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Yeah, Tanneyhill isn't that far from the first two on film. If he ends up in Miami(same system and same coach), he might have the smoother transition to the NFL than the other two.
Scenario A was trading the pick and using them around 18.
On film, he shows a mediocre at best arm, pats the ball, and has trouble identifying receivers right as they get open.....resulting in him making his throws too late.
So yeah.....he's pretty far off.
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No thanks, he's a safety and we have Bethea, Zbikowski, Lefeged, Caldwell.
Should read: we have Bethea & Zbikowski......and that's it.
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I'm not disagreeing with that at all.
But the previous poster says "well Freeney has 20 more sacks"......you can't play that game unless you want to start mentioning what I mentioned above....bc sacks are easier to come by when your only job is to sack....
True. Where Suggs is put in position to accumulate alot of tackes, so is Freeney in regards to sacks. I don't even think you can really compare the two.
I will say that I have a hard time believing that Freeney will match Suggs' production when playing 3-4 lb this year. I don't think he'll even be very close. Suggs is a more complete player, no doubt.
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It's completely relevant to the topic we were discussing. How can you cite Dwight's sack #s as a counter point to his being better than Suggs, without taking into account what else Suggs had to do?
It's like saying I ran a 5min mile on a track, while you ran a 6min mile thru the Appalachian Mountains...sure my mile was faster, but yours was a lot harder....Sure Dwight's got 20 more sacks, but he has significantly less everything else.....
The two haven't even played the same position. Tackles and interceptions are MUCH easier to come by for a 3-4 lb than they are a 4-3 de.
Or, to use your example, we're comparing mile times where Freeney has to run with combat boots thru the appalachian mountains, whereas Suggs is wearing .5 oz Nike running shoes while running indoors.
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20 sacks you say? Let's just ignore the 7 more INT, 2 Tds, 31PD, and 276 more tackles. No big deal.
Dwight=ONLY job. Get to QB
Suggs= Do it all.
And Suggs is "only" 20 sacks away from Dwight in a season less. Sad really.
Tackles? What a completely irrelevant metric by which to compare the two. Freeney's job as a DE was to rush the passer & funnel tackles to the inside.
That's about as relevant as judging NT's by their sack #'s.
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He had his best season in 2009. Nick Holt also ran a zone defense. USC has always ran a zone defense. I mean, I don't remember the last DC that ran a man D at USC.
Yeah, Holt ran a zone d (as did Carroll, obviously).
I was making sure to tell the whole story. I'm kind of annoying that way.
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Thats why he was our defensive captain. because they usually pick the worst guy got it!! FOOLISH
Him being defensive captain means he's a good run defender? Got it!!
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You're right, that's my bad, but then I realize that he played under Rocky Seto, who also utilized a zone defense. So technically, I was right in the end. ;)
He only played under Rocky Seto for one season.....2009.
He played under Nick Holt from 2006-2008 (He missed the entire 2007 season due to injury)
Pete Carroll served as DC during Thomas' freshman season, when he played in 9 games.
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how many tackles did he get dropping 15 yard back, and giving up 1st downs... just saying
Not his fault that was he was instructed to do.
A tackle is a tackle.
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Im still not sold on Reitz he struggled mightily in pass protection as well as Castonzo
Agreed. I think McGlynn MIGHT possible edge out Reitz for that starting LG position.
Pure speculation on my part, obviously.
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Run defense is a function of the DTs holding off the OLs before they can get to the LBs so that the LBs and/or DBs can finish the plays. Your whole premise of blaming Brackett exclusively for the run D is short sighted. The LBs we let go - Clint Session, Cato June, Mike Peterson, David Thornton were all signed by other teams after they played out their rookie contract. Brackett could have gotten lesser money somewhere else, his 3rd contract was overpaying him for his age, I agree on the overpaying part but not the fact that would not be in demand anywhere. The same reason that Bob Sanders and our secondary was one of the top 5 injured secondaries in the league (because they had to play the run more because the DTs or even our DEs could not hold them at a stalemate for the LBs or DBs to come in and finish the plays) is the same reason our LBs could not stop the run, back to D-line. Blame Polian and the Dungy philosophy for the D-line before you blame Brackett exclusively for our run D. I was just as frustrated with it as you were. It was not like Clint Session did not take himself out of several plays as well by taking bad angles.
