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8 minutes ago, MB-ColtsFan said:
Just to add another perspective; has any other player made a remark about "the culture change" to warrant your opinion or are you basing this on what one player said?
Culture usually refers to a common view of a collection of attitudes, not just one.
Viniateri talked about the up-tempo pace at mini-camp and how different it was compared to years past. He mentioned that they will be the best conditioned team in the league and won't have 4th quarter letups like they have so often the past few years because of conditioning...
Doyle made similar remarks.
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9 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said:
Ya the monster that never got built they built something called joke and that's is all that was built hope under these two that changes in a big way.
That's the problem. They never elaborated a whole lot on how they were going to build the monster. Hell grigson wouldn't even talk to the media.
Ballard has laid out his vision time and time again, and has talked about the culture he wants to create. Competitive, young, fast. Speed and in the way they practice. The tempo in minicamp is where most players noticed the difference right off the bat. THAT is the culture that I am referring to.
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8 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:
I misread the title as couture change and thought this thread would be about the blue pants.
Might as well be.
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18 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
We haven't played one game yet. Hell, we haven't even opened camp.
There is no culture made yet. We don't even know if the coaches hired are the right ones.
You are jumping the gun way too fast assuming anything with this team.
Most elite forces in the military don't deploy until after at least a year of training. Many talk about the culture that you claim isn't made yet. That culture is often set the first month of initiation. Months before deployment. You don't know what you are talking about in regard to culture. The culture is what the environment is everytime these guys take the field together. They have taken the field together... and they are all talking about it. Specifically the difference compared to last year. Again, you don't know what you are talking about.
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16 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
You don't know anything about me. If you don't like my opinions that makes no difference to me at all.
Just because I said your title to a thread was misleading because it was incomplete and then explained why, the problem lies with you.
I couldn't care less about your opinion of me.
I get along with most all the forum members because they take things said with a grain of salt and don't get all butt hurt if I don't agree with them.
Far from butt hurt. I couldn't care less. You came on my thread and spewed nonsense acting like the title didn't match with the post.
14 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:We haven't played one game yet. Hell, we haven't even opened camp.
There is no culture made yet. We don't even know if the coaches hired are the right ones.
You are jumping the gun way too fast assuming anything with this team.
They did open camp. Mini camp and that is where the quotes come from. Sometimes it's like you don't even follow Colts football. Have you ever worked? If you have, then you know damn well that the culture is changed immediately when a management change occurs. The culture is changed my Colts friend. I'm not assuming anything with this team yet, because there is a lot of questions marks... but one thing is for certain, the players that have been here for a year or two are taking notice. You are just a little slow to catch on.
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11 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
Exactly SW1. It didn't help when the OP brought up 'culture change' in the title being there has yet to be a culture made at this point.
Every word that has been said about Ballard and the new coaching staff is word for word what was said about Grigson/Pagano their first two years.
I will not rehash the Pagano issues because it's all water under the bridge but all of a sudden this turned into a bash Pagano thread when it wasn't necessary at all.
It's funny that even after Ballards two drafts there is still a lot that think this team is no better than 8-8 even with Luck. But yet it was Pagano's fault? Yeah, right.
There hasn't? I guess I failed to realize that Ballard has cleaned house and brought in a hell of a lot more young players through the draft with the intention of competition and development. Grigsom didn't do that, he bought players in free agency that didn't pan out. There is a night and day difference between Grigsons first two years and Ballards. Ballards first year, Andrew was on the bench. Let's see what happens this year before you throw out record differences.
There is absolutely a culture set. Competitive, high energy, fast paced. Vinny's commented on it. Doyle's commented on it. You are just oblivious.
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1 hour ago, WoolMagnet said:
I can read posts and tell who is a smart * too.
Don't mind him Wool. He doesn't know how not to be a * on a forum about football.
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50 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
I think where the issue was made negative is when the OP made it "culture change" the name of the thread without an explanation. He hand picked just a part of a longer statement for what reason I don't know. It was made more dramatic but after reading the whole comment it was more understandable.
Like I said earlier, The name of the tread is misleading.
How was the thread not indicative of the statement? He literally mentions the culture difference in the article that I posted. I didn't quote just part of the statement, I posted the link to the article, so you are way off base by saying I didn't explain what the topic meant.
