[A Coach and 3 QBs to play a game for your life]

Before 2000

Vince Lombardi

First half - Brett Favre

Second half - Brett Favre

Extra time - Brett Favre

After 2000

Bill Belichik

First half - Peyton Manning

Second half - Tom Brady

Extra time - Eli Manning

[Tony Dungy Disappointment]

Who are you talking to?

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[Tony Dungy Disappointment]

Like a couple people said...toughen up. So what. I bet you can't even name the Ram's first round draft pick. Googling it and posting it won't make me wrong either.

[Peyton Manning Voted No.1 By The Players]

Is there anyone posting that doesn't feel that Brady and Manning are among the all-time greats at QB?

Interesting question. The answer has to be no, but fandom, stubbornness, etc. I certainly think they are 2 GOATs.

Is there anyone posting that feels Rogers is among the all-time greats?

Not me, and the stuff Packer fans come up with to sell him as the greatest ever if he were to quit right now just makes me hate him regardless of his plain old overrated play on the field.

[2014 surprise/sleeper team [Merge]]

Didn't you predict 3 wins for the Vikings in another thread? If 3-13 is a "massive over achievement type first season for the new regime", we are in a lot of trouble. Lol.

We hope to see more disciplined play, an improved defense and development of our young guys (7 first round picks in last 3 years). We all want Bridgewater to start. I don't expect the Vikings to make the playoffs; so, the record will not matter much to me.

Lol yep I did...but my dig at the Packers still stands whether that prediction happens or this one.

[6,000 yards in 2014?]

I loved 2007 and would not change anything about that season. To go undefeated until 18-0 was an unbelievable ride as a fan and made the entire season titillating to watch. The last month of the season felt like every game was a Super Bowl as the team went to 13-0 and then 14-0 and 15-0 and the capper with the Giants that maybe the best regular season game of all time given it propelled them to the perfect 16-0. Every year a team wins the Super Bowl, no team in the history of the sport has ever went 16-0 and I am really proud of that and would never trade that.

I feel the same way about Brett Favre in 2009. The comeback against Chicago late that Monday night in the sleet was almost 1 of the greatest comebacks of all time...almost being because it technically wasn't a comeback since Adrian Peterson fumbled it away in OT after Favre tied it. This game was the closest we ever got back to 90s Favre. He was out there 40 years old running around like a looney tune after every Td. He pulled a ton of plays out of his poopshoot that year, not just the 49er play. The Ravens game and both Packer games saw him having to win it at the end because Childress let them back in the game. It just didn't literally come down to the final play like the 49er game.

He finally got a playoff win against Dallas too. Not only that, he got revenge on that Dallas team in particular who stunned him in Green Bay in 2007 when they knocked him out of the game and won it (which it looked like they were going to win anyway).

[SB36 on NFLN right now]

Forget the $$$ and what is the spread really? A bunch of Vegas people predicting the score of a game.

Anybody who actually paid attention to football saw that the Rams had alot of easy regular season games and they got the token postprime Brett Favre on crack game. The Patriots won a ton of tough regular season games that year and obviously their playoff games. I'm not saying the Rams didn't deserve to be there, but all of their breaks made this not exactly the biggest upset ever. Meanwhile Brady homers think that not dubbing it the world's most ginormous upset think it's some shot at Brady. He still won the game, upset or not.

[6,000 yards in 2014?]

If you ask most Pats fans, they'll take the ring every time. I don't consider 2007 or 2010 successes even though Brady won the MVP.

I believe you...but not most fans (of any guy) lol!

[6,000 yards in 2014?]

The question comes down to this.

Do you want a Super Bowl ring or do you want stats?

Manning stats last year are meaningless since what will always be remembered is how poorly the Broncos (whom spent the entire year running up stats to break every offensive record in history) played that game.

Stats do not matter at the end of the day when you get you get blown out very badly like that when everything is on the line.

What's more memorable from the 2011 Saints? Was it Brees stats, or the fact they lost in the playoffs? Not to forget everyone moaned and complained weekly about Brees running the stats up, but not when it's their guy. Brees is the most hated "elite" quarterback at the end of the day anyway, nobody wants him winning anything.

The 2007 Pats were the best example of this (before the Broncos of last year) cause they had the records too, and no one remembers them except for the fact they went undefeated and lost in the Super Bowl, and that Pats defense was brutal in 2007.

Before all this 5,000 yard craze began, go back and look at the QB's that led passing stats and what happened to them.

Kurt Warner came close to a 5,000 yard season in 2001, and he lost the Super Bowl.

