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Nick Saban + Peyton Manning would have equaled more than 1 SB title in my opinion. Say no to Norvel.
What? Nick is well not someone I would ever want to see in Colt Blue...He lies to his players, he has no dedication to his employer and will when the next better offer is avaiable
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In some way that's exactly what I mean. They went for the big cheese instead of trading down some of those years...which falls on management.
A lot of 1st rnd busts too if memory serves.
It was tought to trade down as many teams didn't want to take on those huge salaries that came with those top picks. Now it is much easier to trade down.
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Really? So going 0-16 didn't lead to departures of the GM and coach? And a top pick in Stafford which is their franchise QB? Everyone remembers the Lions and Bucs and I as a fan don't want the Colts as apart of that club. How many future HOFers on this squad would love to have that 0-16 on their "resume" going into the HOF?
I doubt any player wants an 0-16 on their resume, but in no way will it impact on their ability to get into the HOF or tarnish their career in any manner.
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Do you even watch football?Every week until every team has A win you hear about the Bucs and now the Lions, thats all I am saying, so don't even start with your 11 rebuttals, please.
Yes during that season and even the following one it is talked about, but that is about it. How many times is it talked about this season in Detroit and how much do Lion fans care? This will just be a blip on the radar unless the Colts fall to a sub .500 team each season for the next say decade, it will be looked at then as the great fall, but I don't believe the Colts will be .500 that much over the next decade.
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BPs superbowl stats tell me something..
His teams go to the super bowl a lot. So he can draft talent.
His teams lose the super bowl a lot. He can't pick coaches.
Or does he purposely pick bad coaches?
discuss lol.
my coaching pick would be Zimmer
Isn't Marv Levy in the HOF? I also think tony D will be there at some point. Who was his coach in Carolina?
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Wrong, every football fan knows and remembers the 72 dolphins for a good reason. and remembers the Bucs and Lions for going winless and if the Colts go winless there will not be a season where you won't hear about it. I think this debate will be a mute point, because the Jags are horrible.
Where do you here these wispers on the Bucs and Lions? I am a Buc fan also and it's a non issue and their horribleness trumps just about every other horribleness ever seen in the NFL.
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Elway won back to Super Bowls @ 37 and 38.
True, but what serious injuries did he have during his career? Also nothing wrong with being that old, just the odds are not good you will perform at a high level like you did in your youth.
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Is there a place that lists all the Colts that are on IR each season? I would be interested to see a break down each year of the % of the roster that ended up on the IR year by year. Has our IR increased or decreased since moving to the new stadium? How does the Colts IR % match up with other teams? Has this season seen more due to no offseason prep?
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0-16 is doom and gloom, It can't really be any worse.. Good thing there's other stuff in life, but as far as football goes, this is the "horribleness".
I guess it's all perspective. 1 bad season even an 0-16 season isn't a big deal when you have had the run the Colts have had and will probably bounce back from. My fav ML baseball team has had 2 winning seasons in the past 20, made only 1 playoff appearance in teh last 17, yet I am supporting them every year. Look at the Pacers, they last had a winning season when? When was their last playoff appearance? And talk about embarassing..let us bring up the night in Detroit. For me 1 0-16 season is not the end of the world....
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The Lions record may be good this year, but how many people think they're going to make the playoffs. Not many believe that they can. To this day, there are still some people that don't take them seriously. Those years of failure plus that 0-16 season has ruined their legacy for the next several years. Although the Colts have been a great team in the last decade, there will be some people that question if the Colts can get back to the top after this season. Not only does it >>> up the stats from the past decade, but it could demotivate some of the players.
1. Who are these people?
2. What does it matter what those people think?
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People, just stop talking. It's embarrassing to read these comments.
"What will happen when Manning takes a hit?"
"How will his spine hold up to contact?"
"Will PM ever be the same?"
"The wear and tear on that spine...."
"What if he gets injured again?@#$@??@##?!@?!!?"
That isn't what the research, or previous cases have shown at all. Do a little Anatomy and Physiology research before opening your mouths, seriously.
