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42 minutes ago, shasta519 said:
Good. Call it a mistrial and try again next year.
to quote the bard, "that way madness lies..."
if you think we can just kick the can down the road and count on being one of the two worst teams in the league next year, then hope that both caleb williams and drake maye toss their hats in the ring...
man...
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15 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:
Cowherd thinks the Colts will trade back to accumulate more draft picks and basically tank the season to get their QB next year. He says he could see Irsay and Ballard coming up with this plan and Steichen signing off on it.
.... I doubt it. Every year, the "experts" say that next year's QB class is better than than current class. ( Are they soothsayers?)This year's class is so average that the first 4 picks might be QBs.
Well, you can count me in the "that would be incredibly stupid" side of Cowherd's argument.
I'm also a Washington Wizards fan. For years they thought all they had to do to turn the corner was to save up all their free agency money and clear up cap space so they could sign home-town kid Kevin Durant.
They still haven't recovered.
When you have a shot at a QB you take it. Again --- it was TWENTY years between Bert Jones and Peyton Manning...
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8 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Strange indeed.
groupthink...
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not sure any of them do.
Peyton was one of the best rookie QBs ever.
and he threw 26 picks and we went 3-13 his first year. On a team with bookend OTs, Marvin Harrison and Marshall Faulk.
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2 hours ago, masterlock said:
You would need to define "success" based on data. (see below)
There have been various statistical analyses done. For example, the Draft Network published an analysis that looked at bust rate of QBs from 2000 through 2020. According to this analysis, the hit rate for drafting a successful quarterback in rounds 2 - 7 is around 10 percent. The bust rate for 1st rounders, regardless of position, is very much correlated to draft position, with the bust rate being 40% for the first-overall pick, and well over 50% for picks 2 - 32.
Someone named Warren Ludford published a few excellent analyses (here and here), drawing on historical data from Pro Football Reference that showed only around 8% of players really make much of a difference beyond replacement value.
So yes, the "experts" are wrong most of the time.
But even using these stats---we'll assume they're right for now--- I'll take a 50-50 chance of a hit over a 10% chance any day of the week.
So, draft a QB in the first round...
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15 minutes ago, FalseStart said:
Caps… Snarky. A DE can lead to a Super Bowl… Miller, Freeney, Taylor, etc… more snark… 50% of the time we get it right every time.
Hey man, I loved Freeney. But he did not lead us to a Super Bowl. You can make the argument that Bob Sanders did...
Only used all caps cuz I didn't see the italics up there. No snark intended. We just disagree. I disagree on this issue strongly. When you are so bad you get a top 5 pick and you don't have a QB, in a draft where most observers are saying there are four potentially good ones... well
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1 hour ago, FalseStart said:
Brady, Purdy, Rogers, Wilson… you never know where you will find that guy
okey doke.
The distance in years between Brady and Wilson is 12 years; Brady and Purdy? 22 years. (Rodgers? Green Bay? he was a 1st round draft choice.
I UNDERSTAND what you're saying. Johnny Unitas was signed off the street. BUT --- I will continue to argue your odds of finding a really good QB is MUCH greater in round 1 (and LOW round 1) than hunting for one in 2 through 7.
I really don't want to wait for 12 to 20 years to find relevancy. (By the by, that 20 years? that's how long it was between Bert Jones and Peyton Manning. that's a looooooong time.) But hey, an all pro DE will lead us to a Super Bowl...
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37 minutes ago, FalseStart said:
At this point, Will Anderson. If Carter is there, trade back and build an amazing defense. Find QB after Ryan’s contract ends in 2024 draft or FA. Might be able to find enough guys to replace Okereke, Moore, Campbell, or whoever we lose in FA. Cheers
It's just delaying the inevitable. Find a QB later. We've been punting since Andrew retired.
We haven't had a pick this low in round 1 since 2012. Swing away on the position of biggest need.
Unitas, Jones, Peyton, Luck.
or Domres, Hogeboom, Chandler, Trudeau...
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Did not see that one coming.
Anyone have "kicker" in the pool?
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1 hour ago, chad72 said:
Again, a friendly reminder, Peyton Manning is the only QB drafted at No.1 that won a SB with the team that drafted him.
The other No.1 picks that won a SB - Eli, Elway, Stafford all went to a team that didn’t draft them and won a SB, which Peyton also did. Others like Goff, Burrow, Cam Newton made it to the SB but didn’t win.
Russell Wilson and Drew Brees are the only 2 QBs drafted (since the unicorn Brady started winning SBs in 2001), not drafted in Round 1 that have won a SB in the last 20 plus years.
C'mon man. Elway and Eli never played a down for any other team than the one that had them first.
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well, looks like Young and Stroud are gone now...
carolina makes the move
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1 hour ago, krunk said:
Levis might actually be the pick for real though. He gives a nice blend of being able to run the Philly offense along with being able to be an efficient drop back passer. He can also gun it deep. Hes not a better passer than Stroud but i think he can improve. Hes got upside over Stroud when it comes to being able to design different styles of QB runs. Strouds still my #1 but i could get behind a Levis pick. My only concern is he seemed a bit arrogant to me at the combine. Hoping hes not the type to keep bad relationships with team mates. As i listened to more of his talks i was less concerned though. Maybe he was nervous early on.
Everything I've read says they LOVE him in Kentucky. Not heard any problems with leadership.
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7 minutes ago, DougDew said:
Mahomes makes his living on agility.
