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What if Luck is an average QB in this league and we gave up possibly the GOAT Qb's to get him? The only way I would think the team wins on this is if they get 3 #1's out of Manning and I just don't see that happening. Heck, BP gave away Faulk for a 2nd and 5th round pick in his PRIME. Be better off with a healthy Manning for the next 3-4 years than with a hopeful star in Luck IMHO.
And yes BigUgly, it is quite comical
There is risk in any player you draft. There is risk that if Peyton plays that one blind hit doesn't end his career on the spot. This is a game filled with risk.
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It is tricky and I am glad I don't have to decide. I would love nothing more than Manning to ride off into the sunset with another Super Bowl championship, i am not naive enough to think its likely at this point. Its not exactly a talent laden roster, especially on defense and teams like the Packers, Saints, Pats, etc aren't exactly going down either.
I think drafting Luck is a no brainier, then it comes down to if you keep Manning or not assuming he is healthy. What if someone is willing to trade you a top 5 pick for him? What if you could get Andrew Luck and Alshon Jeffrey?
The Colts don't owe Peyton anything, they have already paid him more money than any other player in NFL history has received. He was handsomely compensated for his time here and he does not owe the Colts anything either. He has earned his money thus far.
The thing people don't realize or don't seem to care about is that Mannings contract isn't for 2-3 years its for 5 more. Luck isn't sitting for 5 years and I wouldn't want him to, he probably wouldn't be sitting for 3 either. What is the difference between him leaving now or in 3 years when he has 2 year remaining and wants to keep playing? What do you do then? Trade him when his value is significantly lower? Cut him and get nothing?
Manning may and I stress may be the present but he is not the future and when Irsay has a billion dollar business to protect he does the best thing for his business, even if its crushing to us fans to see Manning either retired or in another uniform.
If the Colts take Luck and lets say Manning comes back is good to go and has a good/great season next year we could then trade either one of them in the following offseason and still get a good return....
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Manning & Luck on the same team is a waste of resources.
If Peyton was say in his late 20's or early 30's, 100% healthy and had a good number of years left I would agree, but we are looking at senior citizen (football wise) with a very serious health issue with very few seasons left. It is better to replace that type of player to soon then to late.
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Agreed, but to avoid mediocracy for the forseeable future the organization is going to have to make several brilliant decisions in this next year or so, and with the way things stand currently it should be obvious poor decisions have been made as of late...
Someone/some people need to be held accountable...
it seems that you feel that moving on, Peytons time has come...
I feel that moving on, Polian/Caldwells time has come...
Coaching we can agree to disagree on performance over the past few seasons. With the drafting of players I do believe Polian kinda got comfortable in leaning on Manning to much until this past draft. But we also have to look at the position the Colts have drafted in say the past 7-9 drafts. Over that time I doubt we ever drafted higher then say 25th maybe. Also Polian has always looked to add weapons for Peyton over drafting game changers on defense. I think the greatest of Manning allowed others to maybe not perform at their best and now it will be interesting to see if those people can find that magic again in the upcoming draft.
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True..Phily found out that Vince Young is not Michael Vick
..and up here we're still trying to figure out excatly what Caleb Hanie is...
Donavan McNabb's backup?
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Who'd you get?!? Was is it Davis?!? Maybe some Rojo action lol. Ahhhh taking me back! I miss my winning reds.
I have a 1990 WS bat, I got Davis, Sabo and billy hatcher....
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, surely you can't be serious. I dare someone to bite on lure! REDICULOUS POST.I am, there are those here who continue to slam him. So I ask, what are the responsibilites of a HC, because I wonder how many here actually know all that is involved and how the duties of the other coaches relate to what the HC does.
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It doesn't make the most sense, it just makes happy the people who see Rodgers instead of Luck as our draft pick.
If we are switching up defensive coaches and schemes next year, coupled with the massive amount of key free agent contracts looming, we have far greater priorities.
People are just looking at the great team Green Bay had before and after Rodgers and assuming the transition is that easy. Well, we don't have a good team (apparently), so it does us no good to rebuild our back up QB situation when that pick could be traded to make us a better all around team.
But as we see in this league, build a great team all you want, unless you have someone behind center who can lead that team and be productive...nothing else matters. Look at chicago this year, they were rolling and probably headed to the playoffs and now no QB and no hope. Look at Philly, went out got all this talent yet their QB can't stay healthy and play and they have 4 wins. You get your QB and then build around him.
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Going from a perennial powerhouse to dead last is disgraceful, you can not change my mind of that. I am not over reacting I am just supporting the belief that somebody/some people must be held accountable. I am of the believe that Polian has gotten "ALOT" of credit for two genius draft picks- Peyton over Leaf & Edge over Ricky "Burn One Down" Williams. Without Peyton Polian would not have had the success in Indy he has had, again my belief, you can not change that. Do you really think Jeff doesn't know he has been extremely lucky hiking the ball to 18 his whole career...
