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What would we get in trade if we have a top 3-5 pick? A couple firsts and a second?
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TY for (Martavius Bryant) and a 2nd or 3rd rounder... Roll those crooked dice...
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4 minutes ago, SaturdayAllDay said:
First career NFL sack. Its a big enough deal that you can overlook the young guy maybe going a little overboard.
Agreed. I'll take happiness were i can find it. Watching Basham bash him was nice. We need a little more cockiness-aggression. Cheers
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2 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:
McGlinchey, Landry, and James would be my targets.
Someone will have to sell sell me on the ILB class. I’ve seen up and down reports on guys like Jefferson and Victor. I’ve watched tape on most of the marquee names at the position, but not sure there’s one stud athletic coverage ILB.
Definitely, take out Jefferson and insert James (S). Good call,
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I would consider offers for TY...1st rounder in 2017 would be appreciated. Eagles, Cardinals possibly the Steelers (Bryant and a 3rd rounder...)
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I don't believe we will tank...the other teams will simply be better and win these games. A top 10 pick will get a much needed player. A top 5 pick would give us the option to trade out and acquire possibly another late 1st or 2nd rounder.
With one of the youngest teams...it's time to rebuild...again.
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A. Round 1 will result in one of these at this moment: McGlinchey OT, Landry Edge, James S, McFadden CB
B. Round 2 ideally would then be: Nelson G, Chubb Edge, Lewis Edge, Jones OT, Victor ILB
http://www.drafttek.com/2018-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
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10 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:
Is not arguement. Its fact. Manning led his team to 2 Super Bowls. They don't reach either one without him.
Denver didnt play Osweiler in any playoff games. Manning played and he was 6-0.
I love the Broncos but I dont want you to send our star QB to Denver again
Broncos don't get to either Super Bowl without that Defense and/or Running game either...Defense Primarily.
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6 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:
6 years ago...we released our starting QB because we thought he would never be healthy again, his salary was too high and we had 'so many holes' on offense and defense.
We watched as the guy we gave up led his new team to multiple Super Bowls.
That guy was 35 years old.
Andrew Luck is 28.
That QB, Peyton Manning, was a well below average quarterback in both Super Bowls and only won the second because of that elite defense. He was also injured and missed a few important games (Sat behind a below average QB named Brocky Top) in the SB winning year. Sorry very bad argument...
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8 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:
We cant get any picks for Andrew right now...We would be giving him away just to unload the salary.
All QBs cost $20 to $25 mil...That's today's NFL.
You have to pay the QB..and hope he's not hurt allt he time because they all get hurt (Rodgers, Cam. Mariotta, etc)
Find me anyone in the history of the NFL who was ever trade for two No1 choices. That's fantasy football.
Matt Hassellbeck is one of the Top-20 QBs in the history of the NFL statistically....he was hardly average...
All teams always have lots of holes to fill..It is never a reason to trade an elite player (when healthy) in his prime.
Brissett much better player than Hassellbeck (Colts Version). Didn't have to look very far to answer your question...
RAMS-Jared Goff
"In a stunning move that shakes up the top of the draft and almost ensures that the Rams will be starting a rookie quarterback in 2016, the Tennessee Titans traded the No. 1 pick in the 2016 NFL Draft to the Los Angeles Rams, both teams announced Thursday morning.
The Rams, previously selecting at No. 15, are one of the lowest-picking team in NFL history to trade up to the No. 1 spot. The move, however, did not come cheap.
It is essentially the Rams' karmic payback for fleecing the Redskins back in 2012 for a treasure trove of picks that led to the selection of Robert Griffin III. The terms are as follows: Tennessee gets: Rams' first-round pick (2016), two second-round picks (2016), a third-round pick (2016), a first-round pick (2017) and another third-round pick (2017).
Rams get: Titans' first-overall pick (2016), a fourth-round pick (2016) and a sixth-round pick (2016)."
