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I'm fine with the bump. Should I have added a smiley face?
Ok, my bad. I just immediately thought of this thread when I saw the touchdown. Made me chuckle
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Indeed.
Lighten up. Sheesh
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Could play with no o-line today and still win....
I thought that's what we were doing anyways?
j/k
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Bump
To everyone who gave the OP a hard time, the Colts just used this formation against the Jaguars and Fleener scored a touchdown off of it
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Fleener's drops are alarming
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I don't see the point in us signing all these receivers in the off-season if all we're gonna do is power run out 2-3 TE sets all game and kick field goals
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I think it's too soon to start calling for any jobs, but I do agree the coaching across the board has been lackluster at times. We've won in spite of it, which makes it hard to justify calling for heads to roll just yet. I think if we under perform this season without a playoff appearance (when heading into the season we were favorites to win the division and play deep into the post season) people who make the important decisions will at least start to take notice. I think Manusky would be the first to go, should anyone lose their job this off-season
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Did you mean to quote someone else? Because I never said I thought Werner has been okay.
Also, even if you're dissatisfied with him so far, it's still very early in his career. You're complaining about not having Jerry Hughes, but he looked much less effective than Werner has at this point in his career.
I think both Hughes and Werner were/are being forced into positions they aren't naturally suited to play. I thought trading Hughes was pretty dumb at the time, considering we just switched to a scheme that he was a natural fit for, and we moved on from Freeney. We basically created another hole to be filled, and chose to fill it with someone who has to be converted (like the guy we had just let walk BECAUSE he wasn't a good scheme fit) I don't know... seems like we're chasing our own tail at times
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kinda hard to judge. he was going against ryan clady and jason peters two of the best tackles in the game
Yeah, but on the same token, that's kinda why we spent a 1st on the guy, to beat guys like that occasionally. He hasn't impressed me, and I think we used too high of a pick on him, but that doesn't mean he can't develop into a solid contributor to our rotation. He's improved a little (and should improve more) so I wouldn't call him a bust, but I think we could have used that pick more wisely. I felt the same way the night we drafted him and he has done little to persuade me otherwise since
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I ask you a question and you choose not to reply. It is tough for any QB to be a good QB when he is being hit, pressured and sacked most of the time. It's not rocket science. Yes, we are done here.
You're correct, it's not rocket science -- yet you still fail to understand
I agree that the past two seasons, the offensive line play has been downright awful. However, many of Luck's hits were partially his own fault. I'm not talking about the hits when he has maybe a second to throw, i'm talking about the ones where he holds the ball...and holds the ball, and waits for the bigger play rather than take whats there. It's not a coincidence that he's consistently the most hit QB year after year, despite switching schemes last season, and it's not all on the offensive line.
One would think that in a west coast, quick passing system that Pep runs, the hits would reduce considerably from 12' to 13', especially given the fact that we threw less last season than we did under Arians. Point being, there are things a QB can do to mask an under-performing offensive line in pass protection. You make teams pay for blitzing by having hot reads, you get the ball out quick, you audible into better plays (run or pass.) Luck is not doing those things yet. It doesn't mean he never will, but right now he just isn't. He's taking hits because he's not taking what is there, and the fact that teams keep blitzing him is telling of the fact that they know he's going to hold the ball rather than make them pay for it. Teams don't blitz guys like Brady, Peyton, Rodgers or Brees as often as they do other QB's because they know it's a losing proposition to do so frequently.
I understand you don't want any shade thrown at Luck, and you feel his game is without flaw (you're entitled to believe so.) I'm merely pointing out that his ability to extend a play and deliver (which is one of the main things that makes him a good QB) is the very thing that is keeping him from taking that leap to being a GREAT QB, in my opinion. His moxie and toughness wins us games, but it's also costing us points at times and exposing him to more hits as well. Whether or not he's being limited in the amount of control he has over the offense is speculative, but given the comments that I've read from both he and Pep leading into this season, I'm more inclined to believe he has the freedom and just isn't necessarily making the best decisions with that freedom.
