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He changed it from pedophile to the guy who enabled pedophiles. He may be a great guy but to me him saying that says a lot about his character.
Well, of course it's okay that you feel that way. Again, my point is still valid. Everyone messes up, it's what you do after the mess up that shows who you are.
Yeah, probably not the smartest thing for Pat to say, but he's not the only one who feels that way about Joe. In fact, I know quite a few people of good character who are some of the nicest people you will ever meet that have negative thoughts about Joe Pa, and sometimes they let those feelings known. Does that then make them horrible people of bad character? To me, no. See, whether we are decent, upstanding, all around good people, we still have times and moments where we don't do or say the nicest things. I guess, I would encourage you to not make a complete judgement about Pat's character by one comment he made on his Twitter account.
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Great read, thanks for sharing! Andrew has a quick wit that had me chuckling at times, and he's also smart. NIce of him to take the time to indulge Bob (and us for that matter) by answering
Like everyone else, it's nice to hear that Indy (and Indiana for that matter) isn't a celebrity crazed city (and state). As someone else said famous people are just people, they have a private life too. Shoot everyone ought to be able to make a trip to the grocery store in a peaceful fashion. Good job Indy!!
Andrew, get comfy cause you're gonna be here for a long time
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^^ and don't we all make mistakes and mess up from time to time? It's what we do after we mess up that shows what kind of person we are. Pat realized his and went about correcting it.
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That's more of what I mean by the media making up stuff. Perhaps I should say reporting made up stuff to appease to some. There has been no real evidence of this.
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Fun read, but I would have to take Romo and Vick off the list. Or move them to the bottom with Vick at 10 and Romo at 9 (and that's if I have to keep them on there at all). That being said, I completely agree that Matt Schaub is first and Alex Smith are 1 and 2--because they have the most complete teams if you ask me. I have been saying for two years now that Houston is going to win a SB very, very soon. They are not a team to be counted out.
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Here is a quote from Scott Fujita:
You couple that with some guys who occasionally throw in some money for big plays -- which I have admitted to doing
Read more: http://sportsillustr...l#ixzz1ypKQ3K8F
While he sees nothing wrong with offering up money on "big plays" (as he likes to call them), others (including Goodell) strongly disagree. And futhermore, I honestly don't care if it's "common practice." That excuse holds no water in my book. (See the below quote from Fujita)
I didn't think of that as a big deal. Is it against the rules? Technically, yeah, it's against the rules, but that's the way it was done when I was a young player and I'm not ashamed of that.
Read more: http://sportsillustr...l#ixzz1ypLsxWSw
To me the players are splitting hairs here. They are calling it "paying for performance." I guess if it helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and call it that, but fellas a spade is a spade. Doesn't make it right.
You say you need proof before you believe that this isn't all made up on Goodell and the league's part. What about the videos? Or the ledgers that were kept? What about the 18,000 documents that were reviewed? What about the fact that Sean Payton put out a statement at the beginning of all of this to say that he takes full responsibility of what has gone on...if there has been no bounty scheme, then what is he taking responsibility for? What about the $10,000 Vilma offered for "downing" Farve in the NFC Championship Game? What about Fujita himself admiting to 'paying for performance?" Really what more do you need?
Furthermore, Goodell extended punishment to these four players based on the findings of the investigation (which has been a lengthy one--it was not a quickie investigation. The league took it's time on this one). See Goodell's reasoning below:
Goodell said that while a large number of players took part in the program, he chose to suspend those players who "were in leadership positions at the Saints; contributed a particularly large sum of money toward the program; specifically contributed to a bounty on an opposing player; demonstrated a clear intent to participate in a program that potentially injured opposing players; sought rewards for doing so; and/or obstructed the 2010 investigation." The NFL determined that Vilma and Smith helped Williams start the bounty program.
People are focusing on the "were in leadership positions at the Saints" part of this statement and forgetting about the rest of it. The bolded part of the statement is the meat of it if you ask me.
To end my comment, players shouldn't need "incentives" such as paying each other to play this sport. They supposedly love it...apparently not enough since they have to offer each other money to play...kinda harsh on my part, but really? Paying each other for hits? That would be like me paying my coworkers for completing a project we were working on = unneccessary if you ask me. If they can't find the heart to play the game with integrity and with 100% of themselves, then they should step down b/c there are hundreds of other men that would love to be in their place.