Ray Lewis had his numbers go down after his 2000 SB winning season only for it to pick up again once Ngata was drafted and groomed for the middle. Brian Urlacher has his issues on run D as well when the D-line of the Bears had issues.
Melvin Bullitt did play well in that 2009 season when he got the most playing time, he did so in the 2008 season too. Yes, he was not elite like Bob Sanders, by no means, but he was serviceable enough as a backup safety and was a very good ST player as well. He was played closer to the box in Coyer's first season too. These numbers prove that point. Under Ron Meeks' last year, he defensed more passes in 2008 (always felt Ron Meeks coached a better secondary than Coyer, expect the Chargers' secondary to improve this year since he is secondary coach):
http://www.pro-footb.../B/BullMe99.htm
He was in slight demand after the 2010 offseason, which is when we gave him that ill-advised contract (ill-advised mainly because they did not evaluate his injury history well enough, IMO).
Blair White - my basis for knowing he was contacted by a handful of teams when he went undrafted is this:
http://statenews.com...ianapolis_colts
I will give you this - Polian drafted players at Buffalo, at Carolina, and at Indianapolis to suit the system. So, yes, they were more valuable to our system than someone else's. But it does not mean that they were useless for any other system when they were in their prime.
Right now, we are treating Grigson's signings like they are the greatest things since sliced bread. I get it, we want a reason to get excited and want ammo for that. But at the same time, I am just asking people to hold their horses because a new toy (new for the Colts) is always to going shine bright before it loses its luster like any other used one and then becomes a run-of-the-mill one. We all were super excited and stoked when Donald Brown was drafted, flashing back a few years ago
.Believe me, i'm not blaming Brackett exclusively. There's plenty of blame to go around for our porous run defense, but Gary Brackett deserves just as much criticism as anyone else. It's his job as MLB to minimize the running yardage gained by opposing runningbacks once they get past the DL, and he simply wasn't effective at doing that. If you isolate the play of Gary Brackett, it's very clear that he is undersized & lacks the requisite strength & vision to be an effective one-on-one run defender. More often than not, he reacted late in identifying the direction at which a ballcarrier was running the ball, so that by the time he actually got to the ballcarrier, the ballcarrier was running at full steam, and Brackett, being undersized and lacking strength, allowed 5-7 more yards than he should have. When your undersized and understrenghted and you react late to plays, you are unable to utilize proper tackling technique.....leveling your shoulder, hitting the ball carrier around the middle & then wrapping up. This also happened to Gary Brackett quite often.
I'm sorry, but Gary Brackett, by any measure, is a poor run defender.
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Your right, I guess 3 less sacks, 15 less fumbles, 2 more TDs, 128more tackles, 67 more assists, and more All Pros in 37. Count em 37 less games would indicated these guys are pretty close.....roll eyes......the only thing Dwight is good at and Ware trails him by 3. In 37 less games....that alone speaks VOLUMES.....
Dwight has nightmares about Ware. He has a Ware blanket he sleeps with at night. When Dwight is in a sticky situation he asked himself. What Would Ware Do. When asked what he wants to be when he grows up he says Demarcus Wares pool boy.
Since Ware is 10x better than Freeney, why doesn't he have 10x as many sacks & forced fumbles as Freeney?
Again, nobody is arguing Freeney is better; we're pointing out how foolish you make yourself look with your overexaggerations.
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Sheeze....... Some folks on this board would complain about a scratch on a gold bar you just gave them......
This guy is probably not going to the hall of fame......
But .... We did improve our roster today
With a much needed large body.
Alot of them would have been happier if we had resigned Eric Foster or Daniel Muir.....lol
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YOUR WRONG, Both Brackett & Bullet played WELL helped get us to a Super Bowl & were in DEMAND as free agents when they where resigned Period.
lol.....you're funny.