Nearly every expert on the subject will tell you that the fusion of this type will normally form a stronger structure than before it was damaged, if the fusion takes (which it did). Much the same way as a broken bone is LESS likely to break once it's healed because of the callous to the osseous tissue, Manning will be less likely to ever suffer nerve damage of this kind again. Some doctors have claimed that it can heal to 115%. Oh yeah, and now Manning will be playing without pain. That's not something he could have said after the 2006 season.
Manning isn't going to be a 36 year old recovering from a 3rd surgery. He's going to effectively be a 32 year old, with a year of rest on his body, and less likely to suffer damage to the area now than he was before.
Short of time spent regaining muscle tonicity (which will happen QUICKLY in training), he will be back to his old/slightly younger self.
This isn't some grand delusion, or wishful thinking, or an inability to see life after Manning. This is just the most likely scenario based purely on medical and scientific fact.
While it seems unrelated, I just want to conclude that people need to stop watching Aaron Rodgers and the Packers while drawing some sort of conclusion about the future of the Colts from that. The situation isn't the same, the organizations aren't the same, and the fates haven't fallen into place the same way. Luck wouldn't be saddling up in a Ferrari with a full tank. He'd be walking into an unknown model, made in a country that no longer exists, that only one guy in the world knew how to drive.
If you don't believe that this Front Office can make a few more runs with an improved Peyton (because he will be better than he was following the 2006 season), what in the world makes you think they will pull it off with a college QB who can't win the big games, or without 200 yards a game from his HB's? Some of you are so self-defeating in your debates across the threads, that you might as well play the part of Nocan the Contrarian on my daughter's favorite after-school show.
EDIT: I agree that it is probable that we take Andrew Luck with our first pick, simply because that's how the Polians' roll. They rarely trade down, they prefer the safe moves, and it makes sense superficially.
I'm opposed to it simply because it does our team no good in Manning's remaining years, and there are far more impact DB's and interior linemen in round 1 than in any other round. You can't pass on guys like Claiborne, Kirkpatrick, Minnifield, DeCastro, etc., and hope the late round guys work out. Those are the types of players who contribute immediately (QB excepting, because any QB we draft would be sitting). It's also not like those players couldn't become franchise players as well. QB is not the most important position on the field. I'm sorry, but it's not. If it were, Tony Romo would have Super Bowls. He's got the 3rd highest career QB rating of all-time, among QB's who have played more than 5 years, and he's never even been close. What about Matt Ryan? What about Philip Rivers? All of these guys are pure ballers, and they are surrounded with talent, but they can't win it. Can anyone honestly say that Roethlisberger has had anything to do with the Steelers success since 2005? Seriously? He averages like, 3 INT's per Super Bowl appearance.
If you blame the coaches, then you are admitting that the coach is more important than the QB. If you blame a defense, then you are admitting that the defense has more to do with the outcome of the game than the QB. You can't have your arguments both ways. That said, a "Next Level," or, "Once in a Lifetime" QB, like Manning, can't have his years squandered to make way for an unproven college kid.
36 years old is 36 years old...you can't fake age or wear and tear on the body..
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for his teammates..for himself to know he still can before the end of the year..
..so we dont go 0-16
What happens if he plays and we lose...
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Your not getting the point. Pat has been doing his job better than anyone else on the team. To say something like that about the guy who is having a great year is kind of odd. Like IndyTrav said, it rubs people the wrong way
For just about any other GM I would agree, but Bill isn't any ole normal GM/Vice Chairmen. His weekly shows are always filled with "What did he just say" type of comments, the one directed to Pat this week is nothing new or shocking. It's Bill being Bill which usually rubs most people the wrong way.
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It hurts the legacy and in the case of the Lions has overshadowed the following years including this good one. They need to have several good years to really start erasing that year.
How has it "overshadowed" the Lions? What is overshadowing the Lions this year is their unsportsmanlike play of one certain defensive player and such. I have not heard 1 thing about their 0-16 season since...well their 0-16 season. Have they played in front of half empty stadiums? did they lose their chance to play on Thanksgiving day? Haven't they even been on in prime time? As for "legacy" 1 bad season doesn't spoil a decade of dominace...
