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3 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:
Hey you know what we should have done? Send our backup DT Eric Johnson on a fly route.....nobody wouldve expected that.
Cmon man.
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6 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
Should have punted
if we are using hindsight, then had he made it, we could have tied at the end instead of going for it on 4th and 1. He had just made a 50 plus yarder at the end of first half. It had the distance, just a few inches too far right.Steichen trusts his players. What else is he supposed to do?
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2 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:
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My last post on the playcall.
hindsight- it’s 20/20 vision. Everyone uses hindsight following plays and games. But hindsight doesn’t matter on a playcall, what matters is logic. Shane Steichen called in to Minshew to try and draw the defense offsides after 3rd and 2 fell well short. Try and draw them off ,take the timeout. Gives us a moment to see how they line up and discuss it going into the timeout. What does that discussion look like? Well for one, JT getting stuffed for no gain or not enough to get that first down on 4th, not just once or twice on that very drive, but four times. Take running off the table as a low percentage chance with the look the defense gave. What look? Man coverage with what, 7/8 guys stacked in tight?
What is a high percentage chance? Goodson in the flat. Not expected, Pittman picking, have practiced it flawlessly. How many coaches discussed this? More than just Steichen in his head. Analytics, scooter, minshew all in on the discussion during a lengthy timeout. Play was wide open as designed. The throw and catch was not as designed. That isn’t a playcall issue, that’s a player execution issue. “Well playcall and execution are one and the same.”only in hindsight. The logical thing is to think through this analytically and without prejudice of using hindsight that it wasn’t executed or that it would have been higher chances of success doing something differently. It wouldn’t have been. They used logic to design an open play concept and it worked, except for the execution of two players.
“Jonathan Taylor had 188 yards and is your best player. He should have been catching that ball” - Well, would it be open, or keyed on forcing the decision further into Minshew’s hands? Would he catch it? Idk, he has a bad thumb and now a bum heel. He ran out of bounds conservatively twice on this set of downs instead of sticking his nose in and gaining the necessary yards to avoid this situation. Can he even get us another yard? What was his comments like coming off the field? These aren’t things we even know, but the coaching staff does and they weighed it all and called a perfectly designed and well prepared play that failed only because the throw and catch weren’t executed.
From here, hindsight can be used as a piece of data. We now know that play to Goodson isn’t as high percentage as we thought. Find someone new, because it still works as a playcall with a qb/pass catcher that can execute it. But it didn’t work as data last night because the data they had on it was from practicing it which by Minshew’s accounts was perfect.
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11 minutes ago, ArmchairQB said:
The person you’re responding to has been trying to push this same narrative all over the board today.
He’s just grumpy. I think we all are today.-
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2 minutes ago, OLD FAN MAN said:
nick caserio for gm of the year in 2 seasons turned the texans from last in our division to the rulers of our division for years to come. ballard meanwhile has us after 7 seasons still has us going south
love you old man- but, he’s got CJ stroud. Every single player and coach said it- he was everything to them this year.
and I didn’t realize going from the 4th pick in the draft to a couple of plays away from a division title with a backup qb is heading south. Living in different world than you I suppose-
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1 minute ago, ShuteAt168 said:
Sure, Strong, fans disagree with you so they must lack logic. There is plenty of room for different opinions about this play.
I’ve seen more contradiction from the fans arguing about this play than I’ve ever seen seen on this forum. Hence the logic statement.
It was also a sarcastic joke. lol. But go on with the butt hurting
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4 minutes ago, chad72 said:
We shall never get past those Memes
Almost a 4th & 1 short of the playoffs is next.
tough pill to swallow.Just now, DoubleE Colt said:On a side note I don't think Lawrence has lived up to his hype......
Lawrence just watched a rookie fly by him as the one to chase in this division… and he’s got two more that are going to be catching up quickly-
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2023 Almost division champions
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Just now, DougDew said:
Goodson was wide open and across the FD line. Seems like the play caller did a great job.
It’s too much logic for a lot of posters on this forum doug. We’ve been pounding it for hours.-
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I woke up this morning- after very little sleep- feeling pretty good about the future of Colts football. No uncertainty at head coach, just lots of film and learning to do this offseason for him, maybe some assistant coaching decisions… no uncertainty at who our qb is going to be in 2024. Pretty good core of guys to build on.
The hunger this team is going to feel going into the offseason and into the 2024 season is immense. Let it stew.
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1 minute ago, Dingus McGirt said:
I think MInshew missed the target because he was shocked that the back was so open
I think he missed, because he was inaccurate pretty much all night long.-
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2 hours ago, Yoshinator said:
At this point, I would fire Ballard and promote Ed Dodds to GM and Morocco Brown to Assistant GM. That will keep them from being poached and will allow us to keep Shane Steichen since Dodds would like him. We need to try something new. Dodds is going to go soon IMO if he isn't promoted to a GM role. Same with Morocco Brown. Last thing we need is to keep Ballard and lose both Dodds and Brown in the offseason. Rather lose Ballard and promote Dodds and Brpwn.
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Just now, ShuteAt168 said:
Yes, and people acting like Goodson’s practicing the play a few times makes him the natural target for the biggest play of the year. He caught six passes all year! SIX! It’s not Sproles coming out of the backfield.
he caught 6 of 7 targets coming in (85%) and was wide open with the ball put in his hands.
that’s a pretty dang high percentage playcall. As @Superman said, it’s not like he was asked to do something crazy. It was a layup.
