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2 minutes ago, w87r said:
I don't think it really means anything.
I just think it is a good troll job by Chris.
It was a great cliff hanger, they could've been talking about some one that would clearly be there at #15 BTJ, Kool-Aid or something.
Doesn't have to be a guy we are thinking about trading up for.
Like I said I just think it was a great troll job by Ballard to leave it out there like that.
Provokes conversations.
I would put money on us not trading up. So I wasn't really thinking that. I think they have their eyes on a certain player that might be there at 15, but not necessarily willing to trade up for because of the alternative options. -
34 minutes ago, Moe said:
I just don’t think trading back makes sense, with the amount of cash the colts have plus a rookie quarterback. At some point Chris Ballard has to change his game.
I agree. Unless it's to a range in the 1st round that they have equal ratings on multiple players, where they are confident they are getting one of them plus whatever compensation. That generally means whoever they have their eyes on in a separate tier is off the board.
If AR develops into a longterm franchise solution (the sooner the better,) then I see the next 3-5 drafts being incredibly important to bringing in foundation guys that step into the major leadership roles that the current ones will be retiring from (or moving on). Once that rookie contract is up, the first few years of a new massive deal requires a solid core in place. That means hitting on picks now and for the next several years.
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"I do think there is a shot he's there at 15..."
Well, that really narrows down folks. I'm pretty confident I know who "he" is. I'll let you know late Thursday night, alright?
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11 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
I'm sure Ballard watches what is going to be aired. Zero chance anything is leaked
anything that they don’t want leaked… but things they do perhaps? -
7 minutes ago, Zoltan said:
Yeah, that's where I was going. If you consistently say "______ isn't enough" Yet you don't have a parameter which you would consider a success you can never think that person is successful. Frankly it's a sad way to think always living with disappointment.
There’s a lot of setting themselves up for disappointment on this forum. Those in the fire Ballard camp would be happy and excited for a few years and then back to reality, which is the “always living with disappointment” you speak of. I like reading this forum around draft time for the quality discussion it brings in possibilities but there is a lot of people already setting themselves up to be disappointed. “If a or b players are at 15, we HAVE to take them.” And when we don’t? Cue the anti-Ballard sentiment and alarm bells on the colts.com forum.-
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2 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:
I am fired up to sit down and watch the draft with my son this week! (I realize this doesn’t add much to the discussion but it seems there is a lot of excitement and anticipation this year.)
Enjoy. Hope my boy wants to do that in the near future. I’ve watched the draft alone since I was a kid…-
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45 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
I am happy with Ballard bringing back most of our players, we have some good players and it is good chemistry wise, but we still lack a huge playmaker and a really good CB.
it’s fair. I just don’t know that I buy the cornerback debate. Yosh uses the chiefs for argument, and I understand it. But what we are attempting to do is what the chiefs had success with. Developing corners and being willing to walk when they hit big. I think it’s likely we see a day 2 corner this draft, but I will be shocked if we take Mitchell or Arnold, even if they are at 15.
I don’t try and predict much, or more expect much I guess- because I don’t like to build it up that much for my own sake. I wasn’t expecting AR drafted last season, so I was pleasantly surprised. couldn’t believe it actually. I think there is a number of things that can happen that I would be satisfied with Thursday/friday.
14 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:It seems like with Ballard it has a Mike Tomlin type of feel. Tomlin knows as long as he can keep the Steelers at least average they won't fire him. He and the owner really get along. Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game since the 2016 season - let that sink in. Ballard and Irsay get along very well and for the most part in the Ballard era we have been average at worse and not a bad team other than Ballard's 1st year (2017 - Luck was injured so I don't blame Ballard for that) and in (2022). I think by drafting AR, that bought Ballard at least 2 more years because we really won't know how great AR can be for at least 2 more years, unless he just has a surprising breakout season in 2024. If AR pans out, then Ballard deserves to stay but AR bought him more time is the way I see it.
It’s a good analogy here. I think Ballard was given the green light to a new plan with a build on a drafted qb. But more than that, he was given the green light to lead a new coach search and get it right finally. I don’t see his seat being hot this year, and maybe not even next. as long as the team competes and AR’s development with Steichen is obvious, then he’s not going anywhere. That’s my perspective. Could be entirely wrong. But I think a lot of folks are setting themselves up to be further disappointed. Ballard looks to have been given some grace for 6 seasons and a reset with a new direction that started with Irsay firing Frank- allowing Ballard to work through the coach/qb process, leading to hiring Shane and drafting AR. What we saw this offseason was a continuation of the some of the good parts of the first 7 years of Ballard’s drafting/roster building. No doubt the expectations are high for everyone now. I just don’t think there is a timetable on his seat in the executive office…
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6 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
I am still trying to figure out how trading this year's 15th, next year's 1st round pick and even a 2nd round pick next year is trading away our future to move up into the top 10 this year? It's giving up 2 picks next season. Giving up your future would be like trading away 2 1st round picks = next year and in 2026 and 2 2nd round picks for example - that would be too much.