To me, there is enough evidence, and I give kuddos to Goodell to sticking to his guns on this. The right thing is not always the popular thing, but as my daddy always said "if you don't stand up for what you believe in, you won't stand for anything."
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I love Pat McAfee. I think he's hilarious, entertaining, and one heck of punter (yes, with a little bit of work to do). The guy (IMO) does keep it real. I think he's being himself. Goofy, relaxed, and having a good time. He seems to enjoy life...oh if we all could just be that way, huh?
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One of my fav quotes from the article (other than Redding's "everything but the kitchen sink" comment):
“We’re football players. We don’t have any doubt that we can’t do this,” said Mathis. “(The Baltimore defense has) a lot of credibility. Their reputation speaks for itself. They know how to play some defensive football. We’re glad we stole a little of their personnel. We have them over here, and we’re eager to get it going. It’s a different vibe and a different attitude. As a defensive guy, you welcome that. We’re ready to get it going.” --Robert Mathis
This article also reiterates what Coach Pagano said when first asked about what type of D we would run. He said then (and Redding and others referred to it in this article) that sometimes we would run a 3-4, sometimes it would be a 4-3, and others it might be a hybrid. Remember, our motto is "Simple me, complex you."
So ready for an awesome D in Indy!
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I've been preaching this for several months now, and I'm certain we'll use Freeney as an end a good chunk of the time. However, I've charted two Ravens games so far, and in those two games, Suggs was standing up about 65% of the time. I've watched several other Ravens games, and that trend will probably hold throughout.
My concern with Freeney isn't really about his ability. It's about the fact that he'll have run support responsibilities a greater percentage of the time, and I wonder how that will affect his impact on the game overall.
The defense should look different....better is yet to be determined....our secondary could prove everyone right and not to be able stick to anyone...and Freeney and Mathis could look lost in the new scheme...we just have to see. We have some potential but potential doesn't win games. A lot of things have to come together and a lot of people have to play well for us to really be competitive...we don't have much room for error....we don't have 18 back there covering up our holes.
You both are quite right. This will definitely be different for Freeney, but I see it as only making him more effective. Don't get me wrong I love Dwight and I think he is a beast, but he has missed many tackles and big plays over the years because his main focus has been to get after the QB--which is effective some of the time AND gives us fans the sacks that we love to see. That said, how many yards have we given up on the run over the last 10 years? Too many to count. If our coaches had utilized him to his full ability would that yardage loss be different? Probably.
Dwight is talented, smart, a student of the game, and he knows how to keep his body in shape for play. He can learn this and seeing as how he seems to have "bought in" to the new D scheme, I expect to see him even more effective than we've ever seen him before.
Of course you are both right in still being skeptical seeing as how he (and Mathis) have yet to play in our new D. But again, I predict good things in our future. And I will go out on a limb that Mathis might even over shadow Dwight *gasp* yes, I said it.
And thank goodness for Freeney and Mathis that they finally have a D coach and HC that can allow them to excel even more.
Bottom line, we are going to finally have a D in Indy, which is something I have been longing for for years!
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Lots of good discussion on this thread, but I think everyone is missing one key thing. The assumption is being made that we will be solely a 3-4 D and nothing else. That's not what Pagano said. He said that we'd play 3-4 some, 4-3 some, and a hybrid of sorts at other times. Recently Dwight and Cory Redding said as much. See their quotes below:
“That definitely is a benefit to this type of scheme. It’s the element of surprise. Who’s coming, who’s not? Where’s he going to be? It’s going to be a lot different than I have (played),” said Freeney. “Sometimes I will be in the stance. Sometimes I will stand up. Sometimes I’m going to drop when I’ve been in the stance. Sometimes I’m going to be up (standing) and I’m going to drop. Other times I will rush. It’s going to be different, trying to keep everyone off (balance).” --Dwight Freeney
“I can’t even tell you what percentage of time we played the 3-4 as opposed to the 4-3. We may line up in the 4-3 and at the end of the day, it’ll be a 3-4 look. We might be in a 3-4, and by the time the ball is snapped, we might have moved into a 4-3,” said Redding. “The beautiful thing about this defense is its flexibility. … In Baltimore, we brought everything but the kitchen sink. Everything, though, starts with the ability to stop the run. You can’t do anything in this defense if you don’t stop the run. Whenever we play somebody, the first goal during the week is going to be, ‘Stop the run.’ Because once we get them into a passing situation, make them one-dimensional, the crowd better get ready because we’re coming.” --Cory Redding
To me, it's worth giving one of the best OLB in the league (and possibly ever) a chance. I expect DF to be better than ever, and we're gonna see Robert Mathis like we ain't ever seen him before. (Of course that is just my opinion.)