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2 minutes ago, Superman said:
I understand the criticism. But they asked the QB to throw a simple pass, and they asked a RB to make a simple catch. It's not like they asked someone to do something that isn't part of their job. It wasn't a trick play, HB pass, double reverse, shovel pass (we already saw Minshew mess that one up this season), fake FG, or something other low percentage play.
it was in the words of Chris Ballard “a layup.”
shane Steichen gave minshew and Goodson a layup and they missed it.
And I think they’ll both be elsewhere in 2024 because of it.
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3 minutes ago, stitches said:
Coaches should be held accountable too, buy IMO here you are misattributing the blame. I would blame him if they hadn't practiced that and he just decided " you know what, why don't we just sneak Goodson out and I bet he will make it", but by the way the play went this seemed like a well rehearsed play and it went exactly like it should have... up until the throw and catch part
this is my feeling. After hearing the presser, it was obvious this was a designed play that had been practiced often. Not to JT, not to moss, not to anyone else, but to “our pass catching back, Goodson.”
Minshew stated they made that throw what seemed like a million times. So the playcall and the personnel and the execution is practice all pointed towards that play, and it didn’t translate to the game field. Unfortunate? Yes. Emotional? Very. Bad play call? Absolutely not.
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Just now, Happy2BeHere said:
Yea we really needed the yards..I was just shocked by it because JT almost ALWAYS fights for the yards, it just seemed really uncharacteristic for him to do it twice right about together.
heel was likely a factor. Might have even influenced the final play call. He touched the ball 9 of the 12 plays to end the game. With an injured foot. -
1 minute ago, GoColts8818 said:
Because I don’t think that was a big deal. They were down to :45 seconds and still had what another 15 to 20 yards to go even if they did get it. Time was starting to become a little bit of a factor even with Taylor going out of bounds.
it is a big deal. He was pushed out of bounds on 1st and 10 and 2nd and 8. Had he gotten an extra half yard on those plays, that 4th down doesn’t even happen…so yes, it does matter.. and it might be why he didn’t get the ball on 4th and 1.
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2 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
Something is wrong when the HC likes the play that takes the only guy who has had success off the field.
he was stuffed twice on that drive for no gain, and barely got a yard on 3rd and 2. They came out up tight and in man coverage.
I get the concept. I do. I was frustrated afterwards that we didn’t live and die by JT, and even posted on the forum. It might have even been at the beginning of the thread. But then to listen to Steichen and minshew speak on the playcall, and knowing the facts, which is that it was a great call and it was open and it was dropped by a guy they say has executed in practice time and time again… I cannot bring myself to be angry at it.
because for me, at the end of the day as I’ve stated here- we were 1-11 on third down, and sub 150 passing. Minshew wasn’t good enough to win this game. JT made some questionable decisions running out of bounds the last few plays instead of sticking his nose in it and cutting it in. They didn’t make the plays to win. It’s never about one play, especially when it’s drawn up to do exactly what it’s supposed to- get the ball to a pass catcher. It shouldn’t matter who it is. The open guy is the answer. Catch the ball.
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Just now, cbear said:
So basically, he said the plan was to sneak him open because nobody thought he'd be thrown the ball? But JT would have been covered since he's JT? Got to think about that. Either he's a genius (because the guy was wide open) or he out thought himself. Interesting though.
no- he said they called the timeout because they saw them in man coverage.they called the play- which was Goodson in the flat with Pitt picking.
I said it wouldn’t work Jt.
he didn’t outthink himself. He dialed up a play to get the ball to an open pass catcher and it was dropped. Its not hard
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1 minute ago, GoColts8818 said:
Did it get the first down? Then no it didn’t. You might have liked play call but that alone doesn’t mean it worked because execution did not.
play call and execution are not mutually exclusive. Andy Reid has dialed up plenty of perfect play calls- and executed perfectly by his star qb only to be dropped by kadarius toney. They aren’t failed play calls. They are drops by a professional football player.-
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Just now, GoColts8818 said:
When did I say that? Oh wait I didn’t. I just said you can’t ignore that the Colts failed to convert on 4th and 1 on their last offensive drive and act like that’s not why they lost the game. In fact I said it wasn’t the only reason they lost.
lol. Please re-read what you just wrote.
“you can’t act like that’s not why they lost the game.”
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“I said it wasn’t the only reason they lost.”
im not sure it can both man. I’m not sure.
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Just now, GoColts8818 said:
He most definitely had a big drop in the Atlanta game.
no game is lost on a single play there are always things you can back and go if this happened or that happened it would have different but trying to pretend that you didn’t lose because you failed to convert 4th and 1 on your last position is just flat nonsense.
pretending that a wide open dropped pass was a bad play call by the coach and the reason we lost versus the 10 failed third down conversions is also nonsense.-
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Just now, cbear said:
Steichen said that? That if JT was in the game, he wouldn't have been open?
no he said that Goodson was the pass catcher in that specific play they had practiced. They wouldn’t have ran that play with JT, and had they done so, he would have been keyed on, putting the decision even more in Minshew’s hands… the play was there and it was dropped. Hindsight is funny. Everyone is a genius with it.Just now, Superman said:How many times did he throw a pass out of bounds?
I don’t know. But several.-
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unless it’s 5 yards out of bounds, or not thrown at all…