Larry Horseman
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7 hours ago, southwest1 said:
Contrary to popular belief, I deplore this hire. Phil-bin doesn't instill confidence in the men around him at all either as a coordinator or head coach. I agree with Ricker182. I just don't see this move leading to more protection for Luck at all.
Yes, I know. SW1 was totally wrong about retaining Pagano & Grigson too so I realize that my track record on the direction of the Colts is worthless & way off.
I just am familiar with GB football a lot & inspirational is not an adjective I would use to describe Joe. Perhaps, he is excellent at alignment & gap control along with edge containment but I'm not overly optimistic right now.
I'm open to being pleasantly surprised though. I was just never enamored with Joe personally. Usually good communicators make good coordinators & Joe is bland at best, but then again Chuck Noll won multiple championships for Pittsburgh too so what the hades language can be overrated occasionally I guess.
He does come off as a a wet blanket. That said, he brings years of OL coaching experience, as well as OC and HC experience. He needs to dial in a unit, not the whole offence or team, and also can support Chud in schemes and game planning. I feel good about him having that role. It's an upgrade.
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16 hours ago, peytonmanning18 said:
He didn't seem to relate to players very well in Hard Knocks but I think it's a good hire.
He's not HC material for sure.
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Not sure how anyone could think this is a bad hire, but I'm sure some will find a way...
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19 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:
It is much deeper than collins, which is exactly why you shouldn't shy away from a 22 year old making demands. Why is it that we are closing off groups of prospects because he has baggage, and basically turn around and let him call the shots? Do any of you have any "chips" at all? It's a SEVENTH round pick!
It is fine you think the Colts should have went after, and I wouldn't have been opposed to using a 7th round pick on him, regardless of if he sat out, was convicted, or played. That said, it would not have been the most prudent decision to use a 7th round pick on him and I'm also not opposed to the Colts choosing not to draft him. I'm basically neutral on the matter.
All I'm saying is that Grigson should not be criticized for not using a 7th on Collins--no GM in the league used a pick on him. I almost have a feeling there was a gentlemen's agreement to not draft him. Feel free to criticize Grigson for failing to improve the o-line, however criticizing him for not trying or not drafting Collins is unfair. Criticize him for failing on his attempts to address the OL, which is indeed a huge black eye on his resume.
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1 hour ago, bababooey said:
"Protect 12"
If that wasn't written on his desk then I wouldn't hold it against him. But it was, and he didn't, and we got to suffer through this season and watch the playoffs from home.
The issue is much deeper than Collins. Stop fixating on one decision that every other GM in the league made.
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23 minutes ago, bababooey said:
More likely than not the first round talent will perform better than the 7th round talent. Did you see any Collins clips this year?
Look, every team in the NFL, even the Cowboys passed on Good in every round of the draft.
You cannot hold this over Grigson's head. There are many legitimate things to complain about, but this isn't one. Leave it alone already.
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Like moving from Pep to Chud, it seems like the move from Manusky to Monachino will bring less complicated game plans/play books. I think both Pep and Manusky tended to overcomplicate on a regular basis, making players think instead of play, which was a contributing factor to playing inconsistent from quarter to quarter and game to game.
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No doubt the black eyes of the Pags era are blow outs and slow starts. I can't help but think it is a combination of both coaching and players. Luck has been a better second half player every year except his rookie year, which could be an anomaly or speak to coaching (i.e., BA instead of Pags/Pep): http://www.nfl.com/player/andrewluck/2533031/situationalstats?season=2012
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3 minutes ago, PeterBowman said:
and bring back Gilbert Gardner while we're at it
better yet, Keyunta Dawson at NT.
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3 minutes ago, Superman said:
Good point. However, guaranteed contracts for hot assistants are less of an issue because the guarantee is offset by their next contract with their new team. In other words, we could have signed Chud for four years, fired him after a year, and wound up not owing him anything as long as he got a new job (which he likely would).
We'll probably find out what's up shortly. Shouldn't take two weeks to finalize the coaching staff.
I just sent a tweet to a bunch of Indy media seeing if they knew what was up...perhaps they will share any info...or not since my importance on Twitter is somewhere around the dumpster, or actually not even since a dumpster actually serves a good purpose. Ha.
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8 minutes ago, Superman said:
Probably a foregone conclusion.
But let's assume Chud isn't under contract for 2016. (It's my understanding that expiring assistant coach contracts are done as of the first Tuesday after the season; not 100% on this.) Given the drama and contention, he could be holding out for certain assurances before agreeing to come back -- commitment to adding good OL, maybe asking for a new OL coach, etc.
However, I've been working under the assumption that Chud's new contract was a multi year deal. Not based on anything but my own thinking. The fact that they haven't announced any change at OC is significant to me. They got rid of the other coordinator quickly. Why let Chud hang in limbo?
I have it was a two-year deal in my head, but can't find anything to back up the length. Good point about not announcing a change...perhaps they think it goes without saying he is the OC since they haven't stated otherwise? I would still think they'd want to lock him down for at least 4 years...