Yes I said it was a dig at Pagano. I think it was. That's my opinion as you have stated yours. It's a dig at the culture and environment that Pagano and Grigson created, which contrary to what you think, was not a great one. Many of those guys didn't realize until now the difference and it all is making sense. High energy, high competitiveness. My original post literally said that and Chester's statements go hand in hand. I didn't "hand pick" jack squat, I threw an article that hadn't been shared yet and stated my opinion on the Culture change that is happening.
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5 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
All true my friend but as you know I came to the conclusion it was time for a change but never lost the knowledge that Chuck was in a no win situation the minute last season started.
To read these insults aimed at Chuck being brought up now over some player who has yet to crack a starting lineup over is nonsense.
I can understand a new head coach and all new excitement brought from that but maybe Rogers should have shown a little more maturity in talking about it.
Nonsense? This is a forum to talk about Colts football and all some of you knuckleheads do is come out and attack people and belittle. Get outta here.
I think this will be the part where I bow out. Go blue.
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6 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
The name of the thread is misleading in the first place.
So some player who was not even drafted and sure wasn't a starter runs his mouth and all of a sudden it's becomes a culture change? He never knew what any culture was.
One big pile of horse dung.
When the players start talking about the difference, it's a culture change.
Adam vinatieri said they'd be the best shaped team in the league because of the change of pace... is that horse dung? Just curious.
“Changes in the weight room – the way we lift and run to get us back in better condition than in the past, so hopefully we don’t have those fourth-quarter mishaps that we had (in) years past,” said kicker Adam Vinatieri. “Hopefully we’ll be – not hopefully – we will be the best conditioned team in the fourth quarter, and that will make a huge difference.”
SHOTS FIRED BY THE GOAT...
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13 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:
I didnt mean to say i thought his decisions and "nervousness" was a result of chemo or anything.
i just think , under pressure, (coaching i'm referring to), he kinda locks up in the head a lil. alot of people do. I think he was always that way.
not everyone can slow things down in their heads when the crap hits the fan. Staying calm, cool, collected and focused is not easy.
its not necessarily a dig on Pagano to say things are better now, imo.
We wouldn't know if there was a pre-chemo difference in Chuck because we saw so little of him as a HC before he was diagnosed, but I cannot (and I can't be alone) think that it didn't have an effect on his health over the remainder of his time here. Combine that with the stress of having to work for Ryan Grigson, and I think he had his work cut out for him from a mental and emotional perspective. God bless him for that.
We won't know if things are truly better until we see what kind of product we put on the field this season (roster wise and gameplanning/coaching wise), but as I originally posted, the culture has changed... we will see if it's a good thing.
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6 minutes ago, WoolMagnet said:
One has nothing to do with the other.
actually, i don't buy the "hes been thru cancer so he can handle...".
going thru that doesnt suddenly make you a better coach, or more "stable under fire."
it puts things in perspective,yes, but diesnt suddenly give you the ability to handle anything.
Hey, chuck looked nervous and confused at key coaching moments. Sometimes he made embarrasing decisions even. That doesnt make him a bad guy, just not a trait i want in a HEAD coach.
Exactly. I respect the hell out of anyone who goes through what Chuck went through. He's as tough as anybody. But I also have close family that went through chemo that often refer to their "chemo brain" when they are forgetful and make silly mistakes. It's not uncommon. Chemotherapy puts people's bodies and minds through hell and back. That makes them tough but also breaks them down a lot.
Chuck was a great guy that was paired with a bad GM. He had a qb in Andrew Luck that covered a lot of flaws for both of them. He wasn't a bad coach... he just wasn't a good one, and there is a whole lot to back that claim up.
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35 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
I don't buy into the deer in the headlights look.
Chuck has said more than once that coaching was nothing compared to what he went through in real life. He wasn't scared of anything that related to football and also said that too.
I'm not sure his comment had anything to do with being scared of anything... I think it had more to do with being lost on the sidelines at times, and I'm not sure how anyone could disagree with that? He absolutely struggled in games with adjustments and decision-making. It isn't easy adjusting on the fly and making quick decisions. There is a lot of preparedness that goes into it and then the ability to be able to think ahead and take risks. Chuck didn't take risks. He was ultra conservative and relied on a horrible defense a great of the time instead of keeping the ball in Andrew's hands when it was reasonable to do so.
