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    So when does Eli Manning get benched?

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    Buddy, what are you even arguing at this point? I have never seen so much flip flopping and contradictions. You talked about MVP caliber years of other QBs and then when asked to give Eli's, you can't. So now you throw out Qbs who have multiple rings. Can you even properly defend one point that you make?

    I'm just rolling with your logic. You told me straight up more than once that quarterbacks are paid to win games and that Eli was the reason the Giants lost the games they lost. I said ok, then wouldn't he be the reason won the games that they won? O no no no it doesn't work like that...see he was carried by the defense and stuff. I said well wasn't Brady? O no no no that was different. Talk about flip flopping.

    Jerry Rice: A Football Life

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    Oh stop already. What is the deal with calling me out on a separate thread and putting words in my mouth that I never said? To be clear, I never said Eli was solely responsible for all the Giants losses but I hold him most accountable for their losses last year given his horrific play and believe he should have been benched and will be benched this year if he continues to play at that sub par level. I have no idea why you keep harping on this. Eli helped propel the Giants to their two rings which was an effort largely led by their defensive line. Pretty much everyone attests to this fact when it comes to the two SBs. Eli for sure did his part but his defensive line led the charge. Even he has said that.

    You put Randy Moss over Jerry Rice...and don't want to be called out.

    So when does Eli Manning get benched?

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    Favre, Warner, Marino and others have had disastrous seasons before their additional MVP caliber years. Eli hasn't sunk down as far as those guys at their lowest.

    The devil does Eli have to do be elite (not that I care...just rolling with your logic)? Win a SB? Win 2 SB? Win more SB that Peyton? Beat Brady in a SB?

    So when does Eli Manning get benched?

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    I have no idea what you are talking about at this point. You want to give Eli credit for winning the Super Bowls but yet you say it is a team game therefore he should not be benched for his recent poor play???

    And please stop trying to make everything a Brady comparison. Brady has never thrown more than 14 picks in any one season and averages 11-12 wins a year. Eli has been one of the most inconsistent players despite his two Super Bowl wins. In the end, it is about winning and while the QB is one of 11 players on offense, he also controls the most and when a QB tosses 27 picks to 18 Tds, it is time to re-evaluate the position. That would be true of any player at any position if he was performing at Eli's current level. If anything he is getting more of a pass because of his past success, because his last name is Manning and because the Giants have done a lousy job at back up QB.

    You have said several times that quarterbacks are paid to win games. I don't look at it that way myself but that implies that the quarterback is who wins the game (or else what are you paying him for?). I compare him to Brady because you appear to be a Brady fan. I respect Brady but if there was ever a guy who was handed a free SB or 3...it wasn't Eli.

    So when does Eli Manning get benched?

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    Recently. Yes. All Eli. How many times do you want me to say it?

    Until you either a)figure out that the other people on the field at the same time are just as responsible for the team's recent funk (they're just as responsible for it as the rest of the Patriots were responsible for the SBs that Brady gets all the credit for) or b)figure out that it can only go 1 way. It can't only be the quarterbacks fault when you lose. If they win it has to be his fault to by that logic.

    Besides, they went 7-9, not 4-12 like the Packers did in 2005 before Favre had a couple MVP caliber seasons still. Therefore I wouldn't overhaul the team completely outside of Eli even.

    So when does Eli Manning get benched?

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    Yeah speaking of "luck," it took the Calvin Johnson "catch" and the Bizarro Failmary TIMES TWO (2 reversed touchdowns against MN...can't believe people forget that) for the Packers to even make the playoffs in 2010. Then they got the Bears in the NFCCG whose only playoff opponent was the 7-9 Seahawks. If the Bears would have won the NFCCG, it would have been just as big of a luck out for them.

    In 2009 the Saints won the SB and I don't even have to open that can of worms.

    Besides those 2 years it's been Wilson, Flacco, Eli times 2, Big Ben times 2...and Peyton Manning who is the only guy lately to win it all without taking chances. Sure go ahead and count Brady for the times his team carried him but that was 10 years ago.

    Like it or not, playing God Mode Madden at quarterback looks good statistically but it rarely yields postseason success, let alone a SB. Maybe when Aaron Rodgers gets his playoff record to 5-11 while all those other guys win another ring people will get off this stat obsession.

    Yeah yeah they won't win another one...ok then Kaep and Luck will.

    So when does Eli Manning get benched?

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    Yeah, it was ALL Eli not that great defensive line. Please. Not everything comes down to fandom you know. The Pats have not played the Giants since 2011 and Eli has been awful since then. No playoffs and a ton of turnovers. He can't have another start to this season like he had last season.

    And what about your reasoning for keeping him? Because you want a QB who goes down swinging like Favre did with all those picks at the end of his career? No thank you. Qbs are paid to win not lose games.

    So it's all Eli when they lose and all everything else when they win? Got it. CoughBradycough.

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