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You say a fan supports the team no matter what, but that same fan is ridiculous when they complain about their team on track to having arguably the worst season in the history of professional sports???
What gives man???
I live in Southern CA & I rock my Frathis jersey everyweek to a raiders bar to watch games since I can't watch games at home...
Every Holiday season I go to games when I visit the folks
I am not over reacting by complaining on a message board, I am voicing my opinion that people need to be held accountable...
It's okay to complain...but there are those who feel this bad season will doom the franchise that it will bring blith to the franchise and how going 0-16 means we are in store for horribleness.....
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It's offical. I am offically rooting for an 0-16 season. If that is what it takes to fix this team I am 110% for it.
What leads you to believe that gonig 0-16 will "fix" this team?
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You know, I've wondered the same thing. Who goes to this extent defending Polian, unless they are actually employed by Polian? There is no defense of a team that can't win a game, and yet this guy continues to defend it. lol
that's because I am rational. I look at the big picture and not one season. I see where the franchise was pre Polian and where it went under his leadership. I also refuse to allow 1 bad season to be the sole basis to determine a teams/mag't abilities. I don't live and die off of 1 season, I support the team because of what they have shown me over the past decade and what I see as a bright future.
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i'll amuse him and answer his question with another question: How have super bowl wins benefited NFL teams?
Think about that for a little bit, apply it to your question, and you have the answer.
In the grand view SB wins are great and do boost "band wagon" fans for that team for a while, but overall I believe a team that provides a strong winning product year in and year out is what fans want, and while a SB is great, it's not the be all to end all in why fans support their team.
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What does any sport really matter???
Why do you post on an internet forum all day long???
Why can you not see the difference between a decline in win avg. and an entire winless season???
The 2011 Colts are going down in the books as one of the WORST teams in team sports history...
Does it matter in the grand scheme of things????
No, but you have spent a good portion of your time defending one of the worst teams in sports history, saying whats the big deal???
It matters to some people who actually support the team by buying the teams product...
i.e tickets
so because they have 1 bad season you are going to stop supporting them? I believe true fans of any sports team are fans no matter what the record of the team...
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Leave it to dn to ask why it's bad to go 0-16.
I asked because many here seem to think it's the end of the world, that NFL football as we know it will come to an end here in Indy and we will somehow be branded losers and stinkers and who knows what else. I would hope people would have more hope for this franchise and those running it given their track record to correct this one very bad season and return this franchise to the level it has been for the past decade and not be so down on the team and such.
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Its interseting that even though the player says.....YES
..the fan says no you cant play...
Could it be that some want Caldwell fired so badly they dont want a Manning-based victory to get in the way of that?
1. I don't believe any player has said Peyton is ready to play.
2. Coaches/Mag't determine who plays and when, not players
3. I doubt there is a Colt fan anywhere who doesn't want to see Peyton playing, but not in a game that means nothing and when he is physically not ready.
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Working out and throwing the ball IS practicing to play/.
He's not going to block or tackle anybody
Signs suggest he'll give it a try......that's all I'm saying.
If we're 0-15....dont bet you life he wont go../He's preparing to play...clearly
No he is rehabbing from an injury. IF he was preparing to play he would be taking snaps, running the offense and such. He is not doing that.
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..so Dr. Adam Shefter says he's throwing the ball even though doctors dont know if he's healed?
He's 'ramping up his throwing' even though doctors dont know if he's healed.
Think about what you're saying here.
I don't believe he is "healed". I believe the healing process is progressing but there is a HUGE difference in being "healed" and healing...
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Its a shame you just dont want..
You have to do everything you can to avoid it....
Even playing an old country boy who's been sidelined all year.
I guess I just don't see what shame there is after the season is over. Lets say we go 0-16, and next year bounce back to win enough games to make the playoffs and make a run in the playoffs...who will care or remember what happened this year?
Bill Polian Did Not Want To Hire Tony Dungy In 2002, Might Want Norv Turner In 2012
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Not that I am a Norv fan, but how is he worse the Caldwell?