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I disagree. You have to look at them when they were signed, not when they were let go.
- Brackett would have definitely found spots on other teams as a coverage LB when he was younger. Like Ray Lewis who needed Ngata to resurrect his career by clogging the middle letting him make plays, any MLB needs that D-line support up front, that was lacking for the most of Brackett's career. When he was able to roam when he was younger, he was a good MLB. Maybe not a great one but definitely a good one, IMO, that made plays.
- Other UDFAs - Melvin Bullitt, he stepped in pretty well for Bob Sanders till his shoulder issues started taking a toll.
- Not to mention, our best UDFA signing - Jeff Saturday.
- We do need to be reminded that Blair White was a UDFA as well and is an intelligent slot wideout for the rotation. Blair White had several other teams call him when they realized he was going undrafted and he chose us because we had No.18 at the helm.
- Dominic Rhodes was an invaluable UDFA.
So, let us not knock down Polian's UDFAs with a broad brush just because they had faded towards the end. They were let go because their skills had eroded but when they were drafted and their skills were good, they made more than ample plays I can recall. Just because Polian did not win more SBs, it does not mean we put the "Johnny come lately" Grigson on a pedestal. It is fair enough to ask for Grigson to be given a chance but let us not act like Polian did not put in enough pieces to keep the winning going. Polian did fade eventually but he did shine, at least till 2006, IMO.
People have such a short memory. Just because someone has a divorce, it is no reason to "trash" the ones involved in the previous relationship. That is how I see it.
I disagree. You have to look at them when they were signed, not when they were let go.
- Brackett would have definitely found spots on other teams as a coverage LB when he was younger. Like Ray Lewis who needed Ngata to resurrect his career by clogging the middle letting him make plays, any MLB needs that D-line support up front, that was lacking for the most of Brackett's career. When he was able to roam when he was younger, he was a good MLB. Maybe not a great one but definitely a good one, IMO, that made plays.
- Other UDFAs - Melvin Bullitt, he stepped in pretty well for Bob Sanders till his shoulder issues started taking a toll.
- Not to mention, our best UDFA signing - Jeff Saturday.
- We do need to be reminded that Blair White was a UDFA as well and is an intelligent slot wideout for the rotation. Blair White had several other teams call him when they realized he was going undrafted and he chose us because we had No.18 at the helm.
- Dominic Rhodes was an invaluable UDFA.
So, let us not knock down Polian's UDFAs with a broad brush just because they had faded towards the end. They were let go because their skills had eroded but when they were drafted and their skills were good, they made more than ample plays I can recall. Just because Polian did not win more SBs, it does not mean we put the "Johnny come lately" Grigson on a pedestal. It is fair enough to ask for Grigson to be given a chance but let us not act like Polian did not put in enough pieces to keep the winning going. Polian did fade eventually but he did shine, at least till 2006, IMO.
People have such a short memory. Just because someone has a divorce, it is no reason to "trash" the ones involved in the previous relationship. That is how I see it.
Totally disagree.
You don't know if Brackett, Bullitt and White would be in demand or not. I happen to think that Brackett was the worse run-defending MLB in the NFL over the last 5 years, whereas Melvin Bullitt was one of the worst coverage safety's in the league when he played. These 2 were intrical parts in what was consistently one of the worse defenses in the league. And the only reason Blair White even got any PT is because we were ravaged by injury at the WR position. The only reason he produced the little bit that he did was because Peyton Manning was throwing the ball to him. What we do know is that Brackett and Bullitt are available now, and there is no interest in them whatsoever by ANY NFL franchise.
You can cherrypick Saturday or Dominic Rhodes, but for every Jeff Saturday, i've got a Jeff Linkenbach, Gijon Robinson, Daniel Federkeil, Darrell Reid, Jamie Silva, David Caldwell.....the list is endless.
- Brackett would have definitely found spots on other teams as a coverage LB when he was younger. Like Ray Lewis who needed Ngata to resurrect his career by clogging the middle letting him make plays, any MLB needs that D-line support up front, that was lacking for the most of Brackett's career. When he was able to roam when he was younger, he was a good MLB. Maybe not a great one but definitely a good one, IMO, that made plays.
