judged by draft picks alone? Oh yeah, you are just trying to change the subject again.
3 minutes ago, DougDew said:You're making it complicated in a feeble attempt to validate some media mob popular narrative you've held for years.
What in the world are you talking about? I have only talked about Davis and Hooker, you are the one trying to complicate things by bringing in Trent, Werner, Smith and others.
3 minutes ago, DougDew said:Either the GM is responsible for how draft picks are used or he isn't. That applies to Hooker and Vontae, as well as all the other players you would ....or would not....choose to point out.
I'm sorry you cannot understand some simple concepts. But your constant changing of the subject is tiresome. Why cannot you not discuss the topic without bringing in all the major logical fallacies? In the past few posts there are example of Ad hominem, straw man, false dichotomy, and red herring.
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11 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Not changing the subject. You want to make believe that a DC tells a GM that he wants a certain vet CB that he never met, but doesn't tell the GM he wants a college DE he personally worked out.
Wow there are so many things wrong about this sentence.
1. Pagano was the HC not the DC
2. Pags scouted Davis when he was with the Ravens
3. You are the only one mentioning anything about Werner or any other picks. I was talking about Davis and Hooker. I've never said anything about any other players. But you keep trying to change the subject.
QuoteThe 2017 draft rivals the 2013. Period.
Hah. Grigs 2013 draft - All players out of the league within 3 years and no player that earned a starting job. Vs CB 2017 draft that got starters Mack (Top 10 running back in the NFL), Stewart (earned his way to the starting line up and played well), Walker (starting to get talk as an underrated LB and one that is just below Leonard as the Colts best LB) and Hooker and two other players that didn't fit the Colts but were picked up by other teams almost immediately in Hairston(traded) and Banner.
Nice try though.
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20 minutes ago, DougDew said:
That is the standard bearer around here for bad drafts.
You're trying to give Pagano credit for DB Davis, and the blame for DB Hooker.
If you say so, but that is not what I'm doing. One Davis was not a draft pick, he was a veteran trade. Two, I think Hooker was a bad pick. But from your post it appears you don't really know how the Gm and coaches work together to develop a draft pick. in a nutshell the GM sits down with the coach and finds out what traits the coach wants in each position. They then prioritize those traits and assign weight number for each trait. Then the GM works his his scouts and teaches them what constitutes a X grade for this trait or a Y grade for that trait. From that they come up with an overall grade for each player.
So the GM is responsible for the draft picks, but GMs don't just pick players they like, they pick players that have the traits and attributes the coaches are looking for. That is why I think Irsay made a mistake not firing Pags the same time he fired Grigs, because CB had to start the whole grading system over again when the Colts hired Reich.
20 minutes ago, DougDew said:But probably not the blame for TJ Green, Djoun Smith, or DE Werner,
Just cut it straight down the line. Either the GM is responsible for how the draft picks are used or he isn't.
Nice try, again, to change the subject but Davis wasn't a draft pick he was a trade. And there were several reports at the time that when it was known that Miami was shopping Davis that Pagano went to Irsay and Grigs to talk them into pursuing a deal for him. Now whether or not Grigs was thinking along the same lines I don't know, there was nothing reported about that.
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17 hours ago, chad72 said:
Sometimes, I do not get the hate Dak Prescott gets, probably because of him being on the Cowboys. That dude can make plays, can extend it with his legs, play second fiddle to a running game and stretch the field just fine.
I don't hate Dak, but I do think he is a slightly above average QB.
17 hours ago, chad72 said:Derek Carr can do a bit with his legs too but he is not as strong as Dak, who is like a Donovan McNabb, to let tackles bounce off and keep things alive. Carr does have Dak on accuracy though.
I think both Carr and Prescott start to break down when their first two reads are not available. With dak he runs, with Carr he loses his accuracy.
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5 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Hogwash. If Hooker doesn't get better, Ballard's 2017 draft will rival Grigson's 2013 draft, the Bjoern Werner draft.
Ballard would have gotten Mack and Walker, and Grigson secured Vontae Davis with 2013's second rounder, who was a CB that shut down the other team's best WR by himself for a few years.
No draft could be as bad as Grigson's 2013 draft. You can give credit to Grigson for Davis, but that was all Pagano pushing for him.
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11 hours ago, Blueblood23 said:
Once a guy thinks about retirement he already has then mentally. He probably will never be all in even with a big fat contract.
There is nothing true in either of those sentences.
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14 hours ago, Shafty138 said:
He's kind of a o e year wonder though, not that he couldn't be an amazing NFL QB.... But he has already lost one starting job in recent years.
Yeah, a few weeks ago, I was hoping being a one year wonder would cause him to fall in the draft but he just keeps getting better every week and the bigger the stage the better he plays. Unless he totally chokes in the championship game, or has a big scandal this offseason he will probably be the #1 pick.
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8 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:
I disagree totally with u giving a Ballard a pass on his 1st draft. People on this forum always say that, so technically Ballard has only had 2 drafts. People point to Hooker and that he was more picked to fit Paganos system. Listen to the clip below from Ballard regarding Hooker. Ballard picked him because he thought he would b elite in any system. Well he is far from that. The Hooker pick is on Ballard. The misses are adding up as each year passes.
https://www.colts.com/video/chris-ballard-discusses-drafting-malik-hooker-18788933
Sorry that is the way it came across. I didn't give him a pass. I know he liked Hooker as a prospect and not as a safety for Pagano's D. My point was that by not firing Pagano, it prevented the Colts from moving forward.
As far as the comment about misses are adding up as each year passes... um well yeah, no GM is going to hit on every pick, no GM is going to hit on every high draft pick. So the longer a GM remains in the NFL the more his misses are going to add up. Just like the longer a QB plays the more interceptions he will have... doesn't mean he's a bad QB.
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13 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:
No it’s not. See Frank Reich’s comments about it.
What is clear is that Holder meant first as in the first of two things I am going to tell you which he made clear when he said “and the other is retirement”. He was NOT saying first as in his first choice is to comeback to the Colts and then retire if the Colts don’t want him.
A quick look at Holder’s twitter right after that, or anyone else who covers the Colts also makes that clear. Follow that up with Reich saying they want him back but that all guys need space at the end of the year and that haven’t talked about when he will make his decision makes it even clearer.
Like Superman said, that's editorializing. Just because the Colts want him back does not mean they will be able to work out a contract. Maybe they Colts want him back on a 1 year deal, probably not but again just because the Colts want him back does not mean they will re-sign him.
13 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:
I don’t want AC to retire but it’s pretty clear he’s strongly considering it and if he wants to comeback the Colts will welcome him back with open arms.
The only thing that is clear is AC said he has two options Signing with the Colts or retiring. He never said he is strongly considering it, Reich never said he is strongly considering it. All he said was if he retires it's for personal reasons. Nothing more.
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