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12 minutes ago, aaron11 said:
that is insane, nobody is worth 6 first round picks... nobody
lucks contract makes him almost un tradeable, if we did trade him it would be for 2 firsts and maybe a player or a late pick at the most.
the browns do have enough ammo to go after him, but it would probably end up being a bad trade for both teams
He's adding what he thinks we would get for Luck with our own 1st rounders over the next couple drafts... not 6 for Luck
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On 10/20/2017 at 3:08 AM, Blue Shoe Savior 12 said:
Keeping Luck in Indianapolis the Colts can contend in 2018 and beyond.
If they trade Luck away, well then we might not see the Colts become contenders for a very long time.
I think you are still living in the glitz-glamour of the Peyton Manning years...Our Offense was offensive...and entertaining...but we only one 1 Super Bowl in how many years...and that one player played average playoff football. Played average football in all four SBs he appeared in... Would rather have half a dozen first-second rounders to fill the holes and start fresh... We would be a better overall team. Would be back in contention in 1-2 years...
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6 minutes ago, The Fish said:
Comedian Bill Burr has a funny bit about stats and why he hates them. Basically the jist of the joke is that you can twist them to make bad arguments look a little less off.
Nice... I like the quote... “Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.” -Mark Twain
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13 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:
As his prognosis improves, why would we not keep him.?
We cannot draft his replacement. That guy isnt in college.
No one has ever been traded for 3 No.1 picks..and I dont think anyone's ever been trade for 2/
We might get a low 1st round pick from someone like Denver or Minnesota
Because...
1. Putting that player once again behind a shady Offensive line would, as history has shown, cause the player to miss games. play slightly above average football...
2. We have too many holes to fill...on Defense, Offense...
3. Right Now we are paying 20 million for a back that has trended mediocrity and injury.
4. We won with Hassellbeck an average player at ~80% reduced cost...
5. Again, 2 Rd1s...and a 2nd Rounder...
Cheers.
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5 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:
Andrew 2 years ago might have gotten multiple picks but Andrew right now would not draw anybody's No. 1
Nobody gives up a No.1 choice for injured players
I believe there would be a lot of interest in a few months...as his prognosis improves...a lot to be determined...including Brissett's QB play. TBD
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18 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:
Bucky is wrong in his premise.: You probably wont get a single first round draft choice for Andrew Luck at this point. He's hurt.
You couldnt get 6 first and second round picks for our entire offense/
Numbers don't lie but numbers also don't matter.
With limited teammates (and that's being kind), Andrew Luck has never quarterbacked a losing NFL season and has never missed the playoffs in a year when he's played 16 games.
Luck is worth more to the Colts than he would be in trade.
You can make an argument abut anything.
It depends on whether this is real football or fantasy football we're talking about.
I agree/disagree...but as teams would put him through his paces...I believe there would be a lot of interest in a few months...as his prognosis improves... Again, 6 players (RD1 and RD2) and a back-up QB (RD1 or Rd2) to Brissett fills a lot of holes that have been championship killers for the colts.
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8 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:
Has anyone in the history of the NFL ever been traded for 3 No.1 draft choices?
Not players who used to be No. 1 picks 10 years ago......but 3 No.1 draft choices.
Has anyone ever been traded for 2?
Not sure...I was thinking a couple round 1s and a second to go with our own picks...which would tally 7 picks total in 2018-2019 through rounds 1-2. Good question.
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4 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:
Tell us how trading Luck will help the Colts win a super bowl.
Bucky explains it pretty well on the link. 6 First or Second rounders...fill a lot of holes.
That's not to suggest he is a bust or a colossal underachiever, but Luck definitely hasn't played to the narrative that's been attached to his name. He is a sub-60-percent passer with a penchant for turnovers. Say what you want about me being harsh, but the numbers don't lie.
In his NFL career, Luck sports a 59.2 percent completion rate, a 132:68 touchdown-to-interception ratio and an 87.3 passer rating. Those numbers aren't awful, but they're on par with a group of QBs that might surprise you, given all the hype Luck has received ...