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In conclusion, if you are getting rid of Freeney to free up $, who are you going to get, or who are you going to resign that brings as much value as Freeney given the money you've set aside?
This to me is the key question that needs an answer. We can talk all day about the cap hit and the possibility of the 3-4 not being a good fit for Freeney, but if we trade him out who are we bringing in to replace him?
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I have some friendly advice for you. Stop caring what other people think of you, whether it be warranted or not. It makes life much more enjoyable.
Thanks for the advice. That is a motto for my life--to an extent, b/c I have to care what my superiors at work think of me and what those I manage think of me and what my family thinks of me...overall good philosophy but in my life cannot be an absolute one..
Quite honestly in this situation the part that really irritates me is the stupidity of the people posting those comments on the article. I can't help but think "Really? You can't come up with anything better or more intelligent to say?"
I shouldn't even read those comments, but sometimes I do because they usually provide me with a good laugh. Just hit me wrong yesterday is all.
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I disagree. But it's not really relevant. It was a long time ago. The Patriots were a really good team, with or without taping signals, and they deserved their championships. Bill Belichick is a phenomenal coach. Bob Kraft is one of the very best owners in sports. Unlike many, I don't dislike the Patriots.
But I do question why so many people preach about the Patriots doing things "the right way," as if they are the only good organization in the NFL. What's so wrong about the way the Colts ran their team, which resulted in a lot of wins? What's so wrong with the Steelers, who went to three Super Bowls in six years? What's wrong with the way the Packers are running their team, or the Giants? None of those teams have been penalized by the NFL for cheating, so it's ironic to me (and obviously, to others), when people say "the Patriots do things the right way," especially when denigrating the Colts or other good teams. And it's especially annoying when it comes from former Patriots who can't go fifteen minutes without bringing up the glory days.
And, by the way, I'm not a Spygate kind of guy. I don't really care about it. But I don't think it should be downplayed like you're trying to downplay it, and neither did the NFL.
I agree with you here Superman. Each team listed seems to know how to run things and produce the desired result--WINS.
I do think that (even though he gets on my nerves and I truly think he lacks proper sportsmanship) Bill Belichick is a great coach, and I do think the Patriots still would have won all their championships w/o the Spygate material. But, I do not want to get into the Spygate debate.
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Just to preface my comment, I have not ready any other comments made on this thread yet. I just got done reading the article and then some of the comments that were made on it...let me just say I am TICKED at said comments. We Colts fans (all of us) have been called fair weather fans, disloyal, stupid, etc b/c these tickets haven't sold. I get so darn irritated when other teams fans lump everyone of us together as "just Peyton Manning fans" or "crybabies." ARG! I want to hit something I'm so irritated! Sry, I had to vent a little.
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I agree CM51. Eldridge needs to show me something or get moved on down the road. He's a decent blocker, but needs to improve on everything else (IMO).
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I don't disagree but this is not positive news, it's just talking points.
I don't think so either, but since Pags has never been a HC and Grigs has never been a GM, we won't really know until about midway through the season.
Agreed. Time will tell just how good both of these men are. From what I've seen so far this offseason (who we let go, who we picked up in FA, how we handled the draft) I think both men show much promise and I am pleased. When the season is over we will see how effective they truly are and if they are good leaders.
And agreed, I didn't take this as positive news. Rather I look at it as more an update and the thoughts of these two men. Kind of a must do interview for them at this point since reporters for the team are looking for something to write about.
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And well they should Coffeedrinker. If my GM or HC was not saying positive things about our rookie class and our team I would be sorely disappointed, and a little more than upset.
That said, I don't think they (Grigs and Pags) have blinders on regarding what needs to be done to be successful.
