BloodyChamp
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You asked about how Carroll feels. I don't think he feels like it was a bad call. He has said anything but.
That was my original point. He'll never say anything but...maybe he will in 30 years on some NFL Films thing like the player who finally admitted that he flung the ball forward on The Holy Roller play that was called a fumble but until then he's going to lie through his teeth (not that I blame him).
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Did anyone suggest that he drew it up knowing that they'd get an INT? Of course not. The question is, did he fall asleep at the wheel and not use his timeouts or did he intentionally not use his timeouts. If you think that not using the timeouts was a brain-fart on his part, you couldn't be more wrong. He had 2 paths he could have taken to try to win that game:
1) Let them score, then try to tie it with the time remaining and win it in OT, OR
2) Try to win it on D by trying to stop them from scoring
He (correctly imo) felt that door #2 was the better option of 2 admittedly low probability options. Once you decide you are going to try to win it by stopping them, then the absolute last think you want to do is stop the clock. Let them run it down as far as they want...that's on Pete. By being terrible at clock management, he narrowed down the Seahawks' offensive options and therefore conversely improved the Pats' chance of defending them. That's all anyone is saying.
See ^^^^^^ even in a attempt to meet halfway you end up implying that that was exactly how it was all drew up because Bill does no wrong.
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Wooooooooo
Someone's not the only dopers on the block, that truck could be anything (Kudos to anyone that gets that reference)
How did everything green turn purple?
Who gets THAT referenece
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I do believe Carroll does not regret the call. I think when you get to his position and have a ring in hand you trust your instincts in that situation. If the play was executed better with Wilson perhaps just throwing it away then we are not having this discussion. Plus, Carroll is not the type to really ever admit fault. Too much ego there like most HCs.
I don't buy anything other than it being the worst call ever. Rationalize it and try to find an idea behind it to make it a good call from any point of view but you'll never be able to. They just effed up royally and it resulted in a break for NE.
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Yeah - it's hard to believe a guy with 40 years of experience and 6 super bowl rings knew what he was doing. Eyeroll.
To the point that he planned on letting Seattle get to the 1 so that he could intercept Wilson? Come on man...
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I don't care what any of them say. Pete Carroll is going to say on The Today Show in a few hours that he doesn't regret that call. Do you believe that too?
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Do you actually believe the drivel you post? I couldn't even read anymore after "Bill knew exactly what he was doing."
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What are you talking about?
I'm talking about how everyone on the Pat's sideline had given up. The Pats fans (except amfootball...kind of) are trying to rationalize and justify the fact that they didn't call timeout at 1:02 and implying that Bill planned on a pass on 2nd down. There was nobody in the world who didn't think Lynch could have ran that ball in, nor was there anybody in the world who didn't think that was the call except for whatever doofus came up with the other call.
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ROFL this thread is greatness. The Pats got as lucky as the Seahawks got brain dead on that last play.
I'm not ripping the Pats for it. Luck is part of it. That's not good enough for Pats fans though which is silly.
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I work at a club in Tallahassee and Peter Warrick is there alot, plus several other players who didn't make it but are still local celebrities and...they could get any piece of tail in that club that they wanted. Meanwhile Warren Sapp is out looking for tricks.
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Interesting question...the opener isn't predictable this year. They usually go with something besides a division game but it's possible that some of the Patriot's other opponents regress. That leaves the Bills in what would be a dramatic showdown which is what the league wants as much as they want a good game.
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We've all watched the games. There's no need for stats. This is 1 of those deals where you had to have just watched the games and we all have. No matter how good Aaron Rodger's quarterback rating is, we know we want Luck, Big Ben and guys like that in the 4th quarter in spite of their quarterback rating and stat nightmares. Ya'll might not admit it but its true.
What I don't like about it is that Rodgers is worse than Favre, who everybody was sick of for these same reasons in his postprime, and who everybody compares Rodgers to (this forum isn't to bad about it but in general...). The games just don't end with interceptions...they just end while Rodgers stands there looking at Mike McCarthyheimer like huh...
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That's 1 of several similar stats. Scott Kacsmar first compiled the stats then his article made the rounds on the internet but it never stuck like everything of this nature concerning Aaron Rodgers. If this were Brady or Manning could you imagine?
He did win a couple big games this year but the Pats game was the second really, really big regular season game he's ever won...ever to go along with the Saints game in 2011. He's won a few other above average games in the regular season like the Chargers and Giants in 2011, beaten a few 8-8 teams and has 1 above average comeback against the Jets.
EDIT: Well that was the original Scott Kacsmar article. I'd just assumed it was an update. Based on this season the stats are a little better but that's about it. I still maintain that if it were any other guy the whole world would be on this nonstop.
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I've heard this too. Now this type of thing has happened - Brett Favre is the noteable example, plus other guys like Jeff George have been victims of the coach prefering to score differently as if scoring alone isn't good enough.
But on the last drive of the Superbowl? This is either totally false or the dumbest thing a coach has ever done.
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I'm not on record supporting that call, so you can find me stating that I did or you can take your straw man back down. As far as Lynch getting in, we just do not know. So quit acting like Lynch would have gotten in. You cannot prove with certainty he would have. Now smh.
Even Bevell in hindsight says-
"Of course I can say now I wish we had done something different. There are 20 different things going through my mind that we can do. If you run it, that doesn't mean you would score on that play."