So far, its like AR has excelled at the stuff that doesn't matter that much for a QB. Its great, but how much does what he did thus far help him play the position.
Well, one other thing Richardson does REALLY well is feel pressure and move in the pocket. I like all four of these guys but richardson seems from vids to have a better feel in the pocket than Levi's. What we don't know is how well he processes and feels defenses
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4 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
I am so sick of people saying he seems to cocky. Enough with quiet nice players. We need some fire on this team.
Funny. Everyone loves that story about Peyton telling Polian and the Colts in his pre draft interview that if they didn't pick him he'd be "kicking their *" twice a year...
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38 minutes ago, Dingus McGirt said:
Man, Levis throws so well.
The other thing that Josh McCown (long time NFL QB, recently hired by the Panthers I think) noted about Levis' throwing motion was how compact it is. No big windup. Makes it easier for him to throw from a smaller pass pocket...
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1 hour ago, Lurk McGurk said:
It really does feel like it's too obvious from both teams perspectives to not get a deal done.
Speculating further, it just occurred to me that maybe the Bears are trying to pressure the Texans to get the deal done now, so that the Bears have more time to find trade partners and get max value for #2 after they flip picks with the Texans. They'd be able to have deals done in advance, contingent on the guy a team wants being there at #2. I'm really thinking that may be part the thought process here.
Just for context, Ballard traded their 1st round pick a few years back on March 18th---- well ahead of the draft
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2 minutes ago, krunk said:
They are looking at all the injuries. The guy was on national TV on the ground shaking.
We're livin in a new era of NFL with all of the advances in understanding the true toll of the sport on athletes, not just their bodies, but CTE. Combine that with the fact that top NFL players can earn enough in their young years that they can afford to step away from the game. We've seen a LOT of really good players step away early, like Andrew, like Patrick Willis, Luke Kuechly. Tua having a number of concussions. They have to be ready...
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32 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:
Theres not much we can do about Houston. They are picking ahead of us and have the picks to out bid everyone else including us
We have to be open to more than just one guy because the texans could get him and we dont have the trade assets to get in front of them if they really want to go all in
The fact that we could be bidding against a division rival --- in a division that already has trevor lawrence in it ---- is what has Chicago licking its chops.
This could be a defining moment for Ballard. He hasn't HAD to draft a QB this far in his career. Hard to tell which way he'd go based on his Colts drafting. Eason and Ehlinger couldn't be further apart as types. Eason was all traits --- size and arm. Sam was considered lacking traits--- arm strength, size, accuracy. He was all heart, playmaking, leadership.
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16 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
Talent wise Leaf had the talent. He was addicted to pain killers and suffered mental illness. If I remember correctly Lawrence Taylor was addicted to alcohol and cocaine and the league and the Tuna ignored it.
Just saying
No man. I lived here when he was drafted. The painkillers thing was years later. He had personality issues for sure. Turned off teammates and then started playing REALLY badly. Had a horrific game against the chiefs and his career fell apart
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3 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:
I think if you’re having to go back roughly 50 years to make a point, I think there are problems. The NFL has changed dramatically several times over the decades. The league is entirely different these days.Then drew Brees and russel wilson. They are contemporary. Finally, this just for debate. If everyone is absolutely positive young is just too small, then why are scouts and clubs and GMs still talking about at the top of the draft. Why not just all say "wouldn't touch him until round 2 or 3"?
I'm not not pushing for him. I'm still more comfortable with a bigger prospect. Especially after luck. But he's a really interesting prospect.
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7 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
The average size of the players has risen tremendously since any one of these players has played. Players across the board are taller, heavier and alot faster. Stands to reason the QB position has to evolve according.
But there are outliers. Brees, russell wilson. And they were SB terrific QBs. Young is definitely a conundrum...
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1 hour ago, cdgacoltsfan said:
Can you name a successful NFL QB with Young's physical size? Height and weight.
Fran tarkenton.
Drew brees
I don't think Brian Sipe was very big
Joe Theisman was listed at 6 foot 195
Johnny U was 6'1" 190
There have been some. Just not many in recent history
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Get ready to bust a gut jonjon
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9 minutes ago, philba101 said:
Yes, you would have to pay Fields sooner. The trade off would be possibly skipping the two years that it typically takes a drafted QB to develop. We know that Fields can play on the NFL level. We don't know this about any of the draftees yet. If you draft a QB and then after 2-3 years you realize he is a miss, then you will be back to square one again.
hear what you're sayin, but some would argue that Fields really hasn't developed THAT much at this point. He played well this year, but still has a lot of work to do as a passer, I think.
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.... I doubt it. Every year, the "experts" say that next year's QB class is better than than current class. ( Are they soothsayers?)This year's class is so average that the first 4 picks might be QBs.
Colts have 4th pick (Official Discussion Thread)
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foolishness. sorry. I've been a fan since I was 13 in 1970. there were 20 years between Bert Jones and Peyton Manning. And we were bad for almost all of them...
Here's my truism from 40 plus years of fandom. If you don't have a big-time QB, you should be trying to draft one EVERY year until you get one. You're not relevant without one. You're not getting married. You're building a team. hopefully one with about a 7-10 year window to compete for a Super Bowl.
If you pick one and miss, pick again...
Not having a QB is a little like being at bat, 3-2, bases loaded, bottom of the ninth.
You HAVE to swing. Otherwise you have no hope...