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59 minutes ago, Shive said:
4. RW's concerns were all height related. The notion was that if he was a few inches taller, he would have been a top pick.
5. This was one of the first things I noticed as well. He could just stand up straight and flat-footed in a clean pocket. That won't happen in the NFL and I wonder how easily that lazy footwork could be cleaned up.
One thing is apparent with Gordon though; his release is lightning fast. He's got a lot of talent and if he can develop well, he could be really good.
Actually, the way Gordon stands flat-footed and motionless in the pocket reminded me of Tom Brady.
Obviously he'd have to work on footwork, but he stands there just like Brady does.
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To be fair, the guy followed that podcast with one interviewing one of Gordon's teammates and buddies who said he was dead wrong and that he thought Gordon was better than Minshew.
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31 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:
I wouldn't take Fromm even if the Patriots gave the Colts one of their first rounders next year.
based on what?
i've watched him play. I don't know if his arm is strong enough. We'll get a better idea of that at the combine and in workouts.
but he plays like a GOOD pro qb. sees the field, works through progressions fast and doesn't panic.
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No offense, but it would be better to study 1978 through 1998 to determine how to create a Super Bowl contender.
That was the distance between Bert Jones and Peyton Manning.
If you have a QB, you have a darn good chance of building a sustained winner, and a shot at a Super Bowl.
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4 hours ago, PuntersArePeopleToo said:
Since 1997, the Colts have never made the playoffs in a year in which the same QB did not start in all 16 games. In that same time, the Colts missed the playoffs only twice when that happened (1998, 2001). In their entire Indianapolis History the Colts have made the playoffs 3 seasons when that was the case including a strike year (1987) and the back to back (1995, 1996). While this doesn't mean much, I found it interesting as that means in my lifetime (Born 1997), the Colts need the same qb to start all 16 games. Even 15/16 doesn't do it and we seem to miss the playoff by one game at that point.
Also, since I started watching the Colts in 2005ish the Colts have made the playoffs every year that the Colts QB started all 16 games.
yeahhhh but, all of those playoff teams were qb'd by either Peyton or Luck, right?
it's not just being healthy, it's having a HOF qb
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1 hour ago, Matabix said:
Personally I would go after a #1 WR or hope one of the top 2 LTs fall to us. Than top dl in 2nd. Than start trading picks for next years draft.
Give JB 1 more year with healthier receivers. If it don't work we can get Lawrence, and might not have to trade future picks.
To get Lawrence, you're going to have to have the first pick in the draft. You're going to have to lose 14-15 games. That's not going to happen with this Colts team.
that's why you can't just wait around assuming you'll get a QB down the line.
if you don't have the "one" you have to be actively trying to GET the "one."
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10 hours ago, Rackeen305 said:
I put Jay Cutler and Phillip Rivers at the same table. You act like Rivers is better than Russel Wilson, or even Desean Watson, or even Jimmy G. All these QBs are great. Not so much Rivers.
No no no no no. I live in San Diego. Rivers has been a damn good QB. MUCH better than Cutler. C'mon man. That's just silly. Rivers has been the best player on the Chargers forever. They've been riding him forever without a lot of help. He's had some good players with him, but he's been the man.
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By the way, there were a lot of experts who didn't think peyton would be peyton. Mechanical, not enough arm, etc etc
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Just sayin. Different positions have vastly different values.
LOVE Q. Love him. But if you think Burrow could be a franchise QB? It's a no brainer.
Burrow is not Elway. Elway was th esurest thing in the history of the draft.
All said, I don't think Bengals would be tempted by the offer
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On 1/3/2020 at 10:38 AM, WarGhost21 said:
There is valid thought process in the idea, sure, but Big Q is already a top 15 Offensive player in the league, not just along the line. He’s a top 5 offensive player under the age of 25. With a QB, even Burrow, there are question marks in the draft. Q is not a question mark, he’s an exclamation point. The risk just isn’t worth it IMO
This is is an interesting mind game. anyone here old enough to remember the Elway debacle? we ended up trading him for a hall of fame OT and QB chris herman. How'd THAT work out?
pretty great for Denver. pretty horrible for us.
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Eason's pretty accurate --- from the pocket. Not nearly as much if he's pressured. I think PFF had some stat saying his effectiveness dropped by two thirds when pressured. He's impressive when he has a clean pocket.
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This might sound weird, but we could experiment with Banogu at the three technique on passing downs. He was incredibly effective rushing from the inside rather than the edge, both on college and with us.
Gotta tell ya, I feel like getting a pass rushing DT is like our unicorn. We've been talking about getting one since the Manning years and they're nearly impossible to find. More flameouts than QBs.
On the subject of "fast," check out tape of Penn state WR kj hamler. Holy! Dude's not only FAST, he's fast from his second step!
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My nightmare is he ends up getting drafted by the Patriots--- and he goes on to become a cross between Brady and rogers!
Remember, I said nightmare. Not saying that comparison is even possible ...
Want some perspective on all of this? Google "quarterbacks drafted by year." Sooooo many names, even in the first round who never made it...