People complain over and over that we never win anything, and we are average but yet the same people don't want Ballard to take any chances to get better.
I think it’s too much.
but I’m not in the camp of complaining about Ballard’s process either.
Just now, Zoltan said:Still waiting @Moosejawcolt don’t know why you keep dodging.
what would you consider an acceptable win percentage?
90%… that’s an A right?
😂
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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Nah, I have came to my senses, I would rather be like you and just stay average and go 9-8 every year, never win anything. Never take any chances to improve our team by moving up in the draft, not getting AR any huge playmakers to help him out, and hear you and half the forum complain about our roster and why we went 9-8 again. That's the ticket
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32 minutes ago, csmopar said:
I’m one of Ballards biggest supporters on here but I can say that I see where the theory Ballard focuses or prioritizes RAS scores or athleticism originates from. It does at times appear that way on the surface. Especially when he’s taken guys that are or at the top of the charts in RAS scores the last few years.
now I don’t think that is the only thing he focuses on. But I do think there is a lot more weight given to that category vs the rest of the league.
They definitely value metrics. There’s a clip of him in one of the with the next pick series that he clearly says when it comes down to a few players, always bet on the metrics.
I always took it by that clip that when they stack their board, and they have several players relatively equal on it, they are always going to go with the guy with better measurables. Its easy to trash him for certain picks, but most on here seem to have the inability to step back and look at some of the picks that should have panned out for us but had bad injury luck. His very first pick here certainly did. He had a promising pass rusher in Turay that never recovered from a freak injury broken leg. Lewis (while still here) had a major knee injury right as he was peaking. Campbell had plenty of promise and is considered a bust, but it’s all because of injuries. Blackmon could have been a legit safety (and he still is very good) but his biggest knock is injuries. Even Carson Wentz (dare I even go down the path of defending him…) had injuries he was dealing with. Shaq Leonard was the best defensive player we’ve had in years, maybe ever at linebacker. Early retirement because of injuries. Our franchise qb. Early retirement because of injuries.
Our franchise has had some really bad luck (no pun intended) with injuries at some of our key draft picks and guys that should have been (and should still be) game changers. Even khari Willis was a great player and would have changed the discussion on safety play. Retired abruptly to go into ministry.
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3 minutes ago, Stephen said:
Downs breaks his models to. Seems like he gets better players when he gets those that can play instead of just focusing on ras
I think Steichen and Wayne had a lot of input on Downs. He was also a 8.99 RAS, even with really poor size on that rating. So he makes up for it in other ways.
and if you think he “just focuses on RAS,” I really don’t know what to tell you. That’s an interesting perspective…
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9 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:
Does it matter where he got him? People praised Polian all the time for finding undrafted guys, the most notable being Jeff Saturday, and yet some how it’s a strike against Ballard. I am sorry, and maybe this isn’t your point, but when people go but Ballard didn’t draft this guy it sounds like trying to find a technicality to avoid having to give Ballard credit for acquiring a good player.
it is. Im convinced we could watch this team win a superbowl in the next few years, and the same people will discredit him. Hell, one poster said he wouldn’t be satisfied if it came at a technicality (aka- a year with injured qbs)… Like what? -
2 minutes ago, Stephen said:
Kenny moore was claimed off waivers after patriots cut him
obviously. But he specifically broke his mold on what he looks for in corners, because of what they saw in Kenny. And he’s talked at length about it. -
53 minutes ago, Yoshinator said:
They let him go because they paid Chris Jones instead. They also have Trent McDuffie. Their scouting department has proven they can draft corners. They have won 3 SBs with Mahomes (and made 4), I'm pretty sure they can trade a player away instead of paying him from time to time. Veach has earned that trust among the fanbase.
If I were a Chiefs fan, I would be extremely happy right now. Best QB in the league. won 3 SBs and made 4 with Mahomes. A great GM that builds through the draft and FA. An elite defense.