Dan Marino was the first to hit 5,000 yards and despite the Dolphins being an offensive juggernaut they were useless in that Super Bowl.

Besides this, Marino led yardage and TD stats multiple seasons and the Dolphins would get slaughtered in the playoffs.

Warren Moon use to amass stats too back in his prime and the Oilers always had epic melt downs in the playoffs.

Drew Bledsoe led the yards in 1994 and no one even remembers this, probably because the Pats lost in the first round.

Brett Favre led the yardage stats in 1995, won the MVP and then the Packers lost badly in the playoffs

Before the 2000's, many seasons the passing stat leaders wouldn't even reach the playoffs.

One of my favorite mediocre QB's of all time was Steve Beurelein. In 1999 he put up an epic season for the 8-8 Panthers where he threw for 4,436 yards, 36 TD's and 15 INT's. Had the Panthers won the division that year and Kurt Warner didn't exist, he would have probably won the MVP, and he's the kind of guy that often gets laughed at for how bad he looked on those old Cardinals teams, yet he put up big numbers at the time. it don't look extraordinary today but for 1999 that was great. He had a better year than Warner statistically and the Panthers only won 8 games.

Leading the passing stats is a curse to a team cause it guarantees that they won't win the Super Bowl.

I highly doubt we're going to see a team win the Super Bowl and lead the passing stats, it's been balanced teams with strong defenses in the last 4 years. Russell Wilson and Joe Flacco were not even in the top 10 on stats and they have rings (and most people argue Flacco is terrible). Eli has 2 rings and everyone always talks about what a joke of a QB he is cause he don't have mega stats, but he has two rings.

I don't even care about stats anymore with Brees. They mean nothing to me. He's never going to win an MVP sadly, and I really don't even care what yards he puts up anymore cause all I want is one more Super Bowl before he retires. Just one more ring is all I want.

I'm sure Lions fans would rather have at least one playoff win rather than Stafford's 5,000 yard season. I know when the Saints lost in 2011, it was humiliating to think of all the stats and how it became meaningless since they didn't win it.

Wow this is all over the place...what single person has ever ripped Dan Marino for that SB loss that season he broke the yardage record? That record, which isn't even a "record" anymore, is discussed more than the dang TD record that Peyton is about to obliterate.

Nobody rips Favre for 1995 either. That game was almost an epic comeback. It was the biggest playoff advancement they'd made since SBII and they had to pull off an upset the previous week to get there.

People choose between stats and rings depending on how their quarterback is doing at the time. It's summer time now so sure everybody wants to win. Then when Brees has 5,000 yards you're going to clammor for the MVP because he will have carried the team to 9 wins that should have been 12 wins if not for this and this and this that wasn't his fault.

[Predicting the Season]

Like yeah totally, the Saints dropping at 9-7 is so believable when they were the only team in the entire playoffs last year that had a top 3 ranked offense and defense.

Like yeah totally, teams finish the same every year.

[2014 surprise/sleeper team [Merge]]

Vikings - even if they don't turn out to be good, I'm betting on a massive over achievement type 1st season for the new regime. Teams often respond well when fans get behind them in a bad situation regarding their home field, weather etc. Also, it's a law that somebody has to step up and goe a fraudulent 10-6 in the NFC North every year so Aaron Rodgers can continue to be heralded as the greatest quarterback ever even though his playoff record is going to be 5-12 1 day lol

Jags - they can make a .500 season out of it IMO

[6,000 yards in 2014?]

Marino had 5084 in 1984.

They need to put *s in the record books! Brees couldn't even stay on the field until 2004 and all of his numbers have came among Bountygate, the camera scandal, etc. Meanwhile guys like Stafford and Eli (I like Eli as a clutch QB who wins big games but statistically decorated he is not) have since broken Marino's record. This is a record that Brett Favre, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, PEYTON MANNING before the pass happy era never even sniffed.

Edit: Stafford actually never broke the old record but he did break 5000. Eli never broke either but he rounds out the top 10 all time leaders in a season.

[SB36 on NFLN right now]

LOL the spread zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz that's about as important as the Pro Bowl

[6,000 yards in 2014?]

It will happen soon IMO, and if lame Jim Caldwell wasn't the Lion's coach, I would predict Stafford to be the 1 to do it. I hope he still does it. That will only prove more how worthless stats are sometimes.

[SB36 on NFLN right now]

I said "on paper" because the Pats beat them.

Which goes to show that it wasn't 1 of the biggest upsets in history...because "on paper" was the only place they were better.