A part of me thinks Arians might have broken Luck's ability to go through progressions properly after his rookie season. He's still far too focused down field and stays in the pocket longer than he should -- both things that Arians demanded from Luck when he was the OC here
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I certainly am not a fan of Arians' scheme, but I do miss his leadership on the team. He kept the offense agressive when it needed to be. He and Pagano worked well together
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Let me ask you an honest question. Just how long should any QB have to read the defense and do a check down on the progressions? Luck buys himself more time because he has had very little time or protection since he was drafted by the Colts. But yet he took the Colts to the playoffs his 1st two years and broke a lot of rookie records his 1st year. I don't care how good or bad a QB is if he is not given the protection and time to do his job he will not look good. Has Luck has a decent running game in Indy? Did Luck have all rookie receivers except for Wayne when starting? Luck started on a team that had 47 new players on the roster in 2 seasons. There were only 6 players left on this team when the season started and 2 of those were kickers. But no, you think Luck hasn't progressed up to your expectations under all those circumstances?
You didn't answer anything I said AND you're putting words in my mouth. We're done here
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Why does Luck need to be compared to Manning? Who thought or said that Luck was a Manning clone? Luck is starting his 3rd year as a Colt. Manning is old news as far as the Colts. Maybe it's time to update your mentality when it comes to the Colts. That was not meant as an insult, it's just Manning is gone and Luck is his own man and plays QB for the Colts today, not 3 years ago.
I'm not comparing him to Manning. I'm referring to the hype he had coming out of college, where he was often praised for his astuteness at the mental aspect of the game, and how he had control of Stanford's offense much like Manning controls his offenses. I'm merely saying I don't think whatever people saw then has translated very well at the pro level. He isn't particularly good at reading a defense, doesn't take check downs, holds the ball too long and stares down receivers. Those are not attributes of a cerebral quarterback. I think the Big Ben comparisons are much more accurate, and are pretty much what we should expect throughout the duration of Luck's career. He'll get more polished as he continues to play, but I haven't seen enough progression from where he was 3 years ago to say he'll ever be a Brady/Peyton/Brees type
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I totally understand what happened here, and you do not. After he thought about what he said, then he changed his mind.
Next time he will probably think about it first. My job here is done.
If you say so
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So in other words, you don't really believe half the crap that you say. Got it. I thought we would end up here, but wanted to make sure.
Stop being a troll. You're basically asking him to start a thread to stir up controversy, and if he doesn't, he somehow isn't standing behind his own opinions?... You're being silly right now
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has anyone heard anything about him during preseason or this first 2 weeks?
i haven't and haven't noticed him at the games either..
is he even still around?
He's in the break room making the coffee....
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To be honest, I don't see the 'cerebral' aspect to Luck's game that he was so praised for coming out of college. He still makes a lot of dumb rookie mistakes (continues to stare down receivers waaaaayyy too often) The guy just also happens to be gutsy as heck and has a heart of lion. He's not a Peyton clone, by any stretch, however
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The pressure up the middle is not the fault of the o-line. Someone needs to explain what a hot route is to Luck and the coaches. I'm not even entirely sure anyone has explained what a slant is to Pep yet. Baby steps, I guess
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No adjustments to the pressure the eagles brought up the middle. I felt like I was watching Arians again with all the long developing routes consistently dialed up on 3rd down. The inside blitzes could have easily been neutralized with a well timed slant or two. Also, I'm tired of this staff trying to force Trent on us. Bradshaw is clearly the better football player, and why they gave Trent more carries after that 2nd fumble is beyond me.
And Pep Hamilton essentially turned into that "cheeser" madden player, who runs the same play over and over again. You could tell he was so proud that he actually implemented a successful run scheme for the first time in his brief stint here. He gave future opponents so much tape on that stupid unbalanced formation. The Eagles finally had it figured out by the end of the game
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This staff is a joke
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We better not try that unbalanced nonsense again on this drive. It worked at first but they've figured it out now. Let it go and stop calling plays like a dufus
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I don't think we'll have to worry about Grigson trading for Peterson, ever. He has 'red flags' now that our organization is obviously trying to stay away from when it comes to qualities in our lead running back.... Those 'red flags' being burst, vision and the ability to average more than 3 yards per carry
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They lost their offensive line.... If we can't stop them we seriously need help on defense
They shouldn't score more than 17
By that same token, shouldn't they be able to stop us, being that our line is still worse than theirs even with all their injuries? I guess it's gonna be a low scoring game then, going by your logic
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Denver's offense is ridiculously better than the Eagles' offense.
I'm not too worried.
What a bunch of bravado
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Moncrief looks good. Need to find a way to get him more snaps