Edit: I was thinking the contract he signed last January was for 2 years, but maybe not since that would not have aligned with Pags. I'm sure we will get clarity in the next couple weeks.
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Thanks for posting this. He could still stay on the staff and go back to his old position. Two reasons it hasn't been confirmed: 1) they are working on a new contract (prob 4 years); 2) they are exploring other options and Chud is OK with going back to his old position.
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3 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:
I wish I could...
Guys like Larry Coyer are important though, they remind you it could always be worse because you could bring him back...
No doubt. Him, Caldwell, and Clyde were quite the trifecta. The more I reflect on those years, the more amazing 09 (and even 10) are...
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3 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:
Larry Coyer is on line one for you.
You had to go there? I'd blacked that out...
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SB win, PM and Irsay presser, and pregame PM return tribute. It was so fantastic we won that game.
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Anyone else wonder if these guys were the leaks/sources? Media obviously won't go there but it popped in my mind...
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13 minutes ago, theanarchist said:
?.....I'm not sure what you meant by that but I'll guess that you meant that Grigson might think that Chuck is in over his head and therefore meddles in the coaching decisions?
I'll respectfully disagree with your thinking that another coach would be OK with this.
I'll clarify. Grigs is abrasive and bully-ish, Chuck is the opposite. Grigs thinks Chuck is not a good HC, Chuck thinks the opposite. This whole relationship thing isn't rocket science. Business is about relationships and Grigs and Chuck are miles apart at this point. One or both have to go and relationships are always a two way street so both are to blame.
I think the meddling in coaching decisions in overblown/under analyzed by Holder (he is terrible, IMO). There's not some Irsay/Grigs agreement that he has say in X,Y,Z when it comes to who starts on Sundays. Again, whatever meddling took place is most likely a result of a lack of confidence and trust between the two parties and the two parties being new to their respective positions. The meddling in and of itself isn't significant. The fact it points to a poor relationship is what is significant. I would state without knowing but with great confidence, that every GM in the league states who they would like to have on the field, and how much sway that has varies from team to team (just like every coach states who they would like on the roster, and how much sway that has varies from team to team). In a healthy relationship there is give and take from both parties; a willingness to listen and respond; and the ability to state when you were wrong and move forward. It is obvious that Grigs and Chuck don't have that, but we don't know the full extent as to why that is the case.
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14 minutes ago, Myles said:
That must be new. He didn't used to do that.
I would question if he left stuff off the wrong segment and added to the right segment.
I never thought he was a smart guy.
To each their own...he's not your flavor...I like and respect him. We can move on.
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I think it boils down to Grigson being difficult to work with and Grigson really thinking/observing that Chuck is in over his head. Grigson might get along fine with another personality. I don't believe the no coach would want to work with Grigson nonsense. I do believe Chuck and Grigson are not a good pair.
Chuck is gone, and I 100% support that. He doesn't have the tools to take the team to the next level. I supported him until this season. I'm on the fence about Grigson. To me, I think the staff failed to develop young players, more than young players having no talent. The best course of action, IMO, is Irsay hiring a new coach and then making a decision on Grigson based in part on that coach's desires.
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18 minutes ago, Myles said:
Isn't that stating the obvious. Most people I know questioned if the Colts could win a game without Peyton.
From what I have found when I listened to him from time to time (I haven't in years now), is that he makes a point every day to bring up stuff that he was correct on and never even mentions what he is wrong about. Giving the perception that he is usually correct. And when he is right, it is usually the obvious things.
In fact, I bet he has had a show where he said something like:
"I told you Manziel was going to be trouble. I knew it. I was right".
Actually he does a when Colin was right, when Colin was wrong segment each week. He's a polarizing personality and I understand why people don't like him, but he is a smart guy with interesting takes who is willing to take his lumps when needed.
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5 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:
I agree 100%. My question to anyone who's vehemently so against it: who's a better option?
I'd much rather have Chip than Gruden, Cower, or Payton (common names around here).
4 minutes ago, chad72 said:Does anyone here think we may go after Hue Jackson, OC of the Bengals, for a head coaching position? I feel he might be a good hire. No one, I repeat, no one did well for the Raiders for the longest time due to their lousy QB play, and Hue Jackson was no different.
I'm a big fan of Hue and think the Colts should give him a look for sure. He was .500 with Oakland.
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Chip is one of the brightest coaches in the league. He made mistakes, especially wanting roster control, but he's the type of dude who learns from mistakes. Based on available options and Chip's upside, I think he warrants serious consideration and I will be fine with hiring him. I think he will thrive in his next HC gig after making note of what worked and what didn't in Philly. He's not an egomaniac; he's confident and uncomfortable talking to the media.
Peyton to Belichick: "This might be my last rodeo."
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Aside from the Colts winning the SB, nothing will please me more than PM getting a W and retiring. He deserves a second ring and to end his career on top. I think his legacy will only diminish if he keeps playing, and the story book ending always raises a players legacy. This is the time...let's go PM, and more importantly, Broncos D!
On another note, it makes me puke in my mouth to think of Gary Kubiak as a SB champ...but at least it isn't with the Texans.