No question Peyton is the key to this franchise. No question it was probably the best pick Polian ever made and the colts franchise ever made. But there have been a ton of talent through this organization over the time Polian/Peyton have been here. Going 0-16 if we do is bad, no question, but I will gladly suffer through 1 0-16 season surrounded by winning years, playoff apperances and SB appearances over say 7-10 years of say .500 record or less which a number of NFL teams have gone through.
To me a disaster will happen if we go say .500 for the next 5-10 years each year...then that is a disaster to me....
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How was that DN? I thought long and hard about going but decided against it. I Did the caravan last yr and had a good time.
Packed, largest crowd ever. I haven't been to the last 4-5 so was interested to see it. Was able to get 3 key autographs from guys from the 90 WS team. Saw some real neat stuff and could have spent a ton. The stage activities were nice. I think something like this would go great in Indy and would go along way to helping fans coup with this season.
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This past weekend I traveled over to Cincy to attend the Cincinnati Reds annual Redsfest. It's a two day event that is all Reds. There are players there autographing, there are interactive activities for kids, there are memborilla dealers there, they have Fan interaction sessions and such over the two days. A number of ML baseball teams have these each off season. I was wondering wouldn't this be a good things for the Colts to do in say March or April here in Indy? I mean especially after this season to get the fans reconnected to the team and such. I wonder if any NFL team has done an event like this....
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Most here feel Jim Caldwell is a horrible head coach. Exactly what is the job of a HC on the pro level?
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Dungy-Caldwell...
Only one that matters, Dumb move...
It seemed weird Tressel was brought in 'just to be a game day consultant'
Polian has said in several interviews (I know you can't really believe a word he says) that continuity is the key to success, so that is why I am saying it would not seem "OUT OF THIS WORLD" if Tressel suddenly became HC if & when Caldwell is let go...
I don't even like the idea of sweater vest being the colts HC, but I would not be surprised...
I think it was a group decision. I think Tony felt he was ready also.
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Why doesn't it matter?
coaches move all the time, and as everyone has stated here all the time the only reason the Colts are any good is becuase of Peyton. I mean what did to "old" guys who never played one game that important, it was all Peyton.
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49ers vs. NE.....NE wins
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Given how Bill Polian likes to do things "HIS" way and how much I believe Jim Irsay feels he owes it to Peyton, I think that is what will happen....
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Holy crap, I dont care if Mel Kiper, Obama, Jesus, or anybody says he's played his last down. PM says he wants to come back and he's getting better and better. I care what PM himself says, not a bunch of critics/analysist saying he won't, b/c they don't know... not even Archie or Eli know, because they're not Peyton. I want to hear what PM says, and in my opinion, he still has gas left in the tank.
Until everything washes out, which won't be till after the draft we really don't know how Peyton will feel about playing next year. By that point he may know that while the desire is there, the body isn't or the franchise want's to move in a new direction. Right now the entire franchise and Peyton are in this very large holding pattern....
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There is not a bigger Manning fan on this forum, I really want him to stay, but I think we are further away than just sliding his helmet back on and Peyton knows it. Anybody that has watched our games this year knows it.
Had Peyton been 100% healthy what record did you see the colts with this season?
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Archie said 2 different things on Monday and Tuesday dn..
His latest statement is that they COULD play on the same team...
..and they will
I think what Archie said first is what he believes in his heart, what he second in follow up is Dad speak to not step on son's toes...
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Yes, but then they relized the HC was a bafoon, with a string in is back, so they got the heck out.
May have, or maybe they were not happy that they didn't get the HC job, or maybe they just wanted a change of scenery, we don't know why and it really doens't matter.
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Caldwell is a horrible coach. Hoping for Cowher, Fisher or Gruden.
While Caldwell may be gone, Zero chance of any of those 3 coming here, not Polians type of coach.
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Interesting that Zupe quit mid season this year, too.
Wasn't Zupe pretty much in the community work area with the Colts? did he take another job some where?
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Since Jim Caldwell took over.
Howard Mudd left.
Tom Moore left.
Bill Polian singlehandedly is drowning this organization.
If i was Peyton, i would re-join Tom Moore with Jets, win a few SBs and retire happy while Colts will be holding the honor of being the frst NFL team to go 0-16 on consecutive years.
Again big thanks to the Front office.
How long were both of those men with the Colts? I am willing to bet that they were here much longer then the avg coach spend with a franchise in the NFL.
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Yeah, that's it..
but if in the long run it's better to go with Luck over Manning. The odds of Peyton returning to the form he had in years past is not great, so while he may still be a very good QB, we are looking at maybe a couple seasons of that at best and at what cost? Why not go with Luck who will be cheaper and allow the Colts to look out for more talent?
, surely you can't be serious. I dare someone to bite on lure! REDICULOUS POST.
Mel Kiper Says Manning Has Played His Last Down With The Colts
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Deserves? Not at all, he is well paid, he deserves nothing else.