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Tell you what. I don't know if Gordon's game can translate up to the pros, whether he's big enough, or whether he can't play in a more NFL like system.
but he is absolutely the most fun to watch of all the QBs in this draft. the way he moves around in the pocket, heck, sometimes i've seen him hide behind an OL, most guys just start running --- period. he's got a little Tarkenton in him. And then, he throws the ball like he's playing baseball, wings it from all angles.
the thing I think he does better than any of the other QBs i've watched this year is he throws guys open. he can drop the ball into the most ridiculous spots --- and he leads guys really well, they never break stride. He's fun.
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QB is the most important position in football --- by a longshot.
yes, you need to build a good team. But, if you have a good quarterback you're relevant. Bad QB, you're totally irrelevant.
it's been that way for a loooooong time now.
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there's no doubt you don't want to force picking a QB in the draft. Just go back over the QBs drafted over the last 10 years, you'll find lots of first-round flame-outs.
However, without a top-flight QB, you're also irrelevant.
You HAVE to chase a QB --- one way or another.
I don't care if you have the freakin 1976 Steeler's defense.
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In a heartbeat.
I honestly don't understand all the Fromm animus. He looks and plays like an NFL quarterback even if the Georgia offense doesn't really help him.
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On 12/20/2019 at 10:16 AM, EastStreet said:
Fromm was surrounded by lots of NFL talent at WR last year, when he threw 30 tds and 6 picks. This year was different. they had a whole new cast of young receivers who didn't play that well. he had one good receiver, dude named Cager, but he went down mid-season and Fromm struggled.
i still see a little Drew Brees in him, but Brees was in a pass-heavy offense at Purdue. If you go back and look at Fromm last year, he did a better job of striding through his throws. this year he was pretty much winging it off his back foot. I think a good QB coach could fix that.
Herebert deserves a little slack. His supporting cast of pass catchers is very down from previous Oregon teams. He had pretty good games vs USC and Washington, which are their two historical big games. He even played well (not lights out) vs Utah and Auburn.
Fromm is surrounded by so much talent it's obscene. He's got three 5 star WRs catching balls, and one lesser star (Cager) that is a monster possession threat. That's on top of one of the best OLs and RB groups in the league. He'll be exposed early if he ever gets a start. Had they kept Fields, they'd be playing for a NC this year.
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Fromm reminds me a little of Drew Brees, except that Brees ran a really passing-friendly offense at Purdue.
Watching Fromm, I feel like he throws off his back foot, all arm and doesn't step through on a lot of his throws. I think he could be a candidate for reworking his throwing motion if he comes out for the draft. If he stepped through, i think it improve his accuracy and put another 5 yards on his deep throws.
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The one thing that makes it really hard to evaluate Gordon is that he gets SO MUCH time to throw in WSU's offense.
I swear I've seen him standing back there 7 to 8 seconds in a bunch of games.
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I'm old. Been a Colts fan since 1970. Here's what I know from watching football for nearly 50 years. QB is the MOST important position. The Colts wandered in the losing wilderness for 20 years between Bert Jones and Peyton Manning. There were flameouts --- trading Elway, drafting Schlicter, drafting George. There were years of Chandlers, Trudeaus, Pagels --- and always, losing. We got one great year with a slightly above average QB, Harbaugh.
But you want sustained winning? You need a really good QB. You are always looking for a QB.
Draft one high. Don't count on getting lucky. I'd be knocking on Luck's door. If it's shut I'd be drafting one. One that can throw. I like Brissett, but you can't win in the NFL throwing for less than 200 yards a game.
I like Eason's arm. Love is physically impressive. I think Fromm could be better if he stepped through his throws instead of winging it off his back foot.
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23 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
Sweat was off the Colts board. As he was with most teams. That’s why he fell to pick 26. Otherwise he’d have been drafted in the top-10/12.
Ballard didn’t have the choice of drafting him or not.
Of course he did. We don't KNOW for sure if the Colts took Sweat off their board for medical or any other reason. Other teams did not. He was available. I like the Banogu move. But if Sweat has a pro bowl career, this will be revisited.
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I talked about this in the Ballard's draft post. It's definitely the defining decision of this year's draft. You could have picked the exact same players EXCEPT stayed at 26 and picking Sweat instead of getting 49 (and a 2 next year) and picking Banogu.
It's interesting. NFL.com did combine breakdown of the most athletic players and Sweat and Banogu tied at 99. Sweat was faster, but Sweat was more explosive in other areas.
Here's what I think watching the video game clips of both guys. Sweat is first and foremost a pass rusher --- a "going forward" guy. I think that Banogu is much more athletic moving backward and side to side. Ballard hinted that this was a consideration when he said they're toying with the idea of moving Banogu all around, at SAM, at Mike, as a pass rusher.
I think he's much more of a chess piece than Sweat.
But Sweat could be a double-digit sack guy down the road. That's what this draft could be defined by years from now.
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It was a gutsy and unusual draft. I honestly don't remember any GM saying, in effect, "talent was second in some of our analysis, we were MORE concerned with character and not wrecking the unique chemistry we have in our lockeroom."
We could have had the EXACT same draft with one exception --- we could have stayed at 26 and drafted Montez Sweat instead of having 49 and choosing Banogu.
I'm on board, but that will be interesting to track in the coming years.
Jacob Eason
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Certainly is exciting to watch him let 'er rip. We haven't had a dude with an arm like that since Bert Jones back in the day.
I think he could be very good.