Andy Dalton: 62.9 percent completion rate, 149:87 TD-to-INT ratio, 89.0 passer rating, 58-38-2 record.
Alex Smith: 62.3 percent completion rate; 172:91 TD-to-INT ratio, 87.1 passer rating, 84-58-1 record.
Sam Bradford: 62.5 percent completion rate; 101:57 TD-to-INT ratio, 85.1 passer, 34-45-1 record.
Now, I'm not saying those guys are comparable as pure football specimens, but their collective production puts them in the same class. Thus, you could make a reasonable argument that Luck is merely a top-15 quarterback at this point.
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5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
So when he's healthy next season and we win the Division I hope you make a Thread noting it. You cant just trade a Franchise QB that is still in his prime and has great potential who has already proven he can win a ton of games. Quit being silly about this.
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That's not to suggest he is a bust or a colossal underachiever, but Luck definitely hasn't played to the narrative that's been attached to his name. He is a sub-60-percent passer with a penchant for turnovers. Say what you want about me being harsh, but the numbers don't lie.
In his NFL career, Luck sports a 59.2 percent completion rate, a 132:68 touchdown-to-interception ratio and an 87.3 passer rating. Those numbers aren't awful, but they're on par with a group of QBs that might surprise you, given all the hype Luck has received ...
Andy Dalton: 62.9 percent completion rate, 149:87 TD-to-INT ratio, 89.0 passer rating, 58-38-2 record.
Alex Smith: 62.3 percent completion rate; 172:91 TD-to-INT ratio, 87.1 passer rating, 84-58-1 record.
Sam Bradford: 62.5 percent completion rate; 101:57 TD-to-INT ratio, 85.1 passer, 34-45-1 record.
Now, I'm not saying those guys are comparable as pure football specimens, but their collective production puts them in the same class. Thus, you could make a reasonable argument that Luck is merely a top-15 quarterback at this point."\
Sure Will... Go Colts
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On 10/20/2017 at 3:10 AM, Blue Shoe Savior 12 said:
People who want us to trade Luck seriously know nothing about football.
People who are not considering the best possible roster for our team know nothing about the business of winning championships. 20 Million for a player that is has missed more time than I believe any other starting QB over the last few years...Irsay's got the next round, have another... Cheers. Go Colts.
Copying from a previous post...interesting.
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3 hours ago, needanoline63 said:
Gotta see how much brissett improves this season before considering a trade. I’ll be honest, if it’s for a boatload of top picks I wouldn’t mind. Luck is a good quarterback not a great one. He would be great behind a capable offensive line and a more effective run game. We have a lot of positions we need help at though. We need another receiver next year,definitely a starting tightend, a pass rushing OLB, at least one MLB(not giving up on Walker jr), another cornerback, another running back, and we need 4 offensive linemen most importantly. Way to many holes to just rely on a QB who has been physically abused his entire career due to a lack of protection. I’d prefer to keep Luck, but he needs some big nasties in there to protect him. Outside of Ryan Kelly we have no good OL, Castonzo is over rated or should move to RT, he’s no longer a reliable LT
Well Said.
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7 hours ago, Swan Ronson said:
Definitely.
Trade him and spend ten years looking for a replacement.
Solid strategy.
Or build an elite defense and get an above average QB that manages the game well...like Pittsburgh x2 SB wins, Seattle x2 1-1 SB, Ravens x2 Super Bowl wins. Not sure the stats, but how often did-does an elite QB play elite in the SB-Playoffs? (TB in the second half of 2016 SB...) Peyton was average in his four Super Bowls. Aaron Rodgers, IMO the best QB that has played the position over the last ~5-6 years...1 SB and may never see that game again. It's a debatable topic...seems to be proper. Cheers.
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Trade down... We will be able to find what we need in the late 1st and early 2nd...plus whatever pick we pickup.
McGlinchey OT, Jones, OT, Nelson G, CBs...Edge are plentiful.
Hmmmmm....
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