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The fact that you even compare Demarcus Ware to Dwight Freeney is laughable. Ware is 10x the player freeney ever was. Dwight's had 3 seasons of more than 12 sacks. With a player like Mathis on his opposite side. Wares only had 3 seasons when he didn't get 12 or more. (8rookie,11,11.5). Dwight dreams of being Ware.
The only thing laughable is your hyperbole. Ware is better, but not by nearly as much as you are making it out to be.
Ware has played 8 seasons, so for you to say he's "only" had 3 seasons where he's gotten less than 12 sacks is misleading. Statistically speaking, he's gotten less than 12 sacks 38% of the time, which is not nearly as infrequent as you are presenting it to be.
Sacks isn't the only metric to judge, either. How about forced fumbles? You are aware that Freeney holds a huge edge over Ware in causing fumbles, right?
Also, not sure that your Mathis reference holds much water, as Freeney recorded 13 sacks in 2002 without Mathis. If anything, having Mathis on the other side helped to lower Freeney's sack numbers.
Like I said, Ware is better, but don't act like he's in another galaxy as compared to Dwight Freeney, because he isn't.
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Fair enough.........I suppose we could bring in a bunch of UDFA's as well to give the coaching staff plenty of options at Corner as well as WR!
I could agree with that. Undoubtedly we need to bolster the cb position.....as well as WR. Like you, I think cb is in worse shape than WR right now, and I hope we spend 2 of our 2-5 rounders on cb's.
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Let us hope they all translate on the field. Donnie Avery has the speed but has not been available, so there are always question marks that can only be answered on the field. But for the most part, they are good steps in the right direction.
To me, Grigson's free agent signings are equivalent to Bill Polian's low cost UDFA signings from a cost perspective. I am hoping they work better than the UDFA signings. It is good to wait it out till the prices go down before bidding on a free agent D-lineman.
Yep....from a cost perspective, yes.
The difference, and why our overall roster will be in much better shape from here on out than it has been the last 3-4 years, is that Grigson is signing people that have actually played at the NFL level for other teams, whereas most of Polians UDFA's wouldn't have sniffed a roster spot on most of the other 31 teams in the league, let alone start.
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I agree with Casserly.. I still think we take a NT if available in rounds 3-5...if value is on the board. This is A NT..not THE NT for this team moving forward.
This exactly correct....and the right way to go about things.
McKinney is a rotation guy; this doesn't change the fact we need to draft a NT somewhere in the 3-5 range.
Yet another smart FA signing for Grigson.
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Ya I think he is the 2nd coming, 14 tackles in 6 years sounds awesome.
lol again
Alot of people in this thread clearly have no idea about the purpose of a NT.
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0 sacks
lol
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Who is he, is he good? Probably not
Why is he "probably not" good?
Playing NT for the Chargers, then the Ravens.....and then Grigson & Pagano, 2 intelligent NFL people, making a point to sign him as a free agent, i'd say he "probably is" good.
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Powers has ended on the IR the last two years and although I think Rucker and Thomas have potential, we have NOTHING behind those three. So bringing in 3 more CB's that we have control over for the next 4-6 years to groom makes perfect sense!
Ideally so. But we will draft a WR before we draft a 3rd corner. Luckily, with 10 picks, we can do both! I'm really only taking issue with the order in which you presented things.
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I think you may be right...........they have addressed (via free agency) certain holes on the roster already and the fact that they HAVE NOT signed a NT or CB tells me EXACTLY what we should expect from the draft with our 10 selections.
QB, probably 2 TE's, 3 CB's, 3 DL/NT's and 1 other pick spent on a skill position of some sort?
We'll draft a WR before we draft 3 CB's. We aren't THAT thin at CB.
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Yep.
Tannehill has been a quarterback for exactly 1.5 seasons. He's not in the same galaxy as Luck/Griffin.
Let this be the last time that is ever said, or in any way insinuated.