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Personally, I'm not tired of "next man up." I think it refers to depth in our team--if someone gets injured and cannot play and you are the next man, it's your turn to do your job; therefore, to me this phrase is not stale. But, this is just opinions of course. Some are tired of it, some are still ok with it. But, talking about the "R" word is besides the point on this thread if you ask me.
What I glean from what Grigson said:
1) The rookies are doing well considering all the info tossed at them (although, if you listen to what Pags has said, he wanted to see what these guys would do with an over abundance of information--aka how they handle the stress of a pressure type situation).
2) FUNDAMENTALS are not overrated and our GM (and HC) realize this.
3) New coaching staff = new playbook and way of doing things. Plus Grigson likes what Pags and his staff are doing and how they coach.
4) If you want it (as a player), it's yours to get. The bar is set and if you want to play you have to exceed it. Pags is looking for depth in his roster and wants players that will go get it every day.
(As a side note o this one, I like Pags, do not like the word rebuild. To me we are building something here. Actually, if you asked me we never finished "building" even on our last roster b/c we had serious weaknesses in certain areas that should have been addressed. This year we lay the foundation for what is to come, and I think that is what Coach Pags is trying to get across.)
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%u201CRebuild? No, we%u2019re not talking about rebuild, ever.%u201D
This R word has gotten on my nerves ever since people (including Irsay) started using it. I look at this time as a transition into a new era. We aren't rebuilding anything, b/c that insinuates something was broken down or torn down. We have never been completely "built," so to me this is the next phase of our building process. I love that Pagano and veterans refuse to use the R word...
Just like Brent and the rest of you, I am STOKED to get the season going. This new phase excites and I can't wait to get on the field
Let's hunt boys!
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Look, Peyton was (and still is) a great leader. His style of leadership is bound to be different from Andrew's, Peyton is still the best QB to ever play the game, but I hope that Andrew can come close to his talent and ability.
Andrew seems to be a good kid, with a good head on his shoulders, he has smarts, and he seems to be a natural born leader. To top it off, he has been referred to as "a gym rat" which to me equals someone who loves the game and studies it so they can be the best they can be. <<<Similarity to Peyton
I am thankful for Peyton and what he did. He will never be forgotten and will always be a favorite (if not the favorite) in Colts nation. (Just as Johnny U has a special place in any Colts fan's heart). There are going to be differences, and I honestly think that is what the writer of the article was trying to convey. I'm not going to jump on the "oh he's bashing Peyton" wagon b/c I honestly don't think that was the intent.
Looking forward to how things progress until September, and can't wait to see our team get on the field and execute in a game!
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I didn't call anyione sub par. Interperet it any way you want. i started to argue back, but not looking for a suspension for doing so.
amff, my response was in general and not targeted towards you. If I wanted to actually respond to something you had said I would have quoted you. My response was that in general there is a misconception that FAs are sub par. Again, my response was not directed at or towards you.
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http://msn.foxsports...nts-made-050312
Payments were made, the above article talks about the evidence available. If the NFLPA and players want evidence, they will get it and if the evidence gets out, they will stand to lose more in the public eye. To me, Goodell is protecting them just enough from the public eye so that he can make his case for public safety in the midst of lawsuits prevalent against the NFL, and mitigate the effect on Saints players by punishing only 4.
Who wants to bet that Gregg Williams, in order to come clean, has ratted out a lot of specific details about the case in signed testimonies? I bet Gregg Williams is back in the league after 2 years.
I hope not!
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The main reason he fell in the Top 100 of the season was our record. Let's face it, the players vote more for players of the winningest teams. We went 2-14 so he didn't go any higher on the list.
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Sometimes, good people get put into bad situations. And sometimes they have to make the choice to do the right thing.
And sometimes, they pay the price for doing the right thing.
It happens and there are people who do the right thing and then there are people who do not see why they should have to
And they don't do the right thing.......and they blame someone else.
If the NFL is to accomplish it's goal of decreasing injury to players then everybody who played a part in this has to pay a price.
That's just part of making this thing right.
Robert is wrong, I'm sorry that he sees it as "just playing football'
But saying that you fear for your job........is just not a valid argument
Well said Maureen. Well said.
Pat McAfee rules!
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I completely agree with this^^^^^