Those numbers were average for Mahomes standards yes. Normally he's much better than that. If we had those numbers on the Colts, we'd probably make the playoffs every year. We don't though. That's Ballard's fault since Luck's retirement. You and a lot of others take for granted that a new GM usually doesn't have an elite QB to start his tenure. Ballard did, that was a luxury. He had a large head thinking all he had to do was build through the draft around Andrew Luck. When Luck retired, Ballard was exposed. He didn't even know the proper way to get a QB. He was trying to do it through FA and trades when the vast majority of the time teams develop their franchise QBs through the draft.
Ballard built through the draft, except for the QB. How ironic is that?
8 years in, we are still hoping we hit on the QB. Maybe AR is the guy, as the division is harder, as the AFC has numerous elite QBs, as the NFL passes us by. "If we had average QB play like that these last 7 years". Where has the standards gone of being a fan? We should be regularly making the playoffs and competing for a SB 8 years in Ballards tenure. Instead, we are hoping the QB hits still at this point and we can fix the secondary on the team.
Give me a break. This team is run by a scout that's a wannabe GM who stubbornly refuses to change his ways. The only reason we're mediocre is because he's actually good at scouting. Unfortunately, as a GM, he has no idea how to compete with 31 other GMs who are actually qualified to be GMs.
Exhausting. That’s what you are…You refer to Ballard’s work like he’s playing Madden, when that’s actually the only qualification you have to offer input on a career executive in the national football league. It’s laughable. At best. And exhausting.
he can’t compete with 31 other GM’s? What are you talking about?
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4 hours ago, Yoshinator said:
I'm very open-minded when I get proven wrong. Ballard hasn't proven me wrong at all. His methods suck. Sorry. He's a scout that GMs like a 13-year-old Madden player. You can't build through the draft without using FA and trades in real life. Then he thinks the secondary isn't important when the Chiefs proved otherwise last year by having two elite CBs that helped carried them to another SB title when Mahomes was average.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks apparently.
you keep referring to the chiefs. But what the chiefs did was very similar to what he’s tried and trying to do. They drafted a late first corner (not very different from early 2nd- which is what he did last year and prior with ya sin) and the chiefs got sneed in the 4th… and guess what? They let him go!
I can’t imagine you as a chiefs fan with this mentality. Would you be royally p’d off right now because they let sneed walk? Don’t you think that may have something to do with Ballard not aggressively pursuing him?
“Mahomes was average.” Yeah, I didn’t see an average qb winning his third Super Bowl. That may just be me. 4k and 27 tuddy’s last year is average? Man… if we had just had average qb play like that these last 7 years, you wouldn’t be saying Ballard’s methods suck, because we would have accomplished quite a bit…
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6 hours ago, DynaMike said:
True but that's a bit different as he was an FA, not a draft pick. K. Moore originally was a rookie UDFA with the Patriots.
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15 minutes ago, Stephen said:
The reason is Ballard has been drafting cb based on their length and athletic potential instead of how well they played in college. Sometimes you have to forgo ras scores and just get a guy who can play.
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9 minutes ago, Yoshinator said:
I agree he doesn't want to spend much on the cornerback position. I don't agree his hands are tied by ownership. He spent roughly close for an extension on Buckner what it would have cost to extend Sneed. It saved us a draft pick or two and CB is better this year in the draft than DT, so maybe it's a good move in that respect.
I don't doubt Ballard doesn't want to spend much at the CB position. Unfortunately, being a zone team as you said, Ballard probably won't draft a CB high. I've been pushing the narrative that Ballard will draft an EDGE like Latu in the 1st round as Paye and Dayo are FAs after next year and Ballard loves the trenches. I just dislike stubborn people that hold on to their beliefs when they are outdated and have been proven wrong.
Sneed may like Nashville better than Indy, however, unlike Hunter, there was nothing leaked that he went to the Titans because of location. It seems to me that was because Ballard wasn't willing to pay what the Titans were to extend the contract in guaranteed money. I honestly think that's all it was.
Spending and focusing on the defensive line in a qb driven league is outdated and stubborn? Buckner trade was worth it. They couldn’t have found anyone like him, and he was available and willing to come here/be a focal point. Regarding Sneed, I’m not saying that’s why, I’m simply suggesting it could be a possibility. I think he’s in Tennessee because they are the only one who put an offer for him… I just don’t think we were going to do it. I think we reached out and possibly worked through some early negotiation with the chiefs, but when it came to it, backed out at what he was looking for.11 minutes ago, Yoshinator said:I really think Ballard will go after a CB on day 2 like Cam Hart. He has all the measurables Ballard loves. He'll be our version of JuJu Brents from last year.