"Chuck Pagano, faced a scenario like this – fourth down with his team leading by 10 or fewer points in the first three quarters — 50 times in six seasons and went for it three times.
Reich watched the Eagles go for it in that scenario three times in a single game last season." -Stephen Holder 4/5/18
That's the deer in headlights... 3 times in 50 tries? How many times could we have possibly scored and altered losses in those 50 tries? How many times did we punt and watch the opposing offense batter our defense for a quick score? I would hate to know, actually.
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2 hours ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:
I'd like to think that Coach Reggie Wayne will have a little chat with Chester once he catches wind of this.
And I'd like to think that if Reggie sticks his nose into players feelings about the prior coaching staff that Ballard might not keep him around very long either... Reggie's an assistant because he was a damn good football player. We don't know what his coaching ability is yet, and it could be very short lived.
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"I think it is one of those situations where it really reveals character," Fleener said. "The guys that kept fighting through it, knowing that we may not have our star quarterback on the field, but we still have a chance to win this game -- those are the guys that you want in your corner.
"The other guys, it becomes pretty apparent that they are along for the ride."
If I can remind anyone of this quote... And Pagano's comments to follow defending the team and environment. And Freeman's comments talking about what a "b... move" it was on Fleener's part to talk to the media about it.
There were issues in that locker room. It started at the top with Grigson and Pagano and as hard as Chuck tried to keep it in check, it trickled down. Good management in ANY business makes the difference in the culture. Grigson was God-awful in that regard (and in putting together a roster).
The Culture is changed for the better, I am 100% confident. Frank understands and bought into his role as the HC here. He understands that Ballard has a good vision and high football IQ, and has brought in several key people to bring in talent and develop that talent. Frank knows he is tasked with leading a locker room that is now one of the youngest in the NFL and that will need guidance and firmness as a leader.
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3 hours ago, John Waylon said:
Interesting.
Very interesting.
The players loved Pagano. They came in during the bye week after a win to keep practicing to get better. That’s not the behavior of a team who hates it’s coach or culture.
I know we won’t get it, but I’d definitely like some elaboration on this quote.
"The players." There were a lot of players that were frustrated throughout their time under Pagano. Did Quincy Wilson love Pagano last season? Just curious... I don't agree at all, and all you can point to is those public quotes of people that defended Pagano. I think a lot of people respected him for what he went through and his drive to keep powering through... but to insinuate that all players loved playing under him is laughable. There were a lot more stressful and frustrating times for a whole lot of these guys the last 6 years than good. And if I remember correctly, I remember Pagano publicly ridiculing the roster a time or two taking shots at Grigson that didn't sit well with some players.
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It's a dig at Pagano to come public with these kind of comments, but shows what difference there already is in the organization... months before training camp which will really set the stage for this team under Ballard/Reich.
I always sensed there was a tense relationship between coaching staff and management, and that trickled down to the relationship between coaching and players, which led to a more relaxed locker room. That's not how a football locker room should ever feel. High energy. High competitiveness. It's been a long time coming. I hope you all are ready.
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Just now, ColtStrong2013 said:
You can take an athlete and make them one... you can't vice versa, and in today's professional football, if you aren't an athlete you might as well go home as they are going to pick you apart. Defensively especially. Mismatch every single play, regardless of position.
This is also on the extreme end of suggesting that all of the picks aren't football plauers. They very much are and a few of them are top notch all Americans. You can hone in on skills that are absent or lacking if the athleticism is there.
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8 hours ago, ColtsBlitz said:
Okay, I’m not trying to be pessimistic, but an athlete is not a football player. There are millions of athletes in the world. There are very few professional football players comparatively.
I do like the fact that Ballard is going after athletic leaders though, it is a sign that that’s what he wants here and we need leaders among this young group of men that form the Indianapolis Colts
You can take an athlete and make them one... you can't vice versa, and in today's professional football, if you aren't an athlete you might as well go home as they are going to pick you apart. Defensively especially. Mismatch every single play, regardless of position.