[Don Coryell, the man who created the modern NFL]

Not sure you can say Gibbs is a bigger influence when Gibbs is a disciple of Coryell.

 

Not sure you can say Gibbs is a bigger influence when Gibbs is a disciple of Coryell.

 

Gibbs basically invented the concept of having the quarterback hold the football until the last second in the face of the all out blitz, so he could then throw it to a wide open target down field. That's so common now that it's not even an offense or a pholosophy today, it's a basic concept that every quarterback is expected to know and do. In 1991 it was an innovative passing scheme that took the Redskins to the SB when everybody said their glory was behind them and exposed the weaknesses of Buddy Ryan's defense that was considered untouchable.

 

Coryell, Spurrier Bill Peterson (who actually came first) and the slew of other coaches who thought they could just play NFL Blitz and win were on to something but they could never fine tune the playbook to a Tecmo Bowl level that Gibbs could.

[Don Coryell, the man who created the modern NFL]

Bill Belichik hates losing and gets mad when he loses and people go OMGZZZZZZ I CAN'T BELIEVE HIM!

 

Richard Sherman hates losing and gets happy when he wins and people go OMGZZZZZZ I CAN'T BELIEVE HIM!

[Predicting the Season]

Stopped reading when you had the Cowboys winning the NFC East

But in all seriousness, other than the cowboys prediction good work

I stopped when I had to strain my eyes to read the out of order records lol but here's mine (I'm bored).

 

NFC

 

East

Giants - 10-6

Redskins - 9-7 (if RGIII's knee is finally all better)

Eagles - 7-9

Cowboys - 6-10

 

West

 49ers - 13-3

 Seahawks - 10-6

Cardinals - 8-8

Rams - 6-10

 

North

Packers - 6-10

Bears - 5-13

                         { Not really lol...but the Packers will take the junk division once again and go 1 and done

Vikings - 3-13

Lions - 1-15

 

South

Falcons - 10-6

Panthers - 9-7

Saints - 9-7

Bucs - 6-10

 

 

AFC

 

East

Patriots - 11-5

Jets - 9-7

Bills - 7-9

 Dolphins - 5-11

 

West

Broncos - 12-4

Chiefs - 10-6

Chargers - 8-8

Raiders - 4-12

 

North

Ravens - 10-6

Bengals - 10-6

Steelers - 7-9

Browns - 6-10 ( but if Johnny Football comes in at 0-6ish and has a Cinderella season...who knows)

 

South

Colts - 11-5

Jags - 8-8

Titans - 8-8

Texans - 4-12

[Peyton Manning Voted No.1 By The Players]

You don't get it

You are correct. For the 75th time, I see nowhere in a discussion about Tom Brady and Peyton Manning that 2010 Brett Favre belongs.

 

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As for Rodgers, those fanboys have been loonier than the Brady homers for a long time now which is odd after they always blamed their previous quarterback every time they lost.

[SB36 on NFLN right now]

In 2001, the Rams led the league in most points scored AND turn over differential. The last is rarely mentioned or even known. Their defense that year was every bit as good as their O which was virtually unstoppable on turf. If anything, I thought the Rams should have been even bigger favs vs the Pats who were not in the Rams league at least on paper.

They led the league in points because they piled it on against their light schedule (42-17 Colts, 48-14 Panther, 35-0 Lions etc). You even refered to them "on paper" because you know that rarely tells the whole story.

[Peyton Manning Voted No.1 By The Players]

No you don't.

You mean there are more similarities between current Manning/Brady and 2010 Favre that I'm missing? You're right then...

[Peyton Manning Voted No.1 By The Players]

I get it...you don't measure greatness by either a player's final year or current year, especially when those 2 years are the same like it was for Favre in 2010. So until Manning or Brady get a knocked out of multiple games and throw more INTs than TDs it's assanine to compare anything about them to 2010 Favre.

As for Brees and Rodgers, nothing much was different this year there either. Rodgers was 1 and done like usual and Brees kept up his every other year playoff win streak.

[Peyton Manning Voted No.1 By The Players]

What point!?! What do Brady and Manning have in common with 2010 Favre lol!!!!

[Peyton Manning Voted No.1 By The Players]

My point is that things you did in the past have no bearing on how good you are now.

The 2 quarterbacks in question made it to the AFCCG. That's a tad above Favre in 2010.

[Peyton Manning Voted No.1 By The Players]

Did you think Brett Favre was a tier 1 QB in 2010?

Not sure where you're going with that...every quarterback not named John Elway goes out in shambles. It will happen to Brady and Manning too and that final year won't be held against them very much.