Agreed. There could be a number that fit that mold.
having long 6 foot 3 corners on the outsides would be something…
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12 minutes ago, Yoshinator said:
You would have an argument if it wasn't the Titans. He didn't get traded to the Bills or Eagles who have elite QBs. He got traded to the Titans, who are a worse team than us. So that is highly unlikely. You are just grasping for straws to defend Ballard in why he is cheap and risk-averse. This is an 8 year pattern. He didn't just become GM. If Sneed didn't want to go to Indy, that would have been leaked by now. Ballard didn't want to pay the guaranteed money. That makes a lot more sense.
I would prefer Nashville over Indianapolis... And I live here. My comment had zero to do with team quality. Although Brian Callahan will have that team playing competitive football. I don't think it's highly unlikely at all.
I'm not grasping at straws. These are legit questions. Are his hands tied by ownership? Is that why he was hired, with a plan to be conservative/draft and development focused... and subsequently held on through a coaching change?
I don't doubt he didn't want to pay the guaranteed money. I think i've specifically stated I don't think we were ever that serious in the pursuit of Sneed, contrary to what Destin Adams posted incorrectly on twitter. Ballard's comments regarding our current young core of cornerbacks, backs that belief. I don't think he cares to spend much money on the cornerback position at all... -
3 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:
Never bashed him on Hunter. I understand why it never occurred. I thoughtvthey should have made a push for Sneed. Could have taken corner off our board.
Same argument can be made for Sneed... He simply might not have wanted to be here unless he was paid xx amount of dollars, which was unreasonable.
Again, we bash Ballard for not making the moves we think he should push to make. But what if his hands are tied, and those deals are unreasonable due to those players having little to no interest in Indianapolis. -
5 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:
More money but Houston was all guaranteed.
we don’t know what the terms were from us. He made no mention that the move was about money. He did talk about going home, which was all we have.
regardless, we did try and quite hard by all accounts.
and to your argument- if it is because of guaranteed money and what you say is true regarding Jim Irsay not allowing it, then why are we bashing Chris Ballard for not getting free agents? Wouldn’t you agree his hands are tied, if that is the case?
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I'm fully under the preparation for a trade down. I think that it's coming.
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1 minute ago, Yoshinator said:
He did get drafted in the 4th round, however, Ballard has not proven he can draft an elite corner. He can draft good ones late, but no elite ones. Sneed was a nice scheme fit that could play zone, and I'm pretty sure he'll be better than any 3rd round corner that will be available in that range for us (and the Titans got him for a 2025 3rd rounder). I saw the presser, and one year of experience isn't going to be enough to overcome not having an elite CB on this team. He mentioned the O-Line, but the O-Line had Nelson, Braden Smith, and Ryan Kelly. All the CB room has is Kenny Moore. As good as he is, he's a slot corner.
I would love to get someone like a Cam Hart for the Colts, but we are projecting, and it has to happen. Getting a CB that hits in the first 3 rounds is best-case scenario. We can make excuses for Ballard and say it's ok and he has a plan, but there has to be a time when fans need to admit he is just risk-averse. We'll see in 5 days how the Colts end up. I still expect to trade down.
I'd argue that neither Arnold or Mitchell will be as good as Sneed *could* be. We'll of course see how Sneed performs in a new system and not on the Chiefs... That might be telling enough.
Cam Hart is certainly one that I am thinking of regarding my comments. Max Melton as well. There are several. I think it's a relatively strong class. And I don't agree that the team needs an elite corner. We play zone. I think we have stronger needs at linebacker and safety, quite frankly.-
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6 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:
Hunter's contract was basically full guaranteed, and we know Irsay and his belief in fully guaranteed contracts. He also wanted to be closer to family.
Yet there was a report that the Colts offered more money... It was 2 years, so it's not like it was a 3 or 4 year fully guaranteed contract that Irsay has preached against. We gave a washed up Matt Ryan $36 million guaranteed over two years. I'm not sure there is much difference.
What is Chris Ballard MOST LIKELY to do in the 1st Round of the 2024 NFL Draft?
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I saw an article today with that scenario.
could be on the table. He has a history of trading with them with that range of pick. Although I’m not sure I see it with the talent at receiver this draft. It just depends on how they view the rest of the class left. Especially in day 2.
I don’t like making predictions or hopes, but if Bowers is there, I kind of want to see them take him and double up on a receiver at 46. That gives a day 2 option at corner or safety at 81 and then using 117 and 151 as interior line and whatever else (coverage linebacker ideally) to round the top 150 out. If I were a betting man, I would put money on us not drafting a linebacker until late and potentially using those last two picks both on linebackers.