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12 hours ago, Mr.NotSoCreative said:
Our interior oline is gonna be stout for sure. OT is a bit of a ? atm. Can AC keep up his play from last year our drop off some? Right side we have options? I think what some are forgetting is that we are thinking these guys are depth behind guys that like Walker, Basham, who have not proven to be starters. Unfortunately if they dont take a huge step in progression going forward, there goes the perceived depth. Especially with unproven rooks behind them. Seems maybe this is going to be a defense by committee approach, 11 start, but like 22 play a lot through the games rotating often. We really need to just sit back and see how this unfolds, pray, and trust our people.
It's all about competition on defense. They are going to rotate and see what sticks. They will find players that mesh and play well as a unit and those guys will get the starts and bulk of the rotational play. That's my two cents based on Ballard's comments going forward.
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On 5/1/2018 at 2:19 PM, Coffeedrinker said:
He did say he is very strict about it, especially in rounds 1-5. So I take that as meaning special cases may be made in the 6th and 7th round. Probably for the type of situation you described.
I didn't dislike Grigson as much as many on this forum (mostly the same people that thought he was a great GM his first three years) but one thing I did mention from the 2nd season on was the Colts had no identity, they didn't seem to be targeting a certain type of player or mentality, basically I didn't think he had a vision for the type of team he wanted to create. Ballard seems to have that vision and has developed the road map to make that vision a reality. It is a refreshing change.
This.
No identity at all. Their identity was a bad roster that could come together and make comebacks behind #12 after digging themselves in a hole. Not a good thing to be known for.
If I'm picking an identity, it's the ability to pick on defenses with speed and a top notch o-line and cause chaos on defense.
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Things would not be going this smoothly out of the gate with McDaniels. He would have wanted a lot of say in personnel with Ballard (not that Reich didn't have a lot of input from everything that has been said) but would have likely pouted if he hadn't gotten his way.
I really look forward to Andrew coming back and having all day to throw. Speed across the board on offense and Frank having a heyday picking apart defenses... solely because I'll know McDaniels will be sitting in his little New England cottage watching and wondering what the Hell he did.
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22 hours ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:
The approach will be interesting to follow, the T.J. Green draft (pure athlete, not much football player) does scare however. But I think that Ballard is smart enough to look at more metrics than just RAS numbers and hope the best.
It's scary because he was drafted so highly. If he were even a 3rd round project, it would feel better. I have no problem investing high draft picks in the trenches and guys you know are going to play for you (Leonard at Will linebacker, Turay at end) and finding high upside guys later on. I have a problem picking guys like Dorsett and Green so high and neglecting key positions because of it.
The metrics are one piece to the story. The tape and the interviews (personality and fit) are a whole separate conversation. It all has to make sense. I'm not sure if the TJ Green draft made much sense, especially since they missed on Collins the previous draft. Seemed like a move to satisfy the coach after disappointing him the prior year.
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On 5/1/2018 at 10:44 AM, Defjamz26 said:
That’s what I thought too, but the Rams got away with it. They had Robert Woods and Cooper Cupp who are both 6’0”. And they traded for Cooks. Watkins is a bigger receiver but he only had 500 yards for them. I would say that speed and route running take more priority over size.
I’m starting to wonder if having an athletic TE is more important. Ebron could really break out here.
Ebron will only go as far as Ebron will take himself. He is being put in an ideal environment and opportunity (fresh start if you will) in Indy. And Frank Reich will use his athleticism and body to put him in one on one situations every game. If he can make the plays, and Andrew WILL put the ball on the money for him, then he will certainly break out here. But there are no excuses from here out for him. It's make or break.
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Football and military are intertwined all of the time. There is a reason Navy SEALS go and speak to football programs of all ages about the fundamentals of both... Are you that obtuse? In terms of culture, they are very similar. Camaraderie, competitive, intense.
In terms of elite forces (which is what I referred to), their training is much more than life or death. If you think it is that black and white, you are as crazy as your name indicates. Navy SEALS focus on execution which doesn't always mean life or death... It means taking care of the nuances of the task at hand and trusting their teammates to do their jobs. Is that not similar in football?