There were only 3 short yardage plays in this game (2 yards or less) where Seattle called on Lynch to convert on 3rd down. Here they are-
3rd and 2 SEA 24 (10:14) (Shotgun) 24-M.Lynch up the middle to SEA 24 for no gain (91-J.Collins). Punt
3rd and 2 NE 3 (2:22) (Shotgun) 24-M.Lynch right tackle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
3rd and 1 NE 8 (11:51) (Shotgun) 24-M.Lynch left tackle to NE 8 for no gain (50-R.Ninkovich). Field Goal
That's 33% success rate this game short yardage.. This year from the 1 yard line Lynch had 1 TD, 2 runs for no gain, 2 runs for a loss. That's 20% success. In the post season Lynch from the 1 yard line is 1 for 4! That's 25%
Based upon this information, I feel his chances were less than 50% he would have scored. Especially that particular Seattle O group versus Pats Goal line D with 3 corners. And you cannot say he without a doubt would.
I'm not acting. I'm telling the truth. He would have gotten in. Why don't you list all the other plays and underline texts and put things in italics and bold too?
Not that stats even matter...they call him Beastmode because of what he does in clutch situations more than anything else. I don't care if hed had negative 50 yards on the day. From 1 yard out on the final play of the game he's guaranteed.
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Some of you guys are total losers. This may have been Seattle's '4th and 2'...but please, you act like Russel Wilson stood up and underhanded the ball to the Patriots and said "here, take it".
If the play resulted in a touchdown, everyone would be calling it a great playcall since everytone was expecting run. It didnt work out, but the Patriots still had to execute. The game wasnt handed to them, they took it.
You're half right. It's not that they called a pass, but a quick slant. A quick slant is basically a hike and a throw to a spot without looking. They're great in space where guys are playing several yards off but the endzone? None of the guys were playing off because the back of the endzone was an extra defender. On top of that they drew it up for the guy in the middle. If it were 1 of the outside guys maybe but no they called a quick slant from the 1 right in the middle of all the linebackers. It really and truly waa the worst call ever.
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No, I didn't-
"... If he doesn't get in, the Seahawks have to burn their last time out with less than 20 seconds to go "
No reason to burn most all of the last seconds off trying to clock the ball and wasting a down to go with it. So It's 3rd down and lets say 18 seconds, clock stopped. If you run again and fail to punch it in, There's a very good chance that the teams don't un-pile in time for the them to get lined back up on the LOS and the Refs set the ball for play. If you want two plays, you probably have to throw on 3rd down, That way if it is not caught or intercepted (sealing a win one way or the other), the clock stops and there is time for one last play on fourth down. Run or pass, for all of the marbles.
I guess I am having difficulty seeing where clocking the ball is a wise choice with 25 seconds, 1 timeout, and 3 downs left.
Anything is wiser than the call they made. And quit acting like Lynch wouldn't have gotten in smh...
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I've stuck up for Sapp over the years but the * with him. This could put him on the streets. He's since been fired. He has no money and he might be blackballed from broadcasting now.
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Seattle's plan was to give up the short passes and not miss tackles. Now they did miss a few tackles but for the most part the plan worked. They weren't out there against the Rams and they weren't the ones on the field with the game on a silver platter in the final second before giving it away.
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But the clock was running and there was only 25 seconds left at the snap. There is no physical time for Lynch to get the ball 3 times. If he doesn't get in, the Seahawks have to burn their last time out with less than 20 seconds to go. Now they probably have to throw. If they run again and don't punch it in, they likely can't get un-piled and reset for another last attempt. There was no guaranteed TD there, as much as everyone thinks there was.
I stand by my statement that for the O group that was out there and the Goal line group the Pats had out there, the play that was called was the best play available. But my stance is that they should not have run out that offense grouping, Should have went read option group, or go Bigs, but sneak on a quick count. If it fails, call timeout and re-group.
They had a timeout and you've forgot about spiking it.
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Nobody knows what would have happened.
But I know what every single person would have bet on had they gave Lynch 3 chances.
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That's not exposed in today's game and had it been anybody but the Legion of Boom everybody would be blaming the offense.
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ESPN Radio said he'd not lost a yard all night. Even if you are correct, he'd just gotten a few yards the carry before and had 3 chances to get 1 more yard. And also ummmmmm Dustin what said.Really? How about another stat for you then... one that says your claim above is wrong-
*** 3rd and 2 SEA 24 (10:14) (Shotgun) 24-M.Lynch up the middle to SEA 24 for no gain (91-J.Collins) ***
*** 3rd and 1 NE 8 (11:51) (Shotgun) 24-M.Lynch left tackle to NE 8 for no gain (50-R.Ninkovich).
Those stats are what they are. When The D knows Lynch only needs one yard for a TD, they stack up the box and stop him between 55-80% of the time.
Besides, I never supported the call, but Carroll isn't the dud of all time because of it either IMHO. I would have tried a quick QB sneak or a read option play, not a quick slant. But I am at home watching on TV, not from the sidelines.
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It wasn't a bad call, just a horrendous pass. Slants are very high completion usually.
Yeah usually...any time above the defenses 10 yard line. It's not that they called a pass, it's that they called a quick slant. A quick slant is basically a hike then a throw as soon as the quarterback gets it without even looking. Every defender was playing close on account of the old back chalk line is a defender philosophy. Bevell ought to know that.
